Buleet said:
gaming king.please go back to the game-faqs forums if you are just going to get into fights like these and wont get that saying these things gets you probated.
on topic:this is not a surprise.
Uh, how do you know I use GameFAGs? Look, the thing I hate most about GameFAQs is that they don't let you say anything you want to say. You can't say ANYTHING politically incorrect, and I should hope that this forum, where I can go ahead and say this: "FUCK THE FUCKING FUCKERS," would be more mature than GameFAQs and realize, "Hey. Things are more fun when people don't worry about offending others." Hell, that's one of my favorite things about Yahtzee.
SeanTheSheep said:
I may not be the best source, considering here in England, a "fag" is a cigarette, but from what I've heard from various tales of Xbox live, the term "fag" is alive and doing well to accuse people of being gay in a negative light.
And the fact you didn't insult ayone on this board is for one: untrue, and second, irrelevant anyway.
Why is it untrue? Because there is a rather large LGBT community on the escapist, from what I've seen in threads about sexuality. Just look at the Escapist Gay-mers [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/view/The-Escapist-Gay-mers] group, totalling over 100 members, (Though I imagine that a fair amount of those are in support of the cause, rather than gay themselves) and by implying homosexuality as a negative trait, you insulted them.
Why is it irrelevant?
Because you shouldn't be offending people full stop.
If I were to make offensive comments about... Say sufferers of Asperger's Syndrome, I would get a probation at the very least, despite (To my knowledge) no sufferers of Asperger's on this forum. I still (Hypothetically) insulted them.
[sub]I'd rather leave this now, because I don't want to:
A) Feed the trolls, and
B) Derail the thread with a flame war.[/sub]
First of all, at least here in America, if you call someone "gay," it's just another word for "stupid." If you're actually insulting someone for being homosexual, you make sexual references. Well, I guess if you called someone who was openly and obviously gay a fag, then that would count as insulting them for being gay, but someone who is straight or whose sexual orientation is ambiguous, when called "gay" or "fag" is being called "stupid." It depends on who's saying it and who it's being said to. And I wouldn't use Xbox LIVE as a benchmark for anything. Those people are sick.
Okay, so you say there's a large "LGBT" community on here? Okay, fine. I'm not insulting any of them for being what they are. However, I don't accept the notion of "transsexuality." Sorry, but in my opinion, people who identify that way should accept that they were born with what they were born with. Nothing wrong with living as a very effeminate man or a very masculine woman. Hell, I'm pretty effeminate. Anyway, if you are a transsexual, and I have met one, I don't automatically dislikie you. I just think your perception of yourself is incorrect. Doesn't mean we can't be pals. And as for your notion of me saying homosexuality is a negative trait, I'm not. BUT, let's say I was, for the sake of this excellent discussion. I still wouldn't be insulting any homosexuals. If they want to FEEL insulted, that's on them. But so what if I were to say homosexuality is a negative trait? Doesn't mean I HATE homosexuals. Just means I think heterosexuality is a better lifestyle. Understand what I mean? To give an example to support this hypothetical viewpoint, I can say that only a male and female can reproduce together. Besides, thinking homosexuality is a negative trait is an opinion that one is entitled to. However, I don't think people have the right to hate someone based upon being homosexual, bisexual, "transsexual," paedosexual, or what have you. For all you know, that gay guy you think you hate so much might be a really stand-up, moral dude who has never done it with a guy in his life. And paedosexuals for the most part NEVER do anything to children. That brings me to your next point.
How excellent for me that you mention Asperger's Syndrome. I DO have that. I all but denied the disorder's existence, actually, until it started getting in the way of my aspirations. Guess what? What my case boils down to is that I piss people off without realizing why. Like whoever the hell reported my post! Like the people I was volunteering with at a martial arts place! The latter has probably cost me a lot of gawddamn money by now. I haven't even been there in about a month and a half since a little girl started giving me problems, which lead to a sensei showing me some rather shocking disrespect, which led to it coming out that I apparently pissed off a lot of people, including the parents, who never said a GAWD DAMN WORD TO ME. So over at that place, I suffered some major sexism, and possibly autistic spectrum discrimination, which my mom taught me about sometime around the incident with the sensei that made me leave. Asperger's probably also wrecked what I was trying to do with my school before that. That same school has contacted my much more successful YOUNGER brother to mooch off his art. He doesn't go there anymore. So now I have to deal with this martial arts place AND this school run by a stinking jerk. If I can work something out and end up back at the martial arts place, I'll probably miss what was to be a very important belt test to me that would put me in the upper Kyu ranks. Thank GOD that the new martial arts place I've joined is run by such a nice guy who, completely opposite the other place, WANTED me to come in and help with kids' classes instead of doing what the other place did, which was start to discourage me from it. Ironically, I was the best teacher in the joint. But nobody knew that because they didn't bother to communicate with me. All they saw were my little social flaws brought on by a very mild autistic spectrum disorder and it apparently really annoyed them. Idiots.
Now, back to the paedosexuality point I touched on earlier, aside from real, tangible discrimination and/or misunderstanding based on my age, gender, and condition, I've been discriminated against for something that I don't even have. People on the Assholenet love to call me a "pedo." Guess what? I'm not. I guess this really goes back to sexism, though. Since I'm a guy and I like children, that's what people say. Hell, it's extended to my in-person life a little bit, too, even. At the school I mentioned, in my last year, people started making jokes like I was a paedophile or something. One time, in a discussion with some of the Middle School kids there, as they kept trying to figure me out (I'm asexual, and they just kinda refused to buy it), when the topic of adoption came up, I said it was harder for a single person to do that, and one of the boys said, "Oh, yeah, because they might think you're like a child molester or something," and a friggen 12-year-old girl goes under her breath, "He probably is." And I was like, "What did you just say?" "You probably are." And then I was just like, ugh, that's really mean. More recently, where I'm at now, last year, two dudes I talked to frequently insisted I was "a lolicon." (If you don't know, that's basically the Japanese slang for a paedosexual.) And I had to just keep on sayin', "I love little girls, but I don't want to [insert sexual reference here] them." And even more recently, one of my best friends has acted jokingly suspicious of me, but he believes me when I say I don't want to [insert sexual reference here] little girls. Oh, and the taunts issued me by the little girl at the martial arts place? Based on her being a little b--MUST... RESIST... URGE... TO... BE... MEAN--and suggesting, probably jokingly (BETTER have been), that I was trying to look at her flat-ass 10-year-old chest. I mean, REALLY? If I wanted to check some pancakes, I'd go to IHOP.
So bottom line is, I'm no stranger to people saying INCREDIBLY offensive things about me, to me, etc. But I'm a big boy and I can take it. So should the gays and whoever else has a problem with something I say.
If you don't like something I say, just challenge me on it and we can even have a nice little debate if you like. Or you can just tell me, "You're a fag," and go do something else, and that would be fine by me.