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GloatingSwine

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Axioma said:
As for Harry Potter, Night Watch was not only compared to it, it was compared to it ON THE VERY COVER OF THE BOOK ITSELF.

In fact, Sergei Lukyanenko is called "JK Rowling, Russian Style" on the front cover. This is apparently meant to entice you to buy the book.
Of course, all this proves is that book publishers are fucking idiots. "This is the only fantasy author we've ever heard of, so hey, name drop!"

katsabas said:
I am not fond of Twilight. Mainly cause it is Shakespeare with saberteeth.
That's basically a gross insult to the entire literary tradition of the English language. You should hang your head in shame for making it. And possibly cut off a finger, Yakuza style, to remind you forever.
 

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GloatingSwine said:
katsabas said:
I am not fond of Twilight. Mainly cause it is Shakespeare with saberteeth.
That's basically a gross insult to the entire literary tradition of the English language. You should hang your head in shame for making it. And possibly cut off a finger, Yakuza style, to remind you forever.
That's MY opinion buddy. You don't like it? Tough break. And just so you know, I liked both Romeo And Juliet and the Taming of The Shrew. Oh and Hamlet. So you better think twice before you quote someone. If I want to see the real thing, I would pop in Shakespeare In Love and not Twilight. That's where I was going. Get me? Good.
 

ThreeWords

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Good review, but I think I missed something, as I still want to see the movie...

Jedamethis said:
Sweet review, it all fits! *conspiracy hat*
I want a conspiracy hat!
 

Jedamethis

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ThreeWords said:
Good review, but I think I missed something, as I still want to see the movie...

Jedamethis said:
Sweet review, it all fits! *conspiracy hat*
I want a conspiracy hat!
Find your own!
Only then can you be seen as a conspiracy theorist, and not part of it!
 

domble

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ThreeWords said:
Good review, but I think I missed something, as I still want to see the movie...

Jedamethis said:
Sweet review, it all fits! *conspiracy hat*
I want a conspiracy hat!
Oh definitely see it if you're into this kind of thing, its an interesting experience at least.
I didn't mention it in the actual review, mainly cos i wanted to seem arty and shit, but the effects are worth a look too. They're just done economically and it actually works pretty well.
 

Therumancer

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Heh, Brilliant review. Lulz ensued

Personally I blame 30 Days of Night for this, since it all seemed to start shortly after it's release.
I never realized this, but when I thought about it you're absolutely right.
Actually this is not correct, the entire thing started to fall apart around like the early 90s. It's simply that it's been getting increasingly more obnoxious as time has gone on. The original 30 Days Of Night three issue comic series wasn't until 2002 (I looked it up to be sure) and by then this whole modern "so goth to be dead" Vampire thing was in overdrive. Back in the mid-late 1990s a comic series called "Preacher" even had a character called Cassidy who was arguably a clever satire of the modern pop-culture vampire, and then took things as far as to have an entire cult of vampire poseurs lead by a real Vampire who was making a joke out of the entire thing by creating a persona based on "current" overdone vampire chic. The last issue of Preacher having come out in the year 2000 (I looked that up too just now).

In general while her writing wasn't totally original I look back at like Anne Rice as the person who started the whole thing. Anne Rice being a dark fantasy author who also writes erotic fiction like "Exit To Eden", "The Claiming Of Sleeping Beauty", and "Belinda". The entire sexed up vampire thing having what were some interesting ideas but rapidly turning into be what seemed to be her crusade to capture the ultimate boy on boy undead orgasm in text.

Her writings (especially before they got that bad) in turn spawned things like an RPG called "Nitelife" which in turn inspired a game called "Vampire: The Masquerade" that created a heavy duty mythology and drew in portions of the geek community. V:TM getting a lot of press coverage early on due to some crimes associated with it early on include an elaborate "Vampire Clan" sex scandal involving underage participants and muliple suicides. It's been a long time, but back when I was on BBS systems using things like Fidonet that was a huge occurance, and seemed to get more attention drawn to Vampire: The Masqerade than anything else.

A cult TV show called "Forever Knight" about a Vampire Detective called "Nick Knight" also appeared in the early 1990s and likewise inspired some interest in the whole "redemptive vampire" genere.


As a result of the relative success of the things above you gradually saw more and more writers jumping on the concept as being rife for exploitation. Where once it was relatively novel, you gradually saw romantic, redemptive, elitist "modern vampires" cropping up everywhere. "Anita Blake Vampire Hunter" being one of the long running book series, and of course we also saw a successful TV series "Buffy The Vampire Slayer" involving very similar themes in the late 1990s. By the time "Buffy" came to TV this was already a HUGE stereotype which is why it was seen as a potentially lucrative idea (and it paid off big time).

Somehow the entire vampire/goth chic thing managed to continue to convince it's fans and followers that it was somehow "new and hip" despite being "old and stereotypical". I mean if you think about it this has been going on for nearly 20 years.


