Brisingr and the Inheritance cycle

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Yassen

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This is a story about a young farm boy who discovers he has the potential to revive a dead order that once kept peace everywhere. He teams up with an old man who lived in the town as well that was once part of the order himself, but fled because the evil emperor wiped them out. The old man trains him to do things a normal person couldn?t but eventually is killed, after joining with the rebellion to overthrow the empire the boy learns that a friend of his who joins the other side is actually his family and that his father helped wipe out the order?? sound familiar? Then you probably saw the original star wars but I?m not talking about that, instead I?ll be reviewing its medieval knock-off called Eragon or the Inheritance cycle.

Don?t get me wrong, they?re fantastic books and I?ll be spending the rest of this review praising it, but I might as well get all the negative stuff out of the way first before moving onto the good bits. Firstly, as shown in the introduction, the books are essentially a medieval knock-off of the original star wars. Normally if I ever heard of someone doing that I?d demand they be arrested for plagiarism, but thankfully Christopher Paolini gets points for excellent writing and characterization so I?ll let him off for that.

Secondly, Christopher Paolini has this habit of going into way too much detail. It?s difficult to tell if that?s a bad thing or a good thing since detail gives more depth to the story but sometimes it feels unnecessary and I found myself just wishing he?d hurry up. Well that?s about all the criticism I have so I?ll now describe my ever-lasting love of these books.

The main character is Eragon, a 15 year old at the start of the series who Paolini said he crafted after himself since he was 15 himself when he wrote the book. He finds a dragon egg which eventually hatches for him and the dragon is named Saphira. Like all dragons in the Inheritance universe, Saphira is incredibly wise and very bloodthirsty. They create a bond unique between Dragons and their Riders that allow them to share feelings and thoughts. When they have to leave their home they team up with Brom, essentially Obi-Wan?s long lost cousin.

It?s at this point we learn about magic. Magic is essentially using an ancient language that consists of everything?s true name. An example being that Brisingr is fire?s true name. Magic is the manipulation of energy and if you try to do something that requires more energy than your body has, you die. Part of the reason I like the magic aspect of the books is that it seems very practical. It has limits and rules such as any law in nature and has many twists and turns allowing your imagination to come up with all kinds of scenarios.

I?m going to skip quite a bit of the story and move straight onto the recently released third book; Brisingr (I?m assuming if you?re reading this you?ve read the other books and if not then do it right now.) In Brisingr, Paolini does his best to tie up as many loose ends as he left for himself when he finished book 2, Eldest. It was at this point though he found out the book would be too big so he had to turn it from a trilogy into a cycle.

Just let that sink in for a bit.

If you have read Eldest then like me you?ve probably been waiting the past two years to find out ?what about Solembum?s prophecies?? ?Do Eragon and Saphira fulfill all their promises?? ?Do things get better between Ayra and Eragon?? Well because of length restraints Paolini had to reveal only some of the secrets but trust me, if you are a fan Paolini has rewarded your patience. It?s tempting to write every secret that is revealed but I?m afraid someone will come into my house at night and cut my hands off so I?ll restrain myself and talk about something else.

As always, Paolini creates an incredibly deep and immersive reading experience which anyone can enjoy and indeed I would recommend it to anyone. There is something I noticed throughout the book though which I feel I should mention. Because of unrevealed secrets and the nature of magic the characters will sometimes talk to each other about what?s possible in the world and what isn?t. It almost feels like Paolini is doing his best to make sure he doesn?t get mail asking all sorts of questions about the things discussed in the book and frankly I sympathize.

So bottom line is this book is superb but if you haven?t read the previous books you'll pick it up eventually but until then you won't know what the heck is going on.

One last thing I should mention before I finish up; the movie. Never in my life have I seen such an insult to a story than this film. They cut about 4/5ths of the book out, changed the characters and practically everything we have grown to love about the books. If you have read the books, don?t see it because you will be as insulted as I am. If you haven?t read the books, still don?t see it because it?s horribly written and will put you off the books themselves.

Note: Constructive criticism appreciated. Thanks for reading.
 

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If you like the magic system, I suggest reading Earthsea [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthsea#Magic_in_Earthsea]

I'll also add that while I haven't read the books myself, this review hasn't changed my view on the books.
Partially because of multiple well written articles which labeled the books as "poorly written plagiarized crap that read as a teenager's love story".
But also because while reading your 'review', I see you as that "nintendo 64 kid" you can find on youtube, and it's difficult to take anything serious when the only mental image you get is a 10 year old screaming he got what he wanted.

One last thing I should mention before I finish up; the movie. Never in my life have I seen such an insult to a story than this film. They cut about 4/5ths of the book out, changed the characters and practically everything we have grown to love about the books. If you have read the books, don't see it because you will be as insulted as I am. If you haven't read the books, still don't see it because it's horribly written and will put you off the books themselves.
If it's really a star wars clone, they will have cut the parts that made it too much like star wars ;)
 

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Flour said:
If it's really a star wars clone, they will have cut the parts that made it too much like star wars ;)
Actually they didn't, it's still the same as star wars in terms of overall plot, the same way Wall-e is still the same as any other pixar film despite the fact it 'looks' different. But they cut out all the depth, characterization and all the stuff they did in those 4/5ths removed which is why it's terrible.
 

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Flour post=326.74344.830385 said:
If you like the magic system, I suggest reading Earthsea [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthsea#Magic_in_Earthsea]

I'll also add that while I haven't read the books myself, this review hasn't changed my view on the books.
Partially because of multiple well written articles which labeled the books as "poorly written plagiarized crap that read as a teenager's love story".
...honestly, who cares about the Star Wars link? Does it seriously bother people that it has the same basic flow of Star Wars? Why? I don't get it. It's set in a different era, there is no such thing as the Force. There is no balance between good and evil. If you were one of x people just reading the books because they were interesting, you would never really care about the Star Wars link.

Despite Paolini's flaws, despite the fact that I think he must have written the second book listening to Fall Out Boy and watching awful, stereotypical romance movies, the books do hold my interest. I think my personal favorite idea that Paolini has is this intense bond between Dragon and Rider...and he really paints a grand work of art when it comes to describing that bond. The fight scenes are pretty intense (in the third book especially), and there is tremendous character development throughout the series in the majority of important characters.

They really are decent books, maybe not on par quality wise as, say, Robert Jordan books, but they are rather interesting none the less. Going by what reviews say and not even taking the time to look at the books yourself also seems foolish to me. Everyone finds gems in different places, what looks good to you may look utterly unappetizing to me.
 

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Disagreeing with a review and adding why I think that way is immediately an attack on the books?

Does it seriously bother people that it has the same basic flow of Star Wars? Why? I don't get it. It's set in a different era, there is no such thing as the Force. There is no balance between good and evil. If you were one of x people just reading the books because they were interesting, you would never really care about the Star Wars link.
The Force is just a fancy name for magic, but there is no force because magic is from the Earthsea series.
Setting a story in medieval Europe, 4 million AD or in some alternate universe doesn't change that the plot is the same.
People care if the story is so similar that they're wondering which book they're reading.

Going by what reviews say and not even taking the time to look at the books yourself also seems foolish to me.
I never said I looked at reviews. I seriously doubt I'd find a review that said something as negative as "poorly written plagiarized crap that read as a teenager's love story".
No, I never cared for the books, and all I know about the series comes from some hate website which had fans of the books respond in exactly the same way as you did. Which, in a way is funny and sad at the same time because you've reposted the same excuse, as if it's a copy&paste response from some fan website.
 

