Cage Defends Heavy Rain Striptease Scene
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Very interesting. It's good to see that Heavy Rain's developers are focusing on the reactions that they can get from their players, since it shows they care what we think, to an extent. I wish this was on the 360 too, but IIRC they haven't announced whether or not it'll be on the PS3 and nowhere else, so...*crosses fingers*
Its going to be hard for gaming to hit any kind of cultural maturity if petty things like this are going to be classed as controversial.
I've seen worse in hundreds of films that feature nudity for no contextual purpose, even music videos show women semi-naked dancing around, why not a game where it is used for a purpose.
I just watched it on Youtube, it is brief and its just underwear you see, nothing you couldnt see in a goddamn fashion magazine.
I've seen worse in hundreds of films that feature nudity for no contextual purpose, even music videos show women semi-naked dancing around, why not a game where it is used for a purpose.
I just watched it on Youtube, it is brief and its just underwear you see, nothing you couldnt see in a goddamn fashion magazine.
That was a good month...And it's going to be another, I'm planning to play that game again alongside Policenauts for the first time (I would prefer Snatcher, but I'll take what I have at this point).nilcypher said:
Either way, I'm not getting into the same crap people normally do when things like this come up, I'll just say that we have known since the last two or so generations that games are no longer for kids. They have said themselves that they want to make a game that is aimed at 25-35 year olds, and they should be allowed to do so. Gaming is a broad spectrum, we ain't in Kansas any more.
When a game is made from the ground up on the PS3, it's not going anywhere else. That's why the architecture is so fucked up, to prevent such things.The_Oracle said:
Oh no, there is most definitely nudity - there was a trailer floating around a while ago (in Polish, but I had the audio off anyways) and boobs/posteriors/possibly other bits were on full display. I don't remember if the camera ever pulled out far enough that it was showing full-frontal nudity, but she was definitely walking around naked at one point.Irridium said:
This is a bold and praiseworthy step by David Cage and the Quantic Dream team.
It's about time that we not only had nudity and sexuality in games but also a peek into the motivations behind them. I think it's fantastic that Heavy Rain will push ahead with this scene and not bow to pressure about misguided censorship efforts.
It's about time that we not only had nudity and sexuality in games but also a peek into the motivations behind them. I think it's fantastic that Heavy Rain will push ahead with this scene and not bow to pressure about misguided censorship efforts.
In the UK they were included in full. The sex mini-game with the ex-girlfirend, the full nudity shot of a prostitute jumping off a client when the door is knocked down and the close-up bizarrely laughable pointy polygon boobs, buttocks and low textured patch of hair while two characters are at it. It was a lot closer to the scene in Team America: World Police than a real movie. Perhaps with mocap and better graphic they will pull it off from an aesthetic point.
Of course none of the scenes were necessary in the story or character development, I think they just wanted to make it feel like they were doing a more mature game or almost a film. In which case they should have shut down the story about a third of the way in. It does sound like there's a reason to this scene in Heavy Rain though.
Of course none of the scenes were necessary in the story or character development, I think they just wanted to make it feel like they were doing a more mature game or almost a film. In which case they should have shut down the story about a third of the way in. It does sound like there's a reason to this scene in Heavy Rain though.
Why is this sort of thing still a big deal? If a scene like this was in a film, no one would bat an eye. We've known for ages that not all games are aimed at kids anymore...
Anyway, it's good to see the developers (seeming) to care about what gamers think.
Finally, a game that aims to evoke different emotions than what most mainstream titles go for. Seems like a step forward anyhow.
Anyway, it's good to see the developers (seeming) to care about what gamers think.
Finally, a game that aims to evoke different emotions than what most mainstream titles go for. Seems like a step forward anyhow.
Anyone know if this game is actually going to be any good?
The character models appear to have made some headway up the near side of the uncanny valley.
The character models appear to have made some headway up the near side of the uncanny valley.
If you are upset by stuff like this dont play the friggin game!!! I cant get why people complain about games having violence or nudity because if you know they have nudity or violence and you are uncomfortable with that DONT PLAY THEM AND STOP COMPLAINING!!!!!
So what Cage says he's trying to do here is make the player uncomfortable by making a character they have a personal connection to do something objectionable, like in Modern Warfare 2 in the No Russian level. On the other hand, I think this will only succeed if the player has some sort of an option, no matter how negative it might be. If the only way to proceed in the game is this striptease, then all it will do is drive a barrier between the player and the character. Still, judging by how Heavy Rain has marketed itself so far, I bet there is a choice, which makes the scene far more meaningful.
This has all been said before and better by Anthony Burch in his Rev Rant about character empathy, but I agree.
This has all been said before and better by Anthony Burch in his Rev Rant about character empathy, but I agree.