than get one from you local shady guy with hoodie. OT i actuelly liked the Sig. but did you ever try a glock? one of my favorites next to the taurus and FNDirty Hipsters said:
Buying my first handgun, looking for suggestions and input
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I've tried quite a few glocks actually, the 17, the 20, the 22, and the 34. They're alright guns. They point well and I like their grips, but they aren't what I'm looking for. They feel too light for me, and I don't like the way they eject casings.exessmirror said:
from the choices that you have i would choose the m9 (never shot one) over the CZ, my friend owns one and it tends to jam a lot, but maybe it is just his.Dirty Hipsters said:
ignoring the politics of your comment, most ranges don't rent guns for insurance and cost/benefit reasons.Elementary - Dear Watson said:
a range renting weapons has to spend money not only buying the weapons, but storing them when they aren't in use, cleaning them after use, and ammunition for when they are used. those prices, called "overhead," cost a good amount of money over time.
they also, if the range owner is smart, have more expensive insurance. if a weapon misfires or has some kind of catastrophic failure that injures someone, the owners of the weapon (the range/operator of the range) could be liable.
ranges that do rent weapons (The Gun Range in Las Vegas comes to mind) are generally extremely expensive because of the overhead involved in operating it.
back on topic: any CZ gun will be fine. i prefer the CZ 82 because i love Makarovs, but the 75 is probably their best because of how well it balances price and reliability.
i wouldn't buy an M9. any CZ is just as reliable at 2/3s the price.
next, you need to buy a Mosin. you can't beat a $100 rifle that fires 20 cent bullets.
out of those three, I'd take the CZ75, it's widely deployed, known for it's reliability, tons of options for modification even just addons, it has an underslung mounting rail for attatchments, everything from compensators to lights to laser sights can go on one of those badboys, from what I've heard it's a pretty easy gun to clean and maintain too.
I mean I prefer other pistols myself, in fact I would personally choose something along the lines of the H&K MK 23 as seen here http://www.impactguns.com/hk-mark-23-45acp-socom-black-mk23-723001-642230244924.aspx but that's probably a little outa your budget.
Only ever held one of those once, but in my opinion nothing has ever felt so fine in my grip...
I generally prefer rifles, but if I were to get myself a pistol, I'd save up and get myself a Heckler and Koch Mark 23.
Ammo isn't cheap though... So you're probably better off with a 9mm or a .22
I mean I prefer other pistols myself, in fact I would personally choose something along the lines of the H&K MK 23 as seen here http://www.impactguns.com/hk-mark-23-45acp-socom-black-mk23-723001-642230244924.aspx but that's probably a little outa your budget.
Only ever held one of those once, but in my opinion nothing has ever felt so fine in my grip...
I generally prefer rifles, but if I were to get myself a pistol, I'd save up and get myself a Heckler and Koch Mark 23.
Ammo isn't cheap though... So you're probably better off with a 9mm or a .22
Those are all three solid choices. After that, it will just come down to personal preference, what is available in your area, etc.
Personally, I'd go with the CZ75BD. Berettas are nice, but I find them a little bulky for their role. I generally prefer pistols with a shorter trigger reach, like 1911s and Glocks (I have smaller hands). My issued carry gun is a Glock 21 in .45 ACP, which is a little on the big side for my taste, but a solid performer.
If you haven't already, you might check out the Smith & Wesson M&P series. Very nice guns, good triggers, and quite accurate.
Personally, I'd go with the CZ75BD. Berettas are nice, but I find them a little bulky for their role. I generally prefer pistols with a shorter trigger reach, like 1911s and Glocks (I have smaller hands). My issued carry gun is a Glock 21 in .45 ACP, which is a little on the big side for my taste, but a solid performer.
If you haven't already, you might check out the Smith & Wesson M&P series. Very nice guns, good triggers, and quite accurate.
I'm a Ruger fanboy, so take my advice with a grain of salt, but I'd have to second the .22 Ruger Mark III vote. If this really is a target plinking gun for weekend trips to the range, you're wasting your money on 9mm ammo. It's a solid defensive round, but if you're just shooting at paper, it's a bit of overkill.
That said, of the handful of people I know that have owned Berettas, I've never heard a single complaint about reliability, feel, or performance.
That said, of the handful of people I know that have owned Berettas, I've never heard a single complaint about reliability, feel, or performance.
Go Maliwan. I mean, shit. They SHOOT FIRE AND ACID AND ELECTRICITY AND SHIT.
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I really can't afford to judge anyone, though. Where I'm from, we tend to have a very "Gunz? LOLWHUT? These are for cops!" policy, which guarantees that your average Joe knows jack shit about them pew-pews and boom-booms.
If you really feel you need one for your personal protection then, jeeze, allow me to be impressed and possibly dismayed, seeing as this seems to imply your neighbourhood is very dodgy. I'm probably wrong, but hey. Sheltered Canadian white dude speaking, here.
If you're just a casual shootist, well... Have fun? I guess?
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This. I don't want to be the guy who starts the requisite guns debate, but I just don't get how owning a piece means you'll get better at handling it, versus setting yourself a decent rental schedule at the shooting range.Elementary - Dear Watson said:
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Because they are all the guns a person needs at home...
If you want to go to a range, they have guns... and if you want to go hunting, or game shooting, why the fuck are you buying a pistol?
I really can't afford to judge anyone, though. Where I'm from, we tend to have a very "Gunz? LOLWHUT? These are for cops!" policy, which guarantees that your average Joe knows jack shit about them pew-pews and boom-booms.
