Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare Leaked, Releases November 4 - Update

[Sir Thomas Sean Connery]

Well, I'd describe my feelings as extremely cautious and apprehensive with a smidge of optimism.

As much as I love Spacey, his casting really just seems like cynical "what actor will sell more copies of this game" thinking.

As for the rest, it [i/]almost[/i] looked interesting. The title gives me a bit of hope in that they're trying to reinvent the brand again. Considering the last time they did that we got Call of Duty 4, I'm completely in support. The gadgets all looked neat and there was some pretty cool future tech on display.

The biggest issue for me is the thing that wasn't shown. Every single moment in the trailer where I started to get a little excited, I was slammed back down by remembering that every single potentially cool thing will be so absurdly linear a per-scripted that I might as well watch a movie.

The developer doesn't help much either. I was really hoping for another Treyarch CoD since those are, at the very least, always entertaining. But no. Instead it's the developer of the worst, most tedious piece of crap CoD game to ever come out, MW3.

Okay, I haven't been much of a fan of CoD since 4, but you guys know that the main two characters in the entire Modern Warfare series are British and Scottish right? Along with most of their task force. Hell, the bad guy in Modern Warfare 2 is an American general.

I haven't played Ghosts, but isn't that about America barely managing to keep itself running as a third world country being invaded?

I don't actually see the modern CoDs sticking with many "'Murican" stereotypes.

Sure, the villain was a rogue American in MW2, but the entire game was still based on the Russian invasion and subsequent defense of all the most pretty and patriotic sight seeing locations in DC.

MW3 was even worse. The Russians pull out of the US, then proceed to invade every European country at the same time. And who can save them? Murika. Not two weeks after fighting a massive battle on their home soil, the entire American military somehow manages to make counterattacks at every major European city that the Russians invaded with full armored groups and support from sea and air.

As for Ghosts, technically you're right, but it's presented in a way that still makes it seem like a flag waving exercise. The US is portrayed as the poor defenseless death-satellite building underdog, barely holding out against the horrific evil black cloud of greed and murder that is South America. There's literally an evil black cloud at the beginning. Watch the opening cut-scene.

The only one that did it right was Call of Duty 4 and maybe the Black Ops games.

 

[squeebles12]

Least it seems a little less "'Murica" than the the previous installments. I haven't been interested in a CoD game since MW2, this is a nice refreshing change of pace.

EDIT: Not that I'm gonna even consider buying it until I see some of the actual game-play of course. Just glad that the story doesn't seem to consist of masturbating into the american flag and then smothering yourself with it.

I wasn't impressed by the description of it at all and the screenshots looked terrible for some reason to me, but honestly after watching the trailer I found myself thinking it looked quite good. I'm also kinda impressed by Spacey as it sounds like for once we won't have a game that is based solely around the awe inspiring power of 'murica and how it protects every part of the world at the same time, a la Team America.
So for now I am going to be cautiously optimistic about this one.

Still think that no call of duty has ever been able to do good faces, for some reason they look like painted play dough

Okay, I haven't been much of a fan of CoD since 4, but you guys know that the main two characters in the entire Modern Warfare series are British and Scottish right? Along with most of their task force. Hell, the bad guy in Modern Warfare 2 is an American general.

I haven't played Ghosts, but isn't that about America barely managing to keep itself running as a third world country being invaded?

I don't actually see the modern CoDs sticking with many "'Murican" stereotypes.

Sure the main characters for the BRITISH side of the campaign were British but the main focus of the games were mostly about Americans being attacked and then fighting back and overcoming all the odds to keep their freedom, which sounds very American oorah etc etc.
Also even though the premise of ghosts was USA struggling to survive after being attacked, they pretty much couldn't go 5 minutes without going all Murica on it unfortunately, I mean they're supposedly knocked down with no way to fight back and have no support what so ever but then throughout the game your supposedly weak force tramples everything with tanks and choppers.

 

[Saucycarpdog]

MW3 was even worse. The Russians pull out of the US, then proceed to invade every European country at the same time. And who can save them? Murika. Not two weeks after fighting a massive battle on their home soil, the entire American military somehow manages to make counterattacks at every major European city that the Russians invaded with full armored groups and support from sea and air.

Don't forget the mission where you are an American in Germany trying to, instead of helping the country, save the US vice president there. And then you go to France to capture a bad guy, not helping the French whatsoever, and then proceed to destroy the Eiffel tower.

OT: Ah, I'll wait before I go buy this. The trailer for Black Ops 2 showed off badass drones, wall-climbing gloves, grappling hooks, invisibility cloaks, and jet battles.

Except none of that was in the multiplayer. This is probably the same thing.

 

[Sir Thomas Sean Connery]

MW3 was even worse. The Russians pull out of the US, then proceed to invade every European country at the same time. And who can save them? Murika. Not two weeks after fighting a massive battle on their home soil, the entire American military somehow manages to make counterattacks at every major European city that the Russians invaded with full armored groups and support from sea and air.

