I really couldn't get into the first Witcher game. The writing and characters are pretty awful but maybe the gameplay in the second and third games can make up for it. It seems like I'll have to buy them on principle alone anyway.
The CD Projekt Group consists of 3 main businesses: CD Projekt RED, GOG.com and, possibly most important of all, CD Projekt which is one of the largest games distributors in Central and Eastern Europe.pearcinator said:However, what I want to know is; how do CD Projekt RED make money? They have made 3 games and I don't remember Witcher 2 being on the level of Call of Duty sales. That engine they designed for Witcher 2 and now Witcher 3 would have cost millions! Are they self-published? Who has the deep pockets to afford what looks like a really expensive game? I am glad that they are truly 'gamer's first' but from a business side is it going to hurt them in the long run?
Because they cut content from their final game FOUR MONTHS IN ADVANCE so they can give it as a bonus to people who buy their game.RealRT said:And this is why CDP is regarded as the messiah of gaming and everyone else is everyone else.
Blasphemy!!! Only a heretic would think of buying a used copy of Witcher 3.Hubblignush said:While msot people might think it's purely out of the goodness of their hearts, this is mainly to reduce used game sales and to give an incentive to buy the game fresh.
First of all, how do you know it was cut? How do you know it's already done? You a studio worker? An insider? Or just a know-it-all? Second, no, not like Capcom, Ubisoft and EA, because they don't charge money for this content. That's a big difference. Third, these months are all testing and optimization. The content of the game should be done by this point, now it's all polishing it up - bear in mind that CDP is not a big studio and the game was supposed to be released mid-2014. So while Q&A department does all the testing, what should the rest of the studio do, watch Monty Python?LarsInCharge said:Because they cut content from their final game FOUR MONTHS IN ADVANCE so they can give it as a bonus to people who buy their game.RealRT said:And this is why CDP is regarded as the messiah of gaming and everyone else is everyone else.
You know, like Capcom, Ubisoft, and EA...
I think watching Monty Python to kill time is a great idea. Also I agree with you. Its basiclly going to be weekly updates, there isn't anything wrong with that. For all we know they just planned this stuff and haven't even got to work on it yet. Its not like Ubisoft, EA or Capcom where its pretty clear some of the stuff was cut just to make pre order or day 1 DLC (admittedly EA is doing better but they still have a looooooooooooooooong ways to go).RealRT said:First of all, how do you know it was cut? How do you know it's already done? You a studio worker? An insider? Or just a know-it-all? Second, no, not like Capcom, Ubisoft and EA, because they don't charge money for this content. That's a big difference. Third, these months are all testing and optimization. The content of the game should be done by this point, now it's all polishing it up - bear in mind that CDP is not a big studio and the game was supposed to be released mid-2014. So while Q&A department does all the testing, what should the rest of the studio do, watch Monty Python?LarsInCharge said:Because they cut content from their final game FOUR MONTHS IN ADVANCE so they can give it as a bonus to people who buy their game.RealRT said:And this is why CDP is regarded as the messiah of gaming and everyone else is everyone else.
You know, like Capcom, Ubisoft, and EA...
People see DLC and they start seeing red. I mean its understandable why consdering how often we get screwed over with DLC but CPR generally does good things with their games and they like to treat their costumers right.weirdee said:man, did everybody just miss that quote or what? they're giving the DLC to anybody that buys the game, ever, until perhaps some time when the game is no longer supported by downloadable service anymore
As anyone should do. I don't care if Bethesda and Taleworlds announce tomorrow that they're joining together to make a hybrid of Warband and Skyrim (my 1st and 2nd games of all time respectively), I'm not buying something before it has been released. You're just gambling with your money.Hubblignush said:Eh, fine.
Still gonna wait to hear of its ana ctual good game before I buy it, even if I love the Witcher 2 and like what the CDPR guys are doing.
Impressive. Let's just hope that they don't get too greedy. I am not from Europe and haven't heard of CD Projekt before, nor do I know what the economy of Poland is like (what they are taxed on for example). All I know is that Australia sucks when it comes to technology stuff. Our government is run by dinosaurs and we have one of the slowest internet networks. Funding has been stopped/taken from local game developers despite a vast majority of us being gamers. We also pay way more for games than most of the world too.RhombusHatesYou said:The CD Projekt Group consists of 3 main businesses: CD Projekt RED, GOG.com and, possibly most important of all, CD Projekt which is one of the largest games distributors in Central and Eastern Europe.
