Brink : No Girls Allowed

[distended]

With the 4 Quadzillion costumization options they had. If they added females they would have to either make 8 in total. Or split the content. Would rather have more costumization for my male avatar. Btw, why did nobody cry like this when TF2 came out?

Because gamers' unwarranted sense of entitlement is growing exponentially. Back when TF2 came out, the collective sense of entitlement was around a "I want so much from a game that half of it is contradictory," whereas today's level of entitlement can be summarized by a big fat turd.

 

[Farseer Lolotea]

Topic has been discussed to death in the Brink forums, and answered in the developer commentaries. While it may be a glaring omission I'd suggest reading/listen to their reasons before the disappointment becomes anger.

I can't speak for anyone else, but their excuses are part of why I'm miffed.

With the 4 Quadzillion costumization options they had. If they added females they would have to either make 8 in total. Or split the content. Would rather have more costumization for my male avatar.

Wow. Just...wow. It's better that they left out female characters (which should have been planned for from day one) than male characters get fewer of their quadrillions of outfits?

There are no words, really.

Btw, why did nobody cry like this when TF2 came out?

So who's crying? My eyes are perfectly dry.

And TF2 is based around a team of specific characters. Apples and oranges.

Because gamers' unwarranted sense of entitlement is growing exponentially.

Oh, so wanting something that should be absolutely basic in a game that's marketed on its customization is "unwarranted entitlement" now. Gotcha.

I love derailment bingo, really.

 

[Jonathan Bradford]

Ah well at least you've read them, a lot of people don't care enough to find out why things like this are not included.

I would love for there to be female character DLC, but I fear that it will be something they tackle in their next release rather than this one.

 

[AlexNora]

Its not like this game is any good anyway it got a 6 on IGN, so if your looking for a good FPS that doesn't ignore the existence of females I'd recommend Halo Reach.

"Id love to play anyone on the escapist so pm if you'd like"

mind you I'm not that good XD

Reach? Seriously? How, besides your emblem, are females represented? Most FPS just leave sex alone in the multiplayer spectrum, it has been an issue for some time.

I use IGN for when I want a video review, but The Escapist is of far higher calibre; I am surprised to find someone who believes IGN's ratings here.

good heavens are you even a gamer please Google "Halo Reach Female" and maybe if your not to proud you will learn that you can pick your gender in Halo Reach and it does make you look as feminine as a girl wearing armor can look.

IGN isn't bad how stupid, sure its not the best but I read the article, witch seems very level headed, and form what I could see the game lacks the depth to hold your attention and lets face it if the game has no replay value its not worth buying

 

[ChillinMargrave]

Hmm, after reflecting on this I've come to terms with the fact that, I wouldn't play a game if there wasn't a male option for the class I'd like to play, so I can see your reason. So, with no reason to dissuade you I suppose I'll say:

Would women consider purchasing the game for the game mechanics, whilst being very loud about wanting equal customization for women on the forums to a degree I hope could not be ignored. That would give them money, you a game to play and hopefully the content you want free of charge. It's a naive idea, but there you have it.

Boycotting it could be equally effective, and not as expensive.

 

[distended]

Oh, so wanting something that should be absolutely basic in a game that's marketed on its customization is "unwarranted entitlement" now. Gotcha.

Darn your unflagging logic! I can't relate to caring about something like this, but yeah, I guess you're right.

 

[Chibz]

If you fundamentally disagree with their decision, then I guess they lost your business, but I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that they probably never had it in the first place.

I'm going to just here and say that I, prior to hearing of this decision, wanted to buy the game. Won't now because of it. Real shame, but still. Half-assing a selling point isn't something I can condone.

 

[Jonathan Bradford]

Its not like this game is any good anyway it got a 6 on IGN, so if your looking for a good FPS that doesn't ignore the existence of females I'd recommend Halo Reach.

"Id love to play anyone on the escapist so pm if you'd like"

mind you I'm not that good XD

Reach? Seriously? How, besides your emblem, are females represented? Most FPS just leave sex alone in the multiplayer spectrum, it has been an issue for some time.

I use IGN for when I want a video review, but The Escapist is of far higher calibre; I am surprised to find someone who believes IGN's ratings here.

good heavens are you even a gamer please Google "Halo Reach Female" and maybe if your not to proud you will learn that you can pick your gender in Halo Reach and it does make you look as feminine as a girl wearing armor can look.