The whole "Vampire Chic" thing has also spawned an entire "paranormal romance" genere right alongside it that is the domain of teenage girls, and overweight housewives, with the occasional sci-fi/fantasy nerd still retaining some interest. As time has gone on were wolves, witches, fairies, ghosts, and other supernatural things have all gotten involved with this stuff.

The basic "appeal" to the entire thing is the idea the fantasy of being chosen by some elite and powerful "aristocrat of the night" for your specialness and being elevated above everyone else. Pretty typical empowerment fantasy, it's just done with a lot of mythological creatures.


Oh and one final thing for those who read this far:

Truthfully while "Interview with a Vampire" was written back in 1973 (according to Anne Rice's wikipedia page) and is the earliest attempt in this kind of spin of things I can think of/verify, I think the "so hip to be dead" spin could be blamed on 1987's "The Lost Boys" which is really where the whole "sleep all day, party all night" immortal party boy thing really got started.... and ironically it was done for comedic value as much as anything.

Basically the point being that I think "30 Days Of Night" is simply another bandwagoner, albeit the Alaska spin was one of the more original gimmicks to use. Twilight is pretty much the essence of the entire subculture diluted down to sickly sweet and bubble gum and coca cola. Easy to follow, and hits all the bases. Plus the author probably was willing to sell out cheaper than others in the same game. Not quite my genere, but people that I know who are REALLY into the whole thing have told me the Twilight books are okay, but the "Sookie Stackhouse" books are better for example and the author of those managed to land an ongoing TV series which might be more profitable in the long run (although the movies probably result in a quicker short term gain).

Sadly if I had any talent as a writer I could probably make a fortune writing derivitive fiction about a pair of gay Irish vampires named Michael Fitzpatrick, and Patrick Fitzmichael who run an LA Fetish club. Throw in a drug dealing werewolf with pretensions of taking over their turf, a "Mary Sue" witch who is the only girl the vampires can stand to sleep with, and some nonsense about stoping a turf war between the powers of Faerie and enraged Native American spirits and well... New York Times bestseller list, here comes I!
 

domble

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Therumancer said:
pimppeter2 said:
Heh, Brilliant review. Lulz ensued

Personally I blame 30 Days of Night for this, since it all seemed to start shortly after it's release.
I never realized this, but when I thought about it you're absolutely right.
[HEADING=1]snip!!!![/HEADING]
lol this is a lot of musing for something intended to be a cheap warm up joke.
 

RanD00M

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And again i enter this thread.Hoping it to be about the book written by Terry Pratchett.
 

domble

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piscian said:
Hi, Your review bored me to the point of losing interest about halfway through so I apologize if I'm missing information. You just come off as ranty and trying too hard to be amusing. I would compare it to someone trying to comically explain why they didn't like pokemon rubi as much as green.

In the future you might wanna give a synopsis first and not immediately going into some diatribe about harry potter and twilight. Then you could tell a little back story about the film and explain the pros and cons.

I would go into the "you're wrong on every point" rant, but I lost interest before you got to actually discussing the differences between the book and the movie. I'll at least ask who in the hell compared this to harry potter when the movie or book was released? I was there for both. Didn't happen.

Goodluck with your well more of whatever it is you do.
Thanks for this, I don't get this kind of feedback much so it's nice to explain my methods rather than visiting thesaurus.com to find synonyms for the words thank you.

On your first point about a synopsis I work under the assumption that people have seen the film, that's why all my reviews have spoilers. If it's been seen I don't need to tell people what's happened, I just like to get in and discuss it straight away. Also I wasn't actually reviewing the film, I was reviewing adaptations of books and Night Watch just happened to be a pertinent example.

The second point about the franchise being compared to Harry Potter was actually a quote from the books, the Daily Telegraph says it's "JK Rowling, Russian style... [A] cracking read", which was a bit far from the mark to say the least.
The comparison to Twilight was harsh, this is true, but I made it very clear that I haven't read the book or seen the film so it renders any opinions I have of the franchise completely moot, I was going for an ironic statement about how many people rag on it for no reason - but your right, maybe a little obscure.

Now, the humour thing is a little trickier, so I'm gonna have to be lame and say it's a matter of opinion on that one. Some people like it, some don't. Can't please everyone :).

The final point is about the rant thing - that's just what I laughably refer to as my "style". I tried to made it balanced and recommended that people check it out because it's at least an interesting experience, just not the thing they were expecting because far too many things have to be changed to make it work on camera. But I completely understand how I come across sometimes

But yeah I'll take this away for my next one. I've got Pulp Fiction done so if you can give it a read and let me know what you think it'd be appreciated :).

--edit-- Oh and the nickname thing? completely true lol
 

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RAND00M said:
And again i enter this thread.Hoping it to be about the book written by Terry Pratchett.
lol fixed it now. Both are great books, Sam Vimes is my favourite character from Discworld.