Brutal Legend

[Ultrajoe]

It has Dio and JB

it may be my favorite ever game already.

 

[Ultrajoe]

Exactly. Thats the same problem with Tenacious D. Thats what I've been saying!

Tenacious D is worthy... Have you not seen their devotion to 'The Metal?'


[link]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0T4ljMHYXE[/link]

This sums everything up nicely.

 

[huntedannoyed]

I hope it will be awesome, but I'm kind of tired with it getting delayed. But then again, if it came out this fall, I wouldn't be able to afford it, so... I'll give it the benifit of the doubt so long as it comes out by April next year.

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

I thought it looked awesome. However the fact that Jack Black has ANYTHING to do with it taints it. That guy's carrer turned sellout after they lost their show onm HBO.

the guy is a comedic actor, the term "sellout" doesn't even have any relevance to Jack Black. he was never some "indie-actor" who did introspective thought provoking indy roles but who then caved and did action movies.

and even then, do you call Paul Giammatti a sellout for being in Shoot Em Up?

he was a comedic performer who moved from musical penis jokes to voice acting a Panda in a Disney movie. the guy had nothing to "sell out" in the first place.

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

He was alright in Be Kind, Rewind, but he's definitely not Metal enough to be in this game. It'd be like puttinf Osama Bin Laden in a Fifa game. Yes, he's a soccer player, but he's not exactly on par with others.

I don't think "Metal Enough" is really the idea here. Do we really want to drag in Dave Mustaine so he can deliver his campy on the nose anti-cliches?

The role is more about finding a funny voice actor who is familiar enough with the conventions of Heavy Metal to be able to add something to the dialogue. The Metal being conveyed in the game isn't Swedish Black Metal or anything modern, it's basically everything from Iron Maiden to King Diamond, a gap that i'm sure Jack Black is more than familiar with.

 

[Bowstring]

He was alright in Be Kind, Rewind, but he's definitely not Metal enough to be in this game. It'd be like puttinf Osama Bin Laden in a Fifa game. Yes, he's a soccer player, but he's not exactly on par with others.

I don't think "Metal Enough" is really the idea here. Do we really want to drag in Dave Mustaine so he can deliver his campy on the nose anti-cliches?

The role is more about finding a funny voice actor who is familiar enough with the conventions of Heavy Metal to be able to add something to the dialogue. The Metal being conveyed in the game isn't Swedish Black Metal or anything modern, it's basically everything from Iron Maiden to King Diamond, a gap that i'm sure Jack Black is more than familiar with.

Amen. Jack Black is a brilliant comedy actor, with a good awareness of the classic heavy metal scene. Plus his voice is easily recognisable. I think he's a great choice for the lead.

Although I doubt they'll venture into more extreme forms of metal, I think Jack Black could pull it off anyway.

 

[Thais]

Fair enough. Then again, having something like an endorsement from Pickles, Nathan and Skwisgaar wouldn't exactly hurt either. Plus, the games target market is likely to overlap considerably with that of the show Metalocalypse.

Still, its not like they can't give him a role. Hope they do. Any of those voices would just be hilarious in this game.

You know, there could be a Dethklok game in the works. If so, then...well, you can finish that sentance yourself, can't you?

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

I'm pretty sure there are gonna be some form of Metalcore or Black Metal allusions (Hence why its called Brutal Legend and not Metal Legends), possibly on the scale of just one level for each. I have this feeling its going to be similar to Psychonauts, and have themed levels - a Glam level, a Thrash level, a NWOBHM level, a Black Metal Level, a Metalcore level, etcetera. They've already announced the Goth level.

i really doubt all of that. Nordic references in heavy rock have been around since Led Zeppelin and the main roadie character looks more like Glenn Danzig than a long haired Swede. it seems that you are thinking more in the vein of Metalpocalypse which is not where i think this game is going.

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

You doubt the game is gonna go into the level based system? Why?

I'm not saying its going to be the games focus, just it will be an equal part of the game.

no, i doubt the game will reference the type of metal you are referring to. i have no idea how the levels will be designed.

Tim Schafer is a bit older than even me. So i can't see him being fully abreast of the state of the modern metal scenes. his imagery seems more referencial of early death metal, hard rock, and yes even Tenacious D.

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

Its older than Tenacious D, so if he's aware of Tenacious D, he'd be aware of Norways biggest cultural export.

if knowledgable information worked in a linear progressive fashion, then yes you would be right.

however, his referencial depth is probably deeper than a casual metal listener but more ingrained in classic metal rather than modern iterations. and Tenacious D has mainstream appeal, so Tim could know about them but not know anything about In Flames. i'm not holding my breath for any comedic references to "Mayhem".