IGN isn't bad how stupid, sure its not the best but I read the article, witch seems very level headed, and form what I could see the game lacks the depth to hold your attention and lets face it if the game has no replay value its not worth buying

I don't feel that adding curves to a faceless automaton adds anymore than a semblance of "female" to a character, but since we cannot have helmet-less Spartans my feelings are moot on this point anyway. I will say that the inclusion of a female option to select was probably to appease the masses, not out of any desire to create equality or even choice in a multiplayer setting.

Secondly I still hold that IGN, while it can be level headed, is not an extremely reliable place for gather game information. A large amount of user comments on various articles show that even IGN's followers/fan base feels similarly (or at least has issues with their journalism).

Finally I'd like to point out that, being a multiplayer focused game, it is very hard to lack replay value. If generic games of both past and present have taught us anything it is that people are strangely attracted to achievements and leveling, something that Brink has in abundance. Being so focused I also find it strange that IGN has a review up, as the game has not been out long enough for a full evaluation of its "flavor" if you will. I would have been more appeased if they added the comment about seeing how the community formed around the online play as they did in the video review of Crysis 2, sadly they did not.

 

[Feylynn]

So the big thing here is customization doesn't matter.

I'm now going to back that up by saying customization is very important to me BUT... You will never have customization worth mentioning in an fps like game, so really what you need to do is settle for your 3 presets and fall back on Male/Female option with some quality to your few choices to keep me happy.

The second you shelf female character option you have about 10 seconds to literally awe me to the point of bleeding. To clarify how much that is: All Points Bulletin + Champions Online + Modding support.

Keep the female option and I'll let you off with Dragon Age or Oblivion as long as you are better than Fallout.

 

[Farseer Lolotea]

Ah well at least you've read them, a lot of people don't care enough to find out why things like this are not included.

On the one hand, I wouldn't be surprised if that were true. On the other, a lot of people have cited Splash Damage's excuse in this thread-?either in an attempt to defend it, or to point out exactly how bogus it is.

Because the reason they gave was essentially that including less than 102 quadrillion options for male characters would make customization "shallow," but excluding female characters altogether wouldn't.

Oh, and there was also an excuse (later on) about how female characters are too difficult to model and animate, or some such garbage.

 

[Cheesebob]

I'd rather have a good game than females in it.

 

[Farseer Lolotea]

I'd rather have a good game than females in it.

Because the two are totally mutually exclusive, right?

 

[Jonathan Bradford]

Ah well at least you've read them, a lot of people don't care enough to find out why things like this are not included.

On the one hand, I wouldn't be surprised if that were true. On the other, a lot of people have cited Splash Damage's excuse in this thread?either in an attempt to defend it, or to point out exactly how bogus it is.

Because the reason they gave was essentially that including less than 102 quadrillion options for male characters would make customization "shallow," but excluding female characters altogether wouldn't.

Oh, and there was an excuse later on about how female characters are too difficult to model and animate, or some such garbage.

I really would like to see female characters in the game, I'd imagine the Skinny being quicker when played as a female and such - provide differences between the sexes and whatnot. I suppose you could say that, while it is annoying that they are not included, I am more apathetic now due to the game being released.

 

[Feylynn]

With the 4 Quadzillion costumization options they had. If they added females they would have to either make 8 in total. Or split the content. Would rather have more costumization for my male avatar. Btw, why did nobody cry like this when TF2 came out?

Because gamers' unwarranted sense of entitlement is growing exponentially. Back when TF2 came out, the collective sense of entitlement was around a "I want so much from a game that half of it is contradictory," whereas today's level of entitlement can be summarized by a big fat turd.

I did whine about TF2 so nyeh.
But the difference here is TF2 doesn't have customization, it gives you distinctive preset characters and says go blow people up.

If you claim to have customization and are just literally making the sentence up on the spot because you left out 50% of the options then some people are going to be unhappy.
Whether or not you had good reason for excluding them isn't the point.
The point is that: "If you don't include a feature people value, those people will be upset."

It's very simple math... Make people unhappy = listen to unhappy people.
End point.

 

[Chibz]

I really would like to see female characters in the game, I'd imagine the Skinny being quicker when played as a female and such - provide differences between the sexes and whatnot. I suppose you could say that, while it is annoying that they are not included, I am more apathetic now due to the game being released.

That's the thing. We, as gamers, shouldn't be excusing companies for things like that. Sigh...