CD Projekt RED is published by CD Projekt.
Also, don't forget that all these businesses are based in Poland, which helps keep the costs down.
All pretty snazzy for a business that started out as an importer of games into Poland.
True, but at least EA are trying to solve the problem. Rather than Ubisoft who respond with arguments about why it's better for them or Bethesda or Activision who remain pretty silent on the matter. If EA continues like this then eventually they will follow suit with CD Projekt. They still get a LOT of hate though when compared to other companies who do worse things.MC1980 said:Well, when EA does it's usually after a fuck up that angered a lot of folks, and this is their blatantly obvious way placate unsatisfied people (Sims 4, Mass Effect 3, Battlefield 4 (I think some dlc became cheaper, not sure) etc.). It feels reactionary, and hardly genuine. Contrast to CD Projekt, they're just doing it because they want to.pearcinator said:I know right! Especially since EA are pretty much doing this (free DLC) everyone still hates on them anyway. I think Ubisoft and Activision are the ones who need to get their act together. EA is trying to win back people's trust recently (but the pit they dug themselves into is harder to get out of).
EA's bad reputation has roots back in the nineties, so they have a lot of atonement to make. But I gotta admit, they are making baby steps towards not being horrible.pearcinator said:True, but at least EA are trying to solve the problem. Rather than Ubisoft who respond with arguments about why it's better for them or Bethesda or Activision who remain pretty silent on the matter. If EA continues like this then eventually they will follow suit with CD Projekt. They still get a LOT of hate though when compared to other companies who do worse things.
Storage capacity on physical media?Braddon Dent said:Why don't they just put it in the game in the first place instead of making it dlc?
Actually developing Witcher 2 almost made them go bancrupt so they arent as financialy secure as you may think, they just really want to make great games and are willing to risk it all for it.pearcinator said:Oh! I didn't know that. Things are starting to make sense now I found it kind of strange that they seemed to come out of nowhere making AAA games.Denamic said:They own GOG.com
They have a healthy pool of riches to draw upon.
Ill be buying it regardless. In my opinion such developer stance is worth supporting whether their games are great or average. besides, so far their last two were good so good track record. Obviuosly, ill wait to see the reviews, but its something i want to support. i never preorder anyway so buying day 1 or day 14 isnt much difference really.Hubblignush said:Still gonna wait to hear of its ana ctual good game before I buy it, even if I love the Witcher 2 and like what the CDPR guys are doing.
or you know they gave the version to the printers to stamp DVDs and instead of twiddling their thumbs they continued to work and wanted to have that work for the game done for costumers? you know, perhaps some bugtesting so the launch isnt a buggy mess like most AAA laucnhes nowadays?LarsInCharge said:Because they cut content from their final game FOUR MONTHS IN ADVANCE so they can give it as a bonus to people who buy their game.
You know, like Capcom, Ubisoft, and EA...
Yes, lets stop the DVD presses, stop quality assurance and bugfixers and wait so they can add a few beards.Braddon Dent said:Why don't they just put it in the game in the first place instead of making it dlc?
A new AAA game in Poland costs 10.5% minimum monthly wage. In Australia, that's 3.5% (I don't know if I got the right figures for Aus, as in seems minimum wage varies). I find it a nice indicator of the state of the economy, but take from it what you will.pearcinator said:Impressive. Let's just hope that they don't get too greedy. I am not from Europe and haven't heard of CD Projekt before, nor do I know what the economy of Poland is like (what they are taxed on for example). All I know is that Australia sucks when it comes to technology stuff. Our government is run by dinosaurs and we have one of the slowest internet networks. Funding has been stopped/taken from local game developers despite a vast majority of us being gamers. We also pay way more for games than most of the world too.
I have never understood this argument; it always seemed arbitrary to me. The only thing that really matters with regards to supplementary add-ons to a game (imo) is A) the quantity and quality of the content and B) the price you are paying for it. I don't care if it was made a year before the game launched; I don't care if it was made a year after; I don't care if half the assets are already downloaded; I don't care if it was made in a Chinese sweatshop with terrible conditions. Those are the only 2.5 aspects that matter (to me).Kenjitsuka said:Trouble is; is the content first removed and the later given to you or is the content truly made after launch?