No, apparently it isn't. We're all whiners who want to make the devs work extra hard for nothing. Haven't you kept up with the conversation?RedEyesBlackGamer said:
Brink : No Girls Allowed
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Privilege strikes again. As a male, you don't have to ever worry about game companies not catering to you. If you're also white, that's even more social privilege in your favor. The thing about privilege is it's usually invisible and taken for granted by those who have it.Ridgemo said:
So please think for a moment and reflect on what you have before calling other people pathetic for simply wanting to be heard and treated alike and voting with their dollars if they aren't.
Allow me to apologise for being a white English male.Anarien said:
This whole female thing really is a non-issue. There would be an issue if the gun's didn't fire. There would be an issue if glitches and bugs are in the game.
It's simply ridiculous that this can cause such a massive thread of complaints. Now obviously, because i'm a privliged white English male, such a silly thought never crossed my mind. All i ever thought was about how fun the game looked, but actually i should have been grabbing my pitchforks and torches and marching for the injustice that this is doing to female-kind all over the world!
Next time i will obviously look for the first thing to get riled up about!
If the game is trying to have a bit of a "civil war under apartheid" (in which you generally do not see a lot of female combatants) theme going then I would rather it stick to that theme than break it for the sake of political correctness. If you really feel raw about it then dress up so you cant see hair or curvature and pretend to be a lady.
Stab nr. 2.
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People will -always- whine about something or other. If the situation was in reverse(i.e default = female), we'd be in the exact same spot. Reiteration: people will always whine about something or other.
And yes, this quite frankly is whining if you declare you won't play a game because of one or a few features being absent/wonky/present, even though the rest of the game is as solid as a diamond(example: Psychonauts) and in truth you might actually enjoy the damn thing if you stopped being such a self-entitled brat.
Hell, I didn't think I'd enjoy Syberia since I wasn't too into adventure games at the time(I tended to avoid them), but ohmygod, I gave it a try and lurv'd it. Syberia. /heartsign;
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As for Brink - I applaud Splash Damages decision to focus within their limited timespace. Take into consideration that their movement system, while nothing completely new in concept, did obviously take a large chunk of their development time to implement properly + getting the framework for their character customization in(I've been following Brink for years now and it has changed a fair deal since I first found out about it...obviously). I refer you to STALKER, again. Namely Shadow of Chernobyl. It got lucky since their publisher let them delay the game a lot, but they did leave several things out because it just took them too long to work on the A.I and then bring the graphics engine up to date.
One of my points is that there's games that try to do a lot and the gameplay and/or story ends up being pretty mediocre(or just bad). It's a new feature + quantity/quality argument here, not to mention a market based choice since let's face it, the truth of the matter is that male gamers do outnumber female ones currently and a company will in most cases take the safe option. Sure, this male-female ratio is changing and will change more as time goes, but there's an saying: old habits die hard. It will take time for things to adapt and as technology gets more advanced, things will become easier and quicker to implement(I hope, at least).
I guess what I'm trying to say is through this long, long, long, long, long series of sentences is give it a chance and hopefully let it surprise you. Don't deny yourself a possibility of a great experience because you're dissatisfied with a single or some features. I suggest you just find a friend who has it and play it via them(unless it gets a demo). If you like it, great! If you don't, then nothing was lost. You're only slapping yourself in the face by turning your nose up and huffing at the product.
NOTE: The above does not apply to jumping into a bag of poo, hoping it's instead a bag of half-molten chocolate.
/*If you are easily offended by criticism, ignore this block of text*/
People will -always- whine about something or other. If the situation was in reverse(i.e default = female), we'd be in the exact same spot. Reiteration: people will always whine about something or other.
And yes, this quite frankly is whining if you declare you won't play a game because of one or a few features being absent/wonky/present, even though the rest of the game is as solid as a diamond(example: Psychonauts) and in truth you might actually enjoy the damn thing if you stopped being such a self-entitled brat.
Hell, I didn't think I'd enjoy Syberia since I wasn't too into adventure games at the time(I tended to avoid them), but ohmygod, I gave it a try and lurv'd it. Syberia. /heartsign;
/*You can read the next block of text.*/
As for Brink - I applaud Splash Damages decision to focus within their limited timespace. Take into consideration that their movement system, while nothing completely new in concept, did obviously take a large chunk of their development time to implement properly + getting the framework for their character customization in(I've been following Brink for years now and it has changed a fair deal since I first found out about it...obviously). I refer you to STALKER, again. Namely Shadow of Chernobyl. It got lucky since their publisher let them delay the game a lot, but they did leave several things out because it just took them too long to work on the A.I and then bring the graphics engine up to date.
One of my points is that there's games that try to do a lot and the gameplay and/or story ends up being pretty mediocre(or just bad). It's a new feature + quantity/quality argument here, not to mention a market based choice since let's face it, the truth of the matter is that male gamers do outnumber female ones currently and a company will in most cases take the safe option. Sure, this male-female ratio is changing and will change more as time goes, but there's an saying: old habits die hard. It will take time for things to adapt and as technology gets more advanced, things will become easier and quicker to implement(I hope, at least).
I guess what I'm trying to say is through this long, long, long, long, long series of sentences is give it a chance and hopefully let it surprise you. Don't deny yourself a possibility of a great experience because you're dissatisfied with a single or some features. I suggest you just find a friend who has it and play it via them(unless it gets a demo). If you like it, great! If you don't, then nothing was lost. You're only slapping yourself in the face by turning your nose up and huffing at the product.
NOTE: The above does not apply to jumping into a bag of poo, hoping it's instead a bag of half-molten chocolate.
I don't complain when I have to play as a female in Lara Croft because the game is designed around her. Likewise, Brink is designed around male characters, its just the way it was designed.RedEyesBlackGamer said:
But this is not a RPG.......Duskflamer said:
With the ability to take your character from single player to multiplayer any time you want. I think the story of the single player had a hand in this decision. As well as the different body types. A female heavy? No thank you. Looks like a good game with a lot of innovation. Why can't people wait until after the game comes out to criticize it?
I think the issue he's trying poorly to describe (from an aesthetic standpoint, at least), is exactly how exaggerated the male models are. Becca Swanson (there's a YouTube video near the top of Google results for "female deadlifter" of her) is probably a medium by that scale, because of how exaggerated the musculature already is on the male models. Without intentionally oversexualizing the model, it would probably be difficult to tell a male heavy and a female heavy apart.Duskflamer said:
Wasn't exactly that the reason why City of Heroes had 3 genders (Male, Female, and Heavy)?
I find it funny that because Brink offers a deep amount of customization, people are complaining about how it isn't quite enough. I guarantee you that if the customization options were Generic Beefcake 1 or 2, no one would have any problems with the fact that there aren't any female characters. I feel like this is just entitlement.
Women fight more in civil wars than any other type of conflict, hence the "civil" part, it is WITHIN the civilian population, not a select of the strongest and most willing (usually young males) sent to fight in some distant field. Anyone who can pick up a rifle is a combatant, and unless this is somehow a society without women then they should be highly represented. That's not "political correctness" that's fact.Spencer Petersen said:
I mean it's not like previous Splash Damage games that had the premise of fighting in distant battlefields where only professional soldiers (who are predominantly male) enter to fight. This is within a planned civilisation on "the brink".
It's a contrivance to have no women in Brink.
Call me crazy but AS A MALE I want some women invited to the party. And I wouldn't call you a "dick" to not mind the complete lack of any women around but I would question your priorities.Hazy said:Welp, I'm a male, so this really doesn't affect me. Not trying to sound like a dick, just being honest.
What does affect me, however, will be wiping out the sub-human resistance scum that will try their hardest to run my Ark into the ground.
Stay strong. Stay proud. Stay security.
Fight the good fight.
As great as it is having a load of sweaty muscle men in sleeveless vests for company, I'd WOULD CARE if some women could be around as well.
Is it though? Does Brink even have characters? Is there an in-story reason why there are no females in the city?Spencer Petersen said:
It's a completely different situation to Tomb Raider, where you are playing a specific character.
Um, dude, Gothic isn't about customising your character - in the first three games you're The Nameless Hero (or more accurately "My name's-" "I'm not interested...") and I'm fairly certain the fourth one is based around a completely different nameless guy.Aris Khandr said:
Might as well be Half-Life, or Dragon Age II. You're a pretty specific character, he's just missing the name.
EDIT: More to the point, at least in the first three you don't get to customise your character, he has a set face, voice actor and even personality. What you choose in Gothic is your actions - how and whether to fight, steal or negociate.
Wow I'm so sick of hearing about this privilege bullshit. I doubt many guys would be complaining over a game where you had to play as a girl.Anarien said:
You hear this most from feminists who shamelessly play the victim card everytime there's something that doesn't go their way.
You guys realize that it is much more than just changing character models right? If they were to add female characters in the games they would also need to add in a whole slew of new customizations as well. Almost none of the hair styles would work with a female model, so they would need a whole new set of those, every single one of the outfits would need to be remodeled. On top of that they would need to add in a set of new faces for the females, and faces take a lot of time to model and animate. On top of that all they need a set of new voice actors to go over every line in the game uttered by a player character. All of this takes time, and in the case of a developer, time costs a huge amount of money.
The company obviously wanted to get the game out on time. If they had decided to add in female characters and the game was delayed by 3-5 months would you be happy then? Would you accept it if they came out and said, 'Sorry guys the game wont be out till late 3rd quarter because we decided to add in female characters.'
Use your brains and realize that the decision not to add female character models was done for economic reasons and was not due to laziness...
The company obviously wanted to get the game out on time. If they had decided to add in female characters and the game was delayed by 3-5 months would you be happy then? Would you accept it if they came out and said, 'Sorry guys the game wont be out till late 3rd quarter because we decided to add in female characters.'
Use your brains and realize that the decision not to add female character models was done for economic reasons and was not due to laziness...
This isn't some crazy game breaking thing which ruins the game we're talking about, which the defenders seem to believe their strawman to be saying. It's less about the game itself, and more the trend it's steadfastly following, which at this stage is pretty silly.
The issue here I see, is the game touts extensive customisation as a selling point, that you can make the character you want. Well guess what, not representing half the population of planet earth isn't off to a great start. They said adding female characters would mean less customisation in other areas. So? Limited customisation with female models is far better than none at all, since female models are pretty distinct from males for bloody obvious reasons. The trend here is ignoring female players, as if women aren't important enough to cater for in the most basic way. For the male players, they make sure you have that hairstyle just right or some wrist band, which is much more important than giving anything to the female populace apparently.
The issue here I see, is the game touts extensive customisation as a selling point, that you can make the character you want. Well guess what, not representing half the population of planet earth isn't off to a great start. They said adding female characters would mean less customisation in other areas. So? Limited customisation with female models is far better than none at all, since female models are pretty distinct from males for bloody obvious reasons. The trend here is ignoring female players, as if women aren't important enough to cater for in the most basic way. For the male players, they make sure you have that hairstyle just right or some wrist band, which is much more important than giving anything to the female populace apparently.
As true as this may be, it is still a shame that the option isn't there. I know it isn't a huge deal but I do think that every potential lost sale due to this (even if it's a small amount) is unfortunate.Judgedread said:
Overall though, you are correct and it isn't worth getting overly worked up over.