Don't forget the mission where you are an American in Germany trying to, instead of helping the country, save the US vice president there. And then you go to France to capture a bad guy, not helping the French whatsoever, and then proceed to destroy the Eiffel tower.

God damn, I forgot about that. That entire game is a blur of agony to me.

 

[MCerberus]

MW3 was even worse. The Russians pull out of the US, then proceed to invade every European country at the same time. And who can save them? Murika. Not two weeks after fighting a massive battle on their home soil, the entire American military somehow manages to make counterattacks at every major European city that the Russians invaded with full armored groups and support from sea and air.

Don't forget the mission where you are an American in Germany trying to, instead of helping the country, save the US vice president there. And then you go to France to capture a bad guy, not helping the French whatsoever, and then proceed to destroy the Eiffel tower.

God damn, I forgot about that. That entire game is a blur of agony to me.

I've just come to accept the modern CoDs as John Wayne movies: so morally simple it becomes stupid while having explicit "real American" values that do nothing but make things icky, forever tainted by the politics associated with it. Empty spectacle in a world where its contemporaries do it better. Only alive because it's being forced in front of enough eyeballs in the name of mass appeal.

 

[L34dP1LL]

One question? Is that Idris Elba? the soldier of the pic that was released?

 

[DrunkOnEstus]

The developer doesn't help much either. I was really hoping for another Treyarch CoD since those are, at the very least, always entertaining. But no. Instead it's the developer of the worst, most tedious piece of crap CoD game to ever come out, MW3.

If the executive meddling isn't too bad, it might not be as terrible as all that. Infinity Ward made MW3, but since they had lost most of their actual talent by that point, Sledgehammer helped them make it. The key members of Sledgehammer made 007: From Russia with Love with EA and went on to create Dead Space, leaving that franchise for Activision before it got fucked. They talked Activision into making a 3rd-person spinoff of CoD based on their experience with Dead Space, and worked on it for awhile until they were tasked with helping Infinity Ward not suck so bad with MW3 (I can only imagine how much worse MW3 would have been if Infinity Ward did it by themselves back then, based on Ghosts now).

So basically, it probably explains the whole exosuit business, and we know that there's actually good talent present in Sledgehammer Games, but this is their first real chance as a team to release a game with their name on it. I just want to know if they get even Treyarch levels of freedom with the franchise, or if they'll be "forced" to tow the CoD line quite a bit. I hope Activision just lets talented people do their thing, at the very least this means each CoD team gets 3 or so years for each title. I'm curious if the PC port is anything like Ghosts, because so far it seems like Treyarch is the team that knows what the hell they're doing.

 

[tangoprime]

Damn, that was an awesome House of Cards Season 3 Trailer! Can't wait to see what Frank Underwood will be up to this time.

Seriously though- Kevin Spacey is basically just playing Frank Underwood here, even down speaking cadence, so much so that I kept waiting for him to tap his knuckles on the table after making a point.

 

[Pogilrup]

Tell me when they make a game where the US military invades Middle Earth.

 

[AidoZonkey]

Im really split, I mean it looks good, and the mec suits just look great.I love the idea of a near future world (unlike black ops 2 which was 5 minutes in the future) and a ideology war is something im interested in.
On the other hand its call of duty, a series that has been making same game since modern warfare was released over 7 years ago.
If they put any effort into the single player and its not too yay America, I might be interested. If not, into the wasted potential pile you go

 

[Sir Thomas Sean Connery]

The developer doesn't help much either. I was really hoping for another Treyarch CoD since those are, at the very least, always entertaining. But no. Instead it's the developer of the worst, most tedious piece of crap CoD game to ever come out, MW3.

If the executive meddling isn't too bad, it might not be as terrible as all that. Infinity Ward made MW3, but since they had lost most of their actual talent by that point, Sledgehammer helped them make it. The key members of Sledgehammer made 007: From Russia with Love with EA and went on to create Dead Space, leaving that franchise for Activision before it got fucked. They talked Activision into making a 3rd-person spinoff of CoD based on their experience with Dead Space, and worked on it for awhile until they were tasked with helping Infinity Ward not suck so bad with MW3 (I can only imagine how much worse MW3 would have been if Infinity Ward did it by themselves back then, based on Ghosts now).

So basically, it probably explains the whole exosuit business, and we know that there's actually good talent present in Sledgehammer Games, but this is their first real chance as a team to release a game with their name on it. I just want to know if they get even Treyarch levels of freedom with the franchise, or if they'll be "forced" to tow the CoD line quite a bit. I hope Activision just lets talented people do their thing, at the very least this means each CoD team gets 3 or so years for each title. I'm curious if the PC port is anything like Ghosts, because so far it seems like Treyarch is the team that knows what the hell they're doing.

Well, the fact that the devs have actually made some quality things is certainly good news. I admit I did the laziest possible research on Sledgehammer and all I saw was their involvement in MW3, so I despaired.

As you say, hopefully they'll be given freedom, but I sort of doubt it. I'm getting a very "NEXT GEN, FLAGSHIP, GENRE CHANGING, LANDMARK, SERIES REDEFINING GAME!!1" vibe from this, so my guess is that Activision will want to make sure every last detail is exactly the way they want it.