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Unholykrumpet post=326.74344.831925 said:
Flour post=326.74344.830385 said:
If you like the magic system, I suggest reading Earthsea [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthsea#Magic_in_Earthsea]

I'll also add that while I haven't read the books myself, this review hasn't changed my view on the books.
Partially because of multiple well written articles which labeled the books as "poorly written plagiarized crap that read as a teenager's love story".
*SNIP*
They really are decent books, maybe not on par quality wise as, say, Robert Jordan books, *SNIP*
But what is? (Check the username)

I personally found Brisingr pretty mediocre, a replay of Eldest with different puppets. After a 3 year wait you realize how seriously these books take themselves. it's almost pretentious. They were good back when I first read Eragon, and it was the fad of grade 5-6, or perhaps my standards were just lower. Not that the books are bad, mind you, just...they aren't that good, either.
 

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I read the books save Brisingr, and I was unimpressed. The sheer amount of purple prose that went into describing utterly useless details (like how one town was built so that archers could fire from the center of the town anywhere else because the buildings were tallest in the middle and got shorter and blah blah blah, despite no archer battle going on at the time or ever, as far as I know).

If the books didn't seem as pretentious as they do, and if they weren't so filled with meaningless detail, I'd reccommend them because you may like them while I didn't, but they drag on for too long for me to even say they were "Ok, but not great."
 

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I actually found that while the first book was a copy/paste of Star Wars, the next books were much better written and more their own.

And maybe somebody can explain this to me, but how does explaining what a town/person/whatever looks like going in to too much detail? Sure, he could just say "they walked along the road until they hit a town, talked to a few people about this and that, and then left", but it seems to be a little lacking.

I for one am a fan of the books, and can't say that I found them "pretentious", Nor did I think they went into any "meaningless detail".
 

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Qbert, I'm fine with some description. He does that, and then he wrote, if I recall correctly, four pages detailing how the town was set up to be nigh invunerable to assault.
 

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milskidasith post=326.74344.832782 said:
Qbert, I'm fine with some description. He does that, and then he wrote, if I recall correctly, four pages detailing how the town was set up to be nigh invunerable to assault.
The problem with that being...?

What I really mean to say is that I happen to like fiddly bits of detail in my books; they help me complete my mental canvas of what I "see" when I read (unless that detail happens to take up a whole chapter, see Moby Dick's chapter on the whiteness of the whale).

EDIT: Oh, yeah, about the "copy/paste of Star Wars:" I don't see much similarity between the two. One is set in space, somewhere far away in the distant past, whereas the Inheritance cycle, for all we know could be set in present-day Earth... in an alternate reality.
 

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Becoming Insane post=326.74344.832891 said:
milskidasith post=326.74344.832782 said:
Qbert, I'm fine with some description. He does that, and then he wrote, if I recall correctly, four pages detailing how the town was set up to be nigh invunerable to assault.
The problem with that being...?.
Let's see.... I have to spend ~2&1/2 minutes reading how the town is set up with the highest buildings in the center and getting shorter outward, allowing archers to fire anywhere in the town below them but nowhere above, when I just described it in five seconds worth of reading right there. If you like fiddly detail, that's fine. I actually love having some important details to the story, but when it can be summarized far faster than it takes to read and is never at all important to the story, it should not be written, or should be written with less detail.
 

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EDIT: Oh, yeah, about the "copy/paste of Star Wars:" I don't see much similarity between the two. One is set in space, somewhere far away in the distant past, whereas the Inheritance cycle, for all we know could be set in present-day Earth... in an alternate reality


I'm quite sure you can fit the names and places from the first book in this [http://i34.tinypic.com/2m6sh29.jpg] picture.

Also, since I hate not being able to argue about some pointless detail, I'm going to the library and try to find the first book.(small library, only a few thousand books)
You could see this as admitting defeat, but I don't see it that way, since if it's as bad as people say it is, I'll get a few laughs from it.(and seriously, compared to an Uwe Boll movie, how bad can it be?)
 

