Brutal Legend

[sammyfreak]

I actualy heard that Psychonauts ended up turning a profit, but it might be a happy illusion.

Yeah, but a profit doesn't mean the game was a raging success. Covering their expenses is not any companies marketting stratedgy

Yeah, but i do hope that DF keep making games as long as they dont need to eat off the streets.

 

[Zippy1313]

I have had it reserved since last fall. It looks simply amazing!

 

[Saskwach]

Seconded. I also can't believe I missed the Maiden concert. I don't suppose they or any other classic metal band are coming (back) to Australia, soon?

 

[Saskwach]

Or do you mean the story of the development?

I'm pretty sure he meant the story itself. Personally I love it. It's just the kind of silly, tongue-in-cheek justification for a metal fantasy realm that's needed. A mystical belt buckle? An axe that tears people apart and an "axe" that "shreds" them to pieces? Massive amps? Headbangers, groupies, roadies and a giant road trip of war? Wait, I've gotten off-track.
We can't say much about the story yet, but I like the setting as can be seen above; it seems a great excuse for all kinds of metal tropes and references, and some great fantasy action-strategy fun.

 

[ThaBenMan]

Shut up, you're gonna jinx it!

Naw, I know what you mean. I really do think it'll be great though. Has Schafer ever made a less than brilliant game?

 

[ThaBenMan]

Really? Not that I don't believe you, but I've heard nothing but praise for it.

 

[Saskwach]

Yahtzee still liked it a lot. Plus he's paid to complain.

 

[Saskwach]

These people are disqualified from the human race.

 

[Saskwach]

These people are disqualified from the human race.

Thats hardly fair. Although as I have yet to acquire the necessary time to play Psychonauts, I really couldn't say.

I was exaggerating. Still, I refer to my Tim Schafer paraphrase for anyone who decides not to like Brutal Legend (because I can totally tell how good a game will be before playing it): "You might hate Brutal Legend but only if you don't like metal and hot rods and blood and action and humour and fun."

 

[Saskwach]

I would but I'm pretty sure Timmy used the ands, so I'm gonna stick wiith 'em.

 

[InsoFox]

I was excited until I found out Jack Black was voicing the main character.

The reason why I play games over watching films at the cinemas is to avoid giving money to these overpaid actors.

Uh... yes. Right on. I'd be watching films all the time if it weren't for those pesky actors. It's because of them that I force myself to put up with playing games, instead.

I'm going to back away slowly, now.

 

[Ultrajoe]

Jack Black may be a bit of a sellout from time to time

take. that. back.

Jack Black is god and he will hear your blasphemy and blow your mind, He is the Master Exploder.

 

[Fire Daemon]

I think they dropped the ball on this, getting Jack Black. He's a fine actor (I thought he was good in Be Kind, Rewind) but he really doesn't epitomise Metal the way some other people do.

True, but he is the most "metal" person who will want to put the effort into this. And you have to admit that the guy has got a sweet voice.

 

[Saskwach]

The problem I see is not so much that Jack Black was the most metal guy they could find but the most metal comedian they could find. This is a comedy after all.

 

[Saskwach]

The problem I see is not so much that Jack Black was the most metal guy they could find but the most metal comedian they could find. This is a comedy after all.

Eh-Uhh (or whatever that sound that means wrong is). Jack Black is nowhere near the most Metal comedy guy, that honour would have to go to Brendon Small. I mean come on. He's far more metal, and arguably funnier. Plus, he is definitely more familiar with brutal voice acting.

If you don't know, Brendon Small is co-writer, composer and one of the actors for Metalocalypse, and does all of Dethkloks (and Snakes and Barrels's) vocals.

I was going to say "Who?" until you explained, and I still have the urge to say "Who?" People with even less metal knowledge than me- more than half the audience that DF are hoping to sell to- would ask the same question. If you were to say "Jack Black" the odds are much better that they'll know what the fog you're on about.

 

[Saskwach]

I doubt that. Dethklok holds the record for the fastest selling debut Metal album (I think thats the record, its along those lines), they have a relatively large cultural influence.

If not - "The guys that did Thunderhorse".

Fastest selling Metal album =/= well-known actor and comedian from King Kong, School of Rock, etc.

 

[Saskwach]

I doubt that. Dethklok holds the record for the fastest selling debut Metal album (I think thats the record, its along those lines), they have a relatively large cultural influence.

If not - "The guys that did Thunderhorse".

Fastest selling Metal album =/= well-known actor and comedian from King Kong, School of Rock, etc.

Well known actor from School of Rock, King Kong, various other things =/=Metal. If he (Schaffer) was going for popular above everything else he would have stayed with Lucasarts.

And I think you mixed up your mathematical shorthand there. =/= means "Does not mean" or "Does not equal". You were looking for <, meaning "Less than".

No I was looking for "does not equal", used in this case to represent the unmathematical idea that one was on a different scale than the other. Mr Small is known amongst the subculture of headbangers and adult swim viewers. Mr Black is known pretty much across the board. Though I could have been more accurate in my mathematical meaning that wasn't the point.
Your points are confused. Are you saying that if Jack Black does things that aren't metal-based then he has nothing to do with metal? (Oh god we're into arguments over "the real metal". Metallica will be mentioned very soon.) Or are you saying that he isn't as well known and popular as the genre itself? In that case, neither is Brendon Small. This argument is useless though because at the end of the day JACK BLACK IS BETTER KNOWN. If you seriously try to deny this I will lose all respect for you.
And while Timmy may have left Lucasarts for "the music (games)", from what I've read of him and his thoughts on Psychonauts I doubt he'd be against making money when it doesn't compromise his vision. Jack Black does not compromise Mr Schaeffer's vision of making a funny, tongue-in-cheek game about metal, but he does make it a bit easier to bring in the casually interested.

 

[Quistnix]

As for the ending music, I can see only one song: Beelzeboss (The Final Showdown). And then have the antagonist being voiced by Dave Grohl.

 

[Ultrajoe]

As for the ending music, I can see only one song: Beelzeboss (The Final Showdown). And then have the antagonist being voiced by Dave Grohl.

Here's an even better idea - not that.

I'm sorry, but if you think that thats a good song, your music taste differs greatly from mine

wait, he's wrong based on the fact that your music tastes differ? (by your own admission)

FALLACY

Beelzeboss is a satire, yes thats right, a satire song. If you were listening to it for its musical value then you differ greatly from me.

 

[Saskwach]

I doubt that. Dethklok holds the record for the fastest selling debut Metal album (I think thats the record, its along those lines), they have a relatively large cultural influence.

If not - "The guys that did Thunderhorse".

Fastest selling Metal album =/= well-known actor and comedian from King Kong, School of Rock, etc.

Well known actor from School of Rock, King Kong, various other things =/=Metal. If he (Schaffer) was going for popular above everything else he would have stayed with Lucasarts.

And I think you mixed up your mathematical shorthand there. =/= means "Does not mean" or "Does not equal". You were looking for <, meaning "Less than".

No I was looking for "does not equal", used in this case to represent the unmathematical idea that one was on a different scale than the other. Mr Small is known amongst the subculture of headbangers and some others. Mr Black is known pretty much across the board. Though I could have been more accurate in my mathematical meaning that wasn't the point.
Your points are confused. So if Jack Black does things that aren't metal then he can't be metal? (Oh god we're into arguments over "the real metal". Metallica will be mentioned very soon.) Or are you saying that he isn't as well known and popular as the genre itself? In that case, neither is Brendon Small. This argument is useless though because at the end of the day JACK BLACK IS BETTER KNOWN. If you seriously try to deny this I will lose all respect for you.
And while Timmy may have left Lucasarts for "the music (games)" from what I've read of him and his thoughts on Psychonauts I doubt he'd be against making money when it doesn't comrpomise his vision.

What I'm saying is that Jack Black is not the best choice for the protagonist. That position should go to someone who is deeply ingrained in Metal. You said he was the best comedic star of Metal. I refuted with Brendon arguably beating him on both levels. I never said he was more famous, just that, by the criteria you put there, Brendon Small would be a better choice.

However, as I am a headbanger, I would probably be in a relatively biased position to comment here.

Realistically, though, I doubt there is anyone who is likely to buy the game based solely on Jack Blacks inclusion. The kind of people who are fans of Jack Black as an actor (Genereally, from my experience, parents) are unlikely to buy a game just because of his inclusion. Just like people didn't buy San Andreas just because it had James Woods, Samuel L. Jackson, Peter Fonda, Charlie Murphy, Andy Dick, and the list goes on.

Hey I did say that. Whoops. Well what I was trying to do was defend the decision by saying "Jack Black=metal+comedian" to the public. Maybe there were better choices but Jack Black wasn't a bad decision, and I was getting the feeling that there was a slight tinge of that headbanger tribalism in your argument. I hate that so I went a bit incoherent.
Jack Black wouldn't necessarily sell the game by himself but having his name on the back is like saying "First Person Shooter": some people will perk up their ears when they hear those words.