If you really feel you need one for your personal protection then, jeeze, allow me to be impressed and possibly dismayed, seeing as this seems to imply your neighbourhood is very dodgy. I'm probably wrong, but hey. Sheltered Canadian white dude speaking, here.
If you're just a casual shootist, well... Have fun? I guess?
I've never used the three you're torn between but I hear the Beretta is fantastic. However I have to root for my favorite every man gun: The Glock. Its an awesome choice for your first pistol if you ask me. I've always liked how they shoot and they are some of the most reliable pistols you'll ever find for the price. Almost all of them will come well under your price limit. I'd specifically recommend a 9mm variant. I use a 19(small hands) and I get some good groupings.
I'm guessing you live in a city, because in rural Canada there is a pretty high rate of firearm ownership and a very prevalent culture surrounding the shooting sports/hunting. I would say that handguns, while not nearly as common as rifles or shotguns, are far from being considered a rare possession. Perhaps it varies from province to province, idk..IamLEAM1983 said:Go Maliwan. I mean, shit. They SHOOT FIRE AND ACID AND ELECTRICITY AND SHIT.
Ahem. Trolling over, I promise.
This. I don't want to be the guy who starts the requisite guns debate, but I just don't get how owning a piece means you'll get better at handling it, versus setting yourself a decent rental schedule at the shooting range.Elementary - Dear Watson said:
~~OR~~
~~OR EVEN~~
Because they are all the guns a person needs at home...
If you want to go to a range, they have guns... and if you want to go hunting, or game shooting, why the fuck are you buying a pistol?
I really can't afford to judge anyone, though. Where I'm from, we tend to have a very "Gunz? LOLWHUT? These are for cops!" policy, which guarantees that your average Joe knows jack shit about them pew-pews and boom-booms.
If you really feel you need one for your personal protection then, jeeze, allow me to be impressed and possibly dismayed, seeing as this seems to imply your neighbourhood is very dodgy. I'm probably wrong, but hey. Sheltered Canadian white dude speaking, here.
If you're just a casual shootist, well... Have fun? I guess?
That's a pretty wide range we're looking at here.
Any specifics you'd like to share about what you hated about the SIG? That should make proper suggestions much more worthwhile.
Any reason why H&K products are absent from your list?
Any specifics you'd like to share about what you hated about the SIG? That should make proper suggestions much more worthwhile.
Any reason why H&K products are absent from your list?
I should probably qualify all of this by saying I don't actually *own* any firearms (though I'm knowledgeable about them and I have plenty of experience at the range).
My personal preference is for the M1911 (sometimes you just can't beat the classics
), but out of the options listed, I would recommend the Beretta. Granted, it's the only one of the three I've actually fired, but it's also the most commonly used, and therefor has a wide range of aftermarket and replacement parts. It's also very comfortable to hold (it's one of those guns that had a feel in the hand you just don't forget, if you understand me), and the two I've fired both had very comfortable actions (they were a bit less pop-y than some guns I've fires).
On a side note, have you looked into the Steyr M-series? I have virtually no experience with them, but as far as looks go they can't be beat
My personal preference is for the M1911 (sometimes you just can't beat the classics
), but out of the options listed, I would recommend the Beretta. Granted, it's the only one of the three I've actually fired, but it's also the most commonly used, and therefor has a wide range of aftermarket and replacement parts. It's also very comfortable to hold (it's one of those guns that had a feel in the hand you just don't forget, if you understand me), and the two I've fired both had very comfortable actions (they were a bit less pop-y than some guns I've fires).On a side note, have you looked into the Steyr M-series? I have virtually no experience with them, but as far as looks go they can't be beat
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Every gun is a little bit different. No matter if it's the exact same model, and was made at the exact same factory, it'll feel a little bit different than every other gun out there, the trigger will have more or less play, the slide will move a little more or less sharply, there's a lot of little things that make every gun different from every other gun. The problem with this is that once you get to be a really good shot, these things begin to matter, you need everything to be consistant. Knowing exactly how far back you're pulling back the trigger, and exactly how much the gun is going to recoil, and then how much the slide hitting the front of the gun is going to pull your aim downward after the shot, all of these things begin to matter in your accuracy, and these are things you can only predict if you actually own your own gun, not renting one from the range.IamLEAM1983 said:
I absolutely hated the trigger on the Sig p226 that I shot. The trigger didn't have a crisp feel at all, it felt soft, and you had to pull it too far back in order to get the gun to fire. The first time I tried to fire it I pulled the trigger back to about where it would be for a glock to fire. Nothing happened. I thought the gun was fucking jammed, but no, it turned out I had to just pull it ridiculously far back. Really fucked with my aim. I don't know if this was just because the gun I was using was poorly maintained, or if all Sigs are normally like this, but I absolutely hated it.Headdrivehardscrew said:
There's not H&Ks on that list because the shooting range I go to doesn't have very many, so I've never gotten to try one. Friend of mine recommended the H&K p2000 to me though, so I'll see what I can dig up on one of those.
I would get a m1911 trp, Its heavier, but has lower recoil, and being a all steel frame very durable. If you want a lower price handgun just get a plain 1911.
Well, more complicated the gun or the mechanism, the more it breaks down and you have to maintain it. The military likes simple, reliable designs for handguns, not deadlier ones, just so in the rare case it is needed, the user doesn't have to worry about it. That is why they used the 1911 for almost a hundred years even though it was obsolete only 20 years later. Also, any caliber above .357 magnum for a handgun is basically overkill unless you go hunt elephants, because the recoil can hurt you wrists and hands if you aren't used to it.thaluikhain said: