Bureaucracy-Em-Up

[mike1921]

No one cares what genes nature assigned you. Genotype does nothing but define phenotype, which is flexible and is what matters. I'm more attracted to black hair than blonde, so if a blonde haired girl dyed her hair black I would see her as a black-haired girl and be more attracted to her as such. Nature is irrelevant, black hair turns me on, if a girl's hair is seen by my eyes as black than as long as she keeps dying it, it is black. No one's arguing that hormone therapy and sexual reassignment surgery make you genetically a different sex, but who really cares? If it looks like a girl, acts like a girl, thinks like a girl, and identifies as a girl, than to me they're a girl

Oddly enough....I was born with brown hair, got cancer , and when my hair came back after chemo it was black...So what hair color do I have? Brown or Black? I was born brown but I don't need anything artificial from here on to grow black hair.

Well you see the way your hair example differs from the one I posted is your hair now grows black naturally. So congratulations, you're now black haired. The reason why my example was more relevant to "transgender" is you have to keep dyeing your hair black if you want it to stay black. Thus, it's nothing but some black paint in your brown hair. There's a difference to being blond and being blond haired, and it's the same thing with all artificial changes you can do to yourself. See how this is closer to "transgender" men acting like women?

Umm, I'm pretty sure you have seen many of blonde women who were just dyed blonde and you didn't think twice about it and considered them blonde.

Why did you ignore my black marker on a caucasian -> black person example? Is that valid?

Not even sure black marker would make white skin look remotely like a black person's....regardless, I'd probably refer to them as black if they did something to make them look black. I probably wouldn't consider them all that sane if they were doing it for the same reason a transexual would admittedly, but that's because of the different effects race and gender have on identity .Race's main effects on one's identity are historical and cultural, while there are genuine mental differences inherent in men and women , so I don't see the comparison as truly valid.

As for words being offensive, if I choose that terms like male, caucasian, blond or human are now offensive, and invent a new word that you can only use from now on (let's say the word is CAPTAIN GORGEOUS, KING OF THE UNIVERSE), will you cease to use any of the words I mentioned and instead always use the new one? If not, then double standard! If yes, then boy have I got a way to make your life more difficult than it needs to be.

Get some consensus that Caucasian is an offensive word and a reason for it and try again. Tranny is a considered an offensive word because of its origins in porn and you'd be pretty dead set to find a transexual who doesn't mind being called a tranny.

For the record, African American being so much harder than "black", while black lacks any sort of real reason to be offensive is the reason I refuse to use that long ass phrase. So yea, you'd have to shorten your word too.

 

[Torchiest]

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Yeah, sorry but no. He made a holocaust joke as well, and there was nary a peep about that. Either nothing is exempt from comedy, or everything is.

Totally agree. I'm really bummed that Yahtzee apologized for this. Comedy is meant to be politically incorrect and yes, sometimes offensive. He probably would have been in the clear if he'd followed up with NTTAWWT.

 

[Speksi]

Umm, I'm pretty sure you have seen many of blonde women who were just dyed blonde and you didn't think twice about it and considered them blonde.

Rarely, dyed hair is nothing like natural blonde. And what happens if they stop dyeing their hair? That's right, it goes back to their natural color. It's nothing more than illusion. Nothing more than some paint in your hair.

Not even sure black marker would make white skin look remotely like a black person's....regardless, I'd probably refer to them as black if they did something to make them look black. I probably wouldn't consider them all that sane if they were doing it for the same reason a transexual would admittedly, but that's because of the different effects race and gender have on identity .Race's main effects on one's identity are historical and cultural, while there are genuine mental differences inherent in men and women , so I don't see the comparison as truly valid.

So what you're saying is women and men are inherintly different? Better watch out, feminists will come after you like a pack of ugly mangy wolves.

There are plenty of differences between races. You can google 'em up easily. That's what racist people always use as fuel (whereas I judge people based on their personal merits, and consider sweeping generalizations silly) So yeah, it's really valid, and if we're back to your subjective view on who looks black/woman/lion enough to be considered "transgender/transspecies/transrace", it's in no way factual. Your point is, people who think they are women can turn into women. Thus, people who think they are black, should be able to turn black. Can they?

