But what of the human rights of the majority that voted to live in a state without gay marriage?AndyFromMonday said:
Ah i get your point i suppose, it's a harsh world xDHyenaThePirate said:
Good lord man! This thread has accounted for like nearly half of your posts! Good Topic.Furious Styles said:
A little off-topic here but:Dexiro said:
. However they explained that most homosexuals won't even attempt to pull a straight guy... Waste of time. That truly turned my knowledge on homosexuals on it's head (Not that I was homophobic before then, just I was a little more ignorant than I am now).
Right because people who have sex with the dead are totaly intrested in marriage law.Zenofire said:
This took five seconds to find:warboss5 said:
Oh, the rest of the world doesn't have bigots? Really?Decabo said:
Not to draw a comparison, but if a close friend of yours admitted that they loved "little girls", and by "little" they meant 12 or 13, you would be accepting of that? You wouldn't change anything about how you associate with that person? After all, it is that friend's sexual preference right? It might seem like a far-out argument, but in many people's minds the two situations are not different at all.Dexiro said:Ah i get your point i suppose, it's a harsh world xDHyenaThePirate said:
Personally i'd never dream of losing a friend over anything like that, whether it be religion or sexuality or his immense love of apples. On the other hand that just means i can't relate, people feel strongly about things and that could put relationships on rough territory.
I hope one day everyone can be accustomed to such things though. Even a lot of gay people spend a lot of their life hating gays before they finally get used to the idea, it's like one big crash course in accepting the idea. Some might call it being in denial.
That gives me a spark of hope that anyone can eventually get used to the whole thing given enough time. Not necessarily with the crash course though
Well, that's the thing that people who trot out that argument forget: a marriage contract requires two legal consenting individuals. Last I checked, neither animals nor corpses are recognized as legal entities capable of signing documents, so marrying animals or corpses is right out. Unless we're talking about a kangaroo court I remember hearing about where a Pope ordered his predecessor exhumed and put him on trial for various crazy things?Knight Templar said:
To be fair, Nine and Ten were basically bisexual, or as much as the Doctor can be.HyenaThePirate said:
My usual argument in these places is that the "little girls" aren't really able to make an informed decision about the relationship, so it's wrong. But yeah, a lot of people would make that argument, if only to horrify people who aren't well informed. Or because they genuinely believe it, and I don't know which of those two is worse.HyenaThePirate said:
To be fair though... We are pretty lax about our laws regarding civil rights. The church doesn't really have much say in anything in England. Not that I'm accusing any other country of being backwards. Possibly a state or two in America but not the country.HyenaThePirate said:
Sorry to be the realist in this but odds are the only thing to change out of this is Calafona having to reconise out of state marriage licenses. Not having to give out there own. the law will probably just be re-worded or this whole thing will just be tied up in the courts.Scde2 said:
So the rights of a group (voluntary euthanasia, unborn babby) can be oppressed by 12 peoples moralityDecabo said:
That's why I said it was going to a long battle.direkiller said:
"Basically" denotes an assumption. While the possibility of bisexuality in the Doctor (more so the Ninth than Tenth) might have been hinted at from time to time especially with the inclusion of Captain Jack, it was left largely open to the interpretation by the individual viewer. Some could simply dismiss it as the Doctor is an extremely tolerant and peaceful being or even above base human concepts as bisexuality or for that matter inter-species sexuality. But no where does it clearly demonstrate the Doctor as having any other sexual orientation beyond heterosexual, considering the suggestion that the Doctor was married to River Song at some point and that whole "love thing" with Rose and Doctor Jane.Broken Blade said:
What constitutes an "informed decision"? From what I see in society, it looks like these kids are having more sex than I am! And I'm not certain what an informed decision about sex is and how it is made by anyone at ANY age... certainly plenty of "adults" have vastly different opinions and philosophies on the subject. And if you look or ask around, you'll find plenty of gay or homosexual people who will testify that they knew sexually they were gay at young ages leading to the argument that they are "born" that way, so it really depends on one's point of view. The entire discussion to be honest is completely subjective, accept for the part that gays, along with everyone else, have the right to all the priviledges and freedoms of everyone else.. and that people also have the right to dislike anyone that they very well please for just about any reason they very well please. Those are the only two immutable facts in the entire discussion.Broken Blade said:
That just leads me to think that a lot of people are gravely misinformed xD People believing that 2 consenting adult males is comparable with not-so-consenting minors is a bit of a stretch.HyenaThePirate said:Not to draw a comparison, but if a close friend of yours admitted that they loved "little girls", and by "little" they meant 12 or 13, you would be accepting of that? You wouldn't change anything about how you associate with that person? After all, it is that friend's sexual preference right? It might seem like a far-out argument, but in many people's minds the two situations are not different at all.Dexiro said:Ah i get your point i suppose, it's a harsh world xDHyenaThePirate said:
Personally i'd never dream of losing a friend over anything like that, whether it be religion or sexuality or his immense love of apples. On the other hand that just means i can't relate, people feel strongly about things and that could put relationships on rough territory.
I hope one day everyone can be accustomed to such things though. Even a lot of gay people spend a lot of their life hating gays before they finally get used to the idea, it's like one big crash course in accepting the idea. Some might call it being in denial.
That gives me a spark of hope that anyone can eventually get used to the whole thing given enough time. Not necessarily with the crash course though
IMHO (I'm no expert in law or government), A true Democracy would only work if all the citizens of the state had the same social class, ethinic background, and ideals. The fact is that, so long as one person has a different opinion, the integrity of democracy crumbles. At best their thoughts would be ignored. At worse, as is the case of Prop 8 and slavery, they would be entirely subjugated. So long as there is prejudice in the world, Democracy and civil rights of the minority are incompatible. This is why we have a constitution and the judges. The constitution limits the government, and thus the majority (though our constitution is fairly vague. I'm not even sure if calling something "unconstitutional" holds any more merit than "I find that rather cross"). The judges may decide not to enforce the laws at all if s/he deems it unconstitutional or, in this case, a violation of civil rights.Rubashov said:
