Building a Legacy by Standing on the Shoulders of Giants

Catasros

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Darth_Payn said:
Catasros said:
Hang in there, Metal Gear Solid! We believe in you!

. . . I think?
You have to respect a series that keeps on going and going and doing its own thing, and not giving a damn about current trends. Even though it sometimes makes some STRANGE turns. Reboots sharing their title with the series its rebooting just feel sleazy to me (glares suspiciously at Tomb Raider). I too support backwards compatibility for older games. I mean, it's not like we can find everything on Steam, right? Right?
Darth_Payn said:
Catasros said:
Hang in there, Metal Gear Solid! We believe in you!

. . . I think?
You have to respect a series that keeps on going and going and doing its own thing, and not giving a damn about current trends. Even though it sometimes makes some STRANGE turns. Reboots sharing their title with the series its rebooting just feel sleazy to me (glares suspiciously at Tomb Raider). I too support backwards compatibility for older games. I mean, it's not like we can find everything on Steam, right? Right?
Well, give the game industry a year or two...
 

Alex Baas

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It strikes me as odd that the current conversation as to things that the industry needs to move towards is almost the exact same shit that Nintendo has been doing and snubbed for doing for years now. Backwards compatibility, making older games accessible, showing representative gameplay trailers of their games etc.

For the record I jumped ship from console to PC three years ago so this is a perspective of someone who games on the BC PC platform.
 

JET1971

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Yahtzee Croshaw said:
The reboot doesn't have to have any connection to its predecessors but a tangentially similar theme. It doesn't have to make sure the plot is consistent with the plot already established,
Sorry I completely disagree here. A reboot should follow the original story as close as possible but with modern tech creating and running it. after the reboot then you move on to new and more innovative ideas ignoring the sequel's to the original if the original had any. A good reboot does not stray from the original because the original was good enough to warrant a reboot so changing it is just asking to fuck it up. You lose old fans because it was changed and new fans may enjoy it but not enough that it would be asking for a reboot in 10 years, enjoy it and forget when the next title comes out so to speak.

A good reboot follows the original as close as possible and major plot points do not deviate, that keeps the fans of the original work interested and buying and the original story was good enough to create those fans so anyone new will enjoy it as well. sequels of the original on the other hand can be skipped altogether after the reboot, they do not need to be made and if they are they really should follow the same theme as the original. Best to diverge the story after the reboot for new innovative ideas and story for all the fans, new and old.

But for fucks sake do not reboot the IP everytime you make one and change it like you suggest! reboot in 10 years and make all new sequels of the reboot and new fans will buy the original sequals as well as the new completely new and maybe after buy the one that started them all. That would be far better than the 3,000.000,000,000.00th reboot of Batman fighting the same Joker with different art and theme. C'mon how many Batman and Jokers do we need before we are sick of them?
 

Falterfire

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As somebody who has just started getting into (Superhero) comics, I have to say I actually like having the sprawling continuity. I love the sense of a living world that comes from having hundreds of characters where you can see each of their individual backstories stretching across decades. It's a method with drawbacks, yes, but superhero comics would be a lot less noteworthy if things stayed in stasis or went in circles forever. (Although DC seems determined to make that happen with New 52)

The trick is making it all accessible. This is actually where comics fall down: Short of having a friend with a collection or resorting to illegitimate acquisition, there's no way to go through backstory without spending hundreds on digital issues or just spending a bunch of time reading plot summaries on Wikipedia. This gets to be a problem faster with video games: I can tear through an issue of comics in 5-15 minutes depending on the book, but a game takes 5-20 hours to do even a main-story-only run.

The problem isn't complex continuity: It's not doing a good job of isolating individual stories (possibly by seeding references to past events when they're relevant) and not making it easy to experience new continuity without trawling through Wikipedia. A new reader/gamer/watcher shouldn't find that Wikipedia is the best way to get into the series.