Also, are ugly, manly trannies women? If so, then how come I can't just be a very humanly lion if I choose so?

Get some consensus that Caucasian is an offensive word and a reason for it and try again.

I'll change the caucasian to Aryan to make this simpler. I'm Aryan, and many people link Aryan to Nazism, so I find it offensive when people call me Aryan. Thus, I insist that from here on out people refer to me as CAPTAIN GORGEOUS, MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE instead of "Aryan".

Will you?

The word's too long? Tranny = 6 letters, "Transgender" = 11 letters. You have no point.

 

[Speksi]

Umm, I'm pretty sure you have seen many of blonde women who were just dyed blonde and you didn't think twice about it and considered them blonde.

Rarely, dyed hair is nothing like natural blonde. And what happens if they stop dyeing their hair? That's right, it goes back to their natural color. It's nothing more than illusion. Nothing more than some paint in your hair. Just because some "magicians" can do supposedly magical things doesn't mean magic is real, much like putting on a white sheet doesn't make you a ghost. Or putting on a sundress doesn't make you a woman.

Not even sure black marker would make white skin look remotely like a black person's....regardless, I'd probably refer to them as black if they did something to make them look black. I probably wouldn't consider them all that sane if they were doing it for the same reason a transexual would admittedly, but that's because of the different effects race and gender have on identity .Race's main effects on one's identity are historical and cultural, while there are genuine mental differences inherent in men and women , so I don't see the comparison as truly valid.

So what you're saying is women and men are inherintly different? Better watch out, feminists will come after you like a pack of ugly mangy wolves.

There are plenty of differences between races. You can google 'em up easily. That's what racist people always use as fuel (whereas I judge people based on their personal merits, and consider sweeping generalizations silly) So yeah, it's really valid, and if we're back to your subjective view on who looks black/woman/lion enough to be considered "transgender/transspecies/transrace", it's in no way factual. Your point is, people who think they are women can turn into women. Thus, people who think they are black, should be able to turn black. Can they?

Also, are ugly, manly trannies women? If so, then how come I can't just be a very humanly lion if I choose so?

Get some consensus that Caucasian is an offensive word and a reason for it and try again.

I'll change the caucasian to Aryan to make this simpler. I'm Aryan, and many people link Aryan to Nazism, so I find it offensive when people call me Aryan. Thus, I insist that from here on out people refer to me as CAPTAIN GORGEOUS, MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE instead of "Aryan".

Will you?

The word's too long? Tranny = 6 letters, "Transgender" = 11 letters. You have no point.

 

[Something Amyss]

so, yeah, great, you are lucky because you are privileged.

Shows what you know. I thought the joke was funny, and I'm trans. I freaking hate my life to degrees I'm not even sure I can say on these boards, but that joke? That joke was not the problem.

It's not always privilege.

 

[VondeVon]

In hindsight, I'm actually kind of offended by the apology because Yahtzee has been saying an awful lot of shit about women over the past few years and never apologised for that. (Generally along the level of implying that females are weak, lesser, crap at gaming etc.)

I've taken it all as a joke but then he comes and apologises about a term and it's like... wait, so that's not okay, but implying that having a vagina is some kind of terrible affliction or sign of an uncool or unskilled gamer is?

Hm.

 

[hoobajoob]

I'm trans and I actually want people to use the word tranny more. If we start using it casually, the way we use "queer" casually, eventually it won't even register as a slur. And in this case it was obviously used in the "wow, look at this evil bureaucracy" sense, not in a way that was meant to put trans folks down. I don't think Yahtzee owes me an apology for that, and frankly I didn't even notice the "not gay" joke before that. If anything that's a slam against guys in the closet.

There's some hateful, awful shit that gets said about trans people in this culture, so I don't want to give the impression that I think a bunch of dudebros sitting around joking about "chicks with dicks LOLOLOL" is cool or funny. But there's also way too much knee-jerk reaction and self-righteousness going around these days. I guess my point is even though I don't know a single person IRL who is trans - and that sometimes makes me feel a bit lonely and isolated - I'd still rather hang with someone like Yahtzee than some indignant social justice snowflake who happens to share my circumstances. At least Yahtzee has a sense of humor!