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Becoming Insane post=326.74344.832891 said:
EDIT: Oh, yeah, about the "copy/paste of Star Wars:" I don't see much similarity between the two. One is set in space, somewhere far away in the distant past, whereas the Inheritance cycle, for all we know could be set in present-day Earth... in an alternate reality.
For all your information needs, click here [http://www.spoonyexperiment.com/rants/Eragon/]

Christ, it's like the film-makers looked at the book and said "I have an idea! Let's take everything that's not shit about this book, along with all the stuff that makes sense and explains things, throw it out the window, and then make a low-budget piece of crap with a couple blond kids giving each other more doe-eyes then Brokeback Mountain and LOTR: RoTK combined!".
 

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quickpaw said:
Oh yeah and at what point did Paolini decide to start channeling Michelle Paver. By this i mean the way the dragons now refer to objects by their describing factors so the sun becomes "great-ball-of-fire". I mean what the hell is up with that. It's acceptable in Paver's books because that's wolf talk but coming from a dragon which is supposed to be many times smarter then humans it just appears ridiculous.
Most definitely. I'm sure that Paolini was trying to show how dragons think differently from humans and all that, plus he was hoping that none of his audience had ever read any Paver books...

It might have been not so blatant if Paolini had done that in the previous two books, but introducing it in the third for no reason is quite a bit ridiculous.

BudZer said:
You didn't mention some of these.
1.Eragon and Roran use an incredible vocabulary for guys who couldn't read.
2.Eragon learned to read in a week, Roran learned it through osmosis somehow.
3.Arya wears leather battle armor, but says that all elves would never harm another living being.
4.The bad guys don't do anything bad other than police the cities where treasonous activities are supposed to be happening.
5. "What have I done?" (Eragon after killing a couple of rabbits). This is after he's killed swarms of PEOPLE.
6. It's a Deus Ex Machina machine

7. I still love the books for some odd reason.
In answer to question #3, I can say that the elves do use the skins of animals once they have died of natural causes. Still, a bit hypocritical of those elves, eh?

But I think that #5 is probably the main reason that I don't like the Inheritance cycle as much as I should. You're right, it's quite laughable.


Another reason, I think, was when I saw that the alternate title to 'Brisingr' was 'The Seven Promises of Eragon Shadeslayer and Saphira Bjartskular'...........I mean, talk about completely pretentious......... I think most of the reasons 'Eragon' gets criticised so much is that the author always tries to create high fantasy when he just isn't a mature enough writer to do it effectively.
 

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Becoming Insane said:
milskidasith post=326.74344.832782 said:
Qbert, I'm fine with some description. He does that, and then he wrote, if I recall correctly, four pages detailing how the town was set up to be nigh invunerable to assault.
The problem with that being...?
Somehow Eragon has instantly developed a highly advanced knowledge of archecture, town planning & management, and the sum total strategic brainpower of Ghengis, Bonaparte and Rommel.

Yes I agree the first was A New Hope I mean The Hobbit, LOTRan original idea influenced by previous greats. The second very much dripped raw teenage hormonesangst and I'm hoping that he finishes it up soon, because while it seems his writing talent is getting better, the story is getting more...Stagnant, old, repetitive, stuck in reverse...encompassing.

I guess my final criticism is that the evil darklord's legions seem to either be enforcing the law and maintaining the Status Quo or just being evil for the sake of being evil. I liken their behaviour to Yahtzee's description of the Captain Planet villains.
 

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Anyone aware that Brisingr is yanked from the brisingamen, the dwarven necklace the Norse goddess Queen Freyja coveted so badly she had group sex with nasty dwarves to get it?

Anyone know that? You know, ACTUAL mythology, which is older and far more interesting than the stuff ripping it off?

Anyone? Hello out there? Odin and Thor and Loki?

Anybody?
 

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You could say that all the blatant theft in this series almost makes it the Turkish Star Wars of fantasy books, Almost.