 

[Farseer Lolotea]

I really would like to see female characters in the game, I'd imagine the Skinny being quicker when played as a female and such - provide differences between the sexes and whatnot. I suppose you could say that, while it is annoying that they are not included, I am more apathetic now due to the game being released.

There are rumors that they want to release female characters as DLC at some later date. But if I'm on the fence about a game, any number of things can tip me either way.

In this case, it's really a matter of principle: It's bogus that an entire gender was a non-priority for some misbegotten reason (again, I'd feel the same way if the game was all-female), and their excuses for it strike me as kind of condescending. (I could be a lot more cynical about it, but I'll refrain.)

That's the thing. We, as gamers, shouldn't be excusing companies for things like that. Sigh...

Bingo.

 

[Jonathan Bradford]

That's the thing. We, as gamers, shouldn't be excusing companies for things like that. Sigh...

This is one of the things that I have come to expect from The Escapist, and I have to say that I love it.

I feel though that nothing will change until gamers, as a fairly large front, decide to be heard. Organising and orchestrating such a thing makes it seem relatively impossible, eventually someone will help make it happen.

Many FPS's lack female characters, it needs to be a change/movement across the board.

 

[AlexNora]

Its not like this game is any good anyway it got a 6 on IGN, so if your looking for a good FPS that doesn't ignore the existence of females I'd recommend Halo Reach.

"Id love to play anyone on the escapist so pm if you'd like"

mind you I'm not that good XD

Reach? Seriously? How, besides your emblem, are females represented? Most FPS just leave sex alone in the multiplayer spectrum, it has been an issue for some time.

I use IGN for when I want a video review, but The Escapist is of far higher calibre; I am surprised to find someone who believes IGN's ratings here.

good heavens are you even a gamer please Google "Halo Reach Female" and maybe if your not to proud you will learn that you can pick your gender in Halo Reach and it does make you look as feminine as a girl wearing armor can look.

IGN isn't bad how stupid, sure its not the best but I read the article, witch seems very level headed, and form what I could see the game lacks the depth to hold your attention and lets face it if the game has no replay value its not worth buying

I don't feel that adding curves to a faceless automaton adds anymore than a semblance of "female" to a character, but since we cannot have helmet-less Spartans my feelings are moot on this point anyway. I will say that the inclusion of a female option to select was probably to appease the masses, not out of any desire to create equality or even choice in a multiplayer setting.

Secondly I still hold that IGN, while it can be level headed, is not an extremely reliable place for gather game information. A large amount of user comments on various articles show that even IGN's followers/fan base feels similarly (or at least has issues with their journalism).

Finally I'd like to point out that, being a multiplayer focused game, it is very hard to lack replay value. If generic games of both past and present have taught us anything it is that people are strangely attracted to achievements and leveling, something that Brink has in abundance. Being so focused I also find it strange that IGN has a review up, as the game has not been out long enough for a full evaluation of its "flavor" if you will. I would have been more appeased if they added the comment about seeing how the community formed around the online play as they did in the video review of Crysis 2, sadly they did not.

well the game only goes to lv 20 from what I read, and if my addiction to Ragnarok is any prof for my love of lving ill be done with that in a few days. Then what? if the game is as stale as it sounds in the review theres no way id consider buying it, though I must admit the idea behind the game play sounds good but some of it kinda reminded me of more complicated armour abilities.

its not hard for a game thats multiplayer to lack replay value if the game mechanics are already no good.

 

[lostleader]

(ya other than the first and last page I didnt read anything in this thread)

Really do hate that this can be "gotten away with" when it really shouldn't. Are we going to have a women's right movement for video games? history repeating itself?

Customization shouldn't really be a selling point of the game, the devs had enough time to make female models and create a shallower custom pool, instead of a massively unneeded one. you know, keep it simple stupid. Customization is great but it can be overwhelming and off putting as well. Why not just release some of the other customizations later, you know actually use DLC for what its meant for.

 

[Farseer Lolotea]

This is one of the things that I have come to expect from The Escapist,and I have to say that I love it.

I also feel though that nothing will change until gamers, as a fairly large front, decide to be heard. Organising and orchestrating such a thing makes it seem relatively impossible, eventually someone will help make it happen.

The trouble is that too many gamers are self-absorbed, complacent, or both. They're willing to ignore or make excuses for game companies' bloopers--and even try to shout down anyone who complains--until something gets on their nerves.