Still just speculation though. It could be a different situation entirely.

 

[The White Hunter]

Advanced warfare? Have we already had one of those? I can't keep track

I'm hoping the downward slope will start...I think this gen needs to shake off last gens fashions

Downward slope started with the horrible pile of crap that was Ghosts.

OT: Still teabagging the quake 3 engine I see.

 

[DrunkOnEstus]

As you say, hopefully they'll be given freedom, but I sort of doubt it. I'm getting a very "NEXT GEN, FLAGSHIP, GENRE CHANGING, LANDMARK, SERIES REDEFINING GAME!!1" vibe from this, so my guess is that Activision will want to make sure every last detail is exactly the way they want it.

Still just speculation though. It could be a different situation entirely.

Not only that, "Advanced Warfare" is probably the most generic and bland subtitle I could conceive if I tried, and I would expect to be laughed out of the room if I came up with it, especially since this franchise has already given us 3 "Modern Warfare" games, and the genre has given us "Warfighter" and "Advanced Warfighter". Makes me wonder if "CoD: Men With Guns" and "CoD: Shooting of Dudes" has actually been tossed around.

Though if we get some (non-scripted) suit upgrading, jetpacks, no gravity, and single-player gun upgrading/customization a la the "Bench", this franchise might have piqued my interest. I'll just wait and see.

 

[McGuinty1]

Surely it has to be House of CODs?

This legit made me laugh.

Also, holy uncanny valley! I really wish they would spend this generation primarily improving their mocap and eye animation to the point where it's not really an issue anymore. That looks like an animatronic Kevin Spacey.

 

[Amaror]

Least it seems a little less "'Murica" than the the previous installments. I haven't been interested in a CoD game since MW2, this is a nice refreshing change of pace.

EDIT: Not that I'm gonna even consider buying it until I see some of the actual game-play of course. Just glad that the story doesn't seem to consist of masturbating into the american flag and then smothering yourself with it.

Really? Because i got quite a "Murica" wipe from it. How America was allways declaring their wars SOLELY to bring Democracy to those poor people. And how those countries are just too shit to let it stick afterwards.

That said, i haven't played any of the previous installments, accept Modern Warfare. I also haven't watched any Trailers for the other installments. I watched this one because Spacey's in it. So the others might have been a lot worse, i don't know.

 

[SonOfVoorhees]

When are they going to make a WW2 Cod game. These modern set games just bore me. I think its the historical setting that really grab me than the actual shooting.

 

[SonOfVoorhees]

Tell me when they make a game where the US military invades Middle Earth.

Soon they will run out of countries that they will either attack themselves or invent fake countries.

 

[deathbydeath]

Is it a bad thing that I think this actually looks pretty cool?

Depends. Do you think it's cool because Spacey's performance is excellent, because it's echoing Deus Ex 1, or because it's so racist the subtitle could've been "88 Warfare"?

 

[Sir Thomas Sean Connery]

As you say, hopefully they'll be given freedom, but I sort of doubt it. I'm getting a very "NEXT GEN, FLAGSHIP, GENRE CHANGING, LANDMARK, SERIES REDEFINING GAME!!1" vibe from this, so my guess is that Activision will want to make sure every last detail is exactly the way they want it.

Still just speculation though. It could be a different situation entirely.

Not only that, "Advanced Warfare" is probably the most generic and bland subtitle I could conceive if I tried, and I would expect to be laughed out of the room if I came up with it, especially since this franchise has already given us 3 "Modern Warfare" games, and the genre has given us "Warfighter" and "Advanced Warfighter". Makes me wonder if "CoD: Men With Guns" and "CoD: Shooting of Dudes" has actually been tossed around.

Though if we get some (non-scripted) suit upgrading, jetpacks, no gravity, and single-player gun upgrading/customization a la the "Bench", this franchise might have piqued my interest. I'll just wait and see.

I'll be excited if there's non-scripted... Anything.

I've played through (almost) all the CoDs just for posterity and my own morbid curiosity and I can while they generally aren't great, they've mostly been at least competent and relatively entertaining games. I finally got around to trying out Ghosts and I simply couldn't play more than 3 hours of it because it was so utterly, crushingly linear. Every single kill in most areas was predetermined. There would be short sections where I would get to choose which head I wanted to fire at in the chest-high wall shooting gallery, and then it was back to "Throw the grenade here/Pounce this guy here/Use the sniper on this or fail instantly."

As for the title, they're clearly trying to ape "Modern Warfare" and the incredible impact that had on the industry, but as you say, it's pretty bland. Actually, when I first saw the title earlier today, my first thought was that it was some kind of Call of Duty handheld or mobile game. It didn't sound like a title for an actual triple A game.

 

[cojo965]

Is it a bad thing that I think this actually looks pretty cool?

Depends. Do you think it's cool because Spacey's performance is excellent, because it's echoing Deus Ex 1, or because it's so racist the subtitle could've been "88 Warfare"?

What would you say if I said, neither?