Campaign for Real Time

[ZZ-Tops89]

I would like to address a very serious and relevant issue that, as a result of the recent film Terminator 4: Salvation, is coming to increasing prominence, and that is the misuse of time travel.

For those of you who do not know about it, the Campaign for Real Time is a universe-wide coalition of sentient lifeforms who seek to put a stop to time travel, as well as any glorification thereof. We believe that there a number of reasons why time travel is a horrible problem:

1. time travel leads to "time pollution". Time pollution means putting things in a given time that do not belong there. Futuristic technology, ideas, philosophies, and people, can all dramatically harm normal societal development. Imagine, for example, if laser ray guns had been left behind by errant time travelers in ancient Greece and it changed the course of human development dramatically. Not to mention tat future societies could literaly use the past as a dumping ground for their garbage. Imagine future humans using modern-day Times Square as a dumping ground for radioactive waste. If they decided to do this, we would have no way of preventing it and it would have the capacity to kill millions of humans now.

2. Paradoxes. Quite simply, time travel leads to a number of strange physical and conceptual problems, most of which are fairly well-known.

3. Loss of regard for actions' consequences. If time travel becomes acceptable, people will no longer care about their own safety or act rationally since any bad decisions could be undone. People wouldn't wear seatbelts, drive safely, or care for their own health since they could simply go back in time and undo an harms that occurred.

These are just some of the largest problems time travel creates. Now, I know that most of you will now be asking the big question: what can I do to help the Campaign for Real Time?! Here's how you can help:

1. Protest any attempt to use time travel or promote it as desirable.
2. Boycott any product or service that uses time travel or is provided by a supporter of time travel.
3. Protest any positive portrayals of time travel and support limits on the ways time travel may be portrayed.
4. Tell your family and friends about the Campaign for Real Time and organize events with people in your area (and time).

We should not, and indeed, can not stop the Campaign for Real Time until we no longer are threatened by time travel, in all of its manifestations. Remember, If you want to save Now, Act Now!

 

[ZZ-Tops89]

I'd like to go back in time to stop you from posting this.

Exactly why we need the Campaign for Real Time! Time travel would lead to "Time Terrorism" in which people might go back in time and suppress causes they disagree with. Imagine if the British went back in time and killed America's founding fathers, or if KKK members went back in time and stopped the North from winning the Civil War, as well as preventing integration. Even if the supporters of good, opposing causes went back to undo those changes, it would lead to "time wars" in which social issues would be fought over by time travellers as well as people from the appropriate times. The different sides on any social issue could become so entrenched and fervent that the issues would become unsolvable.

 

[ORLOFT]

Please post more information on your credentials and accredidations, the credentials and accredidations of your organization and proof of harm caused by time travel. Theories do not cut it, we need actual proof of harm. Also, given the gravity of the situation, I think it is reasonable for you to site your sources.

-ORLOFT
Leader of the SYTC (Screw Your Timeline Coalition)

 

[ElephantGuts]

But, if you hate time machines, then can't you just wait for time machines to be invented, then go back in time to stop them from being invented? That way, you don't have to waste all this time campaigning like this.

Idiot.

 

[ZerOmega]

What is this? Nazi Germany? There are some really good time-travel based stories out there. Banning a certain fiction topic because it has not produced many good stories reacently doesn't mean that it will not do so in the future.

Have a little faith, people.


Oh and don't you dare to tell me that you're trying to protest against actual time travelin. That would just be silly. Not even 'hah-hah' -silly, I mean 'an extra chromosome' -silly.

 

[ZZ-Tops89]

But, if you hate time