 

[Thais]

Fair enough. Then again, having something like an endorsement from Pickles, Nathan and Skwisgaar wouldn't exactly hurt either. Plus, the games target market is likely to overlap considerably with that of the show Metalocalypse.

Still, its not like they can't give him a role. Hope they do. Any of those voices would just be hilarious in this game.

You know, there could be a Dethklok game in the works. If so, then...well, you can finish that sentance yourself, can't you?

Not likely. Adult Swims games are usually handled by Williams Street games, and while their we based games show some definite promise (go and try Amateur surgeon and judge for yourself), I doubt they would try to make a Metalocalypse game

Good fucking burning ass heavens I'm not talking about a Williams Street crapfest. I'm talking about an actual game tie-in from...well, someone who isn't in it to see how "funny" they can be while making another "he he he, this'll piss off a lot of uncool people because they don't get it" self serving piece of crap. If Metalocalypse can gain enough fans to have an actual tour, it is entirely possible that it can spawn it's own game.

 

[Juan Regular]

Hmm, I´m not a Metalhead at all (that genre kinda died for me when I first heard Kyuss), but I´m pretty psyched about this game. It has axes, Tim Schafer, Blood, Jack Black, motorcycles, Tim Schafer and ehm Tim Schafer. That´s reason enough to be thrilled.

And there won´t be just metal in there. Wolfmother for example.

 

[Bowstring]

Indigo, this really isn't going to be a Nordic 'Opeth and In Flames' sort of game. It's old-school. Motorhead, Metallica and Maiden are more what the designers are shooting for, methinks. An adventure with roadies, groupies, and marshall stacks turned up to 11. Classic melodic metal, not the newer bleaker stuff that's cropped up over the last few years. That's what the average joe thinks of when he hears the word 'metal- Bruce Dickinson hollering about the number of the beast on stage.

As for Jack Black- the dude's a famous actor, his love for old-school rock is well known, and he has a distinctive, funny voice. He may not be as 'Metal' as someone like Mikael Akerfeldt (or however you spell it), but he knows the source material, and has the charisma to potentially pull the role off. I seriously think you're getting your knickers into far too much of a twist over this. They could have done this entirely with no-name voice actors.

when did I ever say I wanted it to center itself around Black Metal? Hell, this argument started because I wanted Dickinson to be the main character instead of Jack Black, as hes arguably funnier (as anyone who saw him on the latest tour can attest to). I then said i would have also liked Brendon Small, cause I think Metalocalypse is funny. How did you get "It must center around Black metal" from?

Where did he mention anything remotely black metal?

Firstly, Opeth and In Flames are Swedish bands belonging to the genres of Progressive Death Metal and Melodic Death Metal, respectively. Nothing at all to do with Black Metal.

Secondly, all he said was that the game is most likely to be based on the old school metal scene, as popularised by bands like Priest and Maiden, and I agree.

 

[LewsTherin]

Looks pretty cool.

+ Dickenson would make instant win.

 

[Bowstring]

Indigo, this really isn't going to be a Nordic 'Opeth and In Flames' sort of game. It's old-school. Motorhead, Metallica and Maiden are more what the designers are shooting for, methinks. An adventure with roadies, groupies, and marshall stacks turned up to 11. Classic melodic metal, not the newer bleaker stuff that's cropped up over the last few years. That's what the average joe thinks of when he hears the word 'metal- Bruce Dickinson hollering about the number of the beast on stage.

As for Jack Black- the dude's a famous actor, his love for old-school rock is well known, and he has a distinctive, funny voice. He may not be as 'Metal' as someone like Mikael Akerfeldt (or however you spell it), but he knows the source material, and has the charisma to potentially pull the role off. I seriously think you're getting your knickers into far too much of a twist over this. They could have done this entirely with no-name voice actors.

when did I ever say I wanted it to center itself around Black Metal? Hell, this argument started because I wanted Dickinson to be the main character instead of Jack Black, as hes arguably funnier (as anyone who saw him on the latest tour can attest to). I then said i would have also liked Brendon Small, cause I think Metalocalypse is funny. How did you get "It must center around Black metal" from?

Where did he mention anything remotely black metal?

Firstly, Opeth and In Flames are Swedish bands belonging to the genres of Progressive Death Metal and Melodic Death Metal, respectively. Nothing at all to do with Black Metal.

Secondly, all he said was that the game is most likely to be based on the old school metal scene, as popularised by bands like Priest and Maiden, and I agree.

Exactly. I was also commenting (too vaguely perhaps) on Indigo's notion that certain people involved in the game 'aren't metal enough', an awfully elitist attitude if you ask me. Jack Black is aware enough of the classics to 'warrant', for lack of a better word, a place in the game. If he isn't aware of the more niche trappings of metal, well, the game was never shooting for them in the first place. Old-school, that's the key phrase.

Also, bitching how one particular singer (who was never slated to be the main character in any case) 'lost' the role to a comedic actor is ridiculous. Does the fact that Master Chief isn't voiced by Vin Diesel ruin Halo for me? No, of course not. There are millions of actors and singers who I'd want to voice the dude in Brutal Legend. However, I'm perfectly happy with ol' Jacky.

I'm simply noting that I would prefer if Bruce Dickinson or David Scott Mustaine were the voice of the lead characters, just like everyone else. Its not like I'm going to boycott this game because of their absence, just saying it would have been even more awesome if either of them were the lead characters (or in it at all)

Meh. They're both metal legends, but I don't think they'd make very remarkable voice actors.

 

[SenseOfTumour]

Personally, if GTA4 had a character voiced by Paris Hilton, I wouldnt like it, and I'd be annoyed that she was getting more money thrown at her, and polluting the game, but I certainly would still buy it.

The idea that anyone would go 'hey its the greatest game eve- oh Jack Black, I'm not buying that crap' is just nuts.

Bruce Dickinson may well have done a good job, he's an intelligent, witty man, and a fine entertainer with a good speaking voice, but most metal lead singers are not voice actors.

Saying Lemmy would be a great voice actor because he's a metal legend is like saying he'd be a great brain surgeon because he's got talented guitar hands.

I'm all for giving the job to an actor personally, tho personally I'd have preferred it to be a good unknown actor.

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

Alright, back up. Do you think they are likely to divide the game into areas based upon to Metal subgenres?

no. and i say that because design wise, the idea would be too similar to Psychonauts and i can't see Schafer doing something similar to what he has done in the past.

it would be funny though if the level design was a combination of Dante's Inferno and various metal references relating to each level of hell. but who knows, i mean it's tim Schafer so anything could happen.

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

I just thought this because a number of articles said you would be fighting Goth and Emo enemies, and I just naturally assumed.

??

maybe it is the case then. i mean, i am just speaking from my ass

 

[Asehujiko]

Its older than Tenacious D, so if he's aware of Tenacious D, he'd be aware of Norways biggest cultural export.

if knowledgable information worked in a linear progressive fashion, then yes you would be right.

however, his referencial depth is probably deeper than a casual metal listener but more ingrained in classic metal rather than modern iterations. and Tenacious D has mainstream appeal, so Tim could know about them but not know anything about In Flames. i'm not holding my breath for any comedic references to "Mayhem".

The problem here is finding something funny to say about mayhem, not finding a way to add the mainstream appeal. 60% of all their (ex)members are dead or in jail and they don't seem to do anything other then promoting satanism and releasing music about promoting satanism. And stabbing eachother ofcourse.

What i would like to see ingame is a level based arround what pretty much every Rhapsody of Fire song is about. Magical forest, unicorns, dragons etc. I'm pretty sure Tim could do something funny with that.

 

[WlknCntrdiction]

Its older than Tenacious D, so if he's aware of Tenacious D, he'd be aware of Norways biggest cultural export.

if knowledgable information worked in a linear progressive fashion, then yes you would be right.

however, his referencial depth is probably deeper than a casual metal listener but more ingrained in classic metal rather than modern iterations. and Tenacious D has mainstream appeal, so Tim could know about them but not know anything about In Flames. i'm not holding my breath for any comedic references to "Mayhem".

The problem here is finding something funny to say about mayhem, not finding a way to add the mainstream appeal. 60% of all their (ex)members are dead or in jail and they don't seem to do anything other then promoting satanism and releasing music about promoting satanism. And stabbing eachother ofcourse.

What i would like to see ingame is a level based arround what pretty much every Rhapsody of Fire song is about. Magical forest, unicorns, dragons etc. I'm pretty sure Tim could do something funny with that.

If it comes out - word is its been canceled

It hasn't been cancelled, it's currently in limbo, no word of cancellation yet, so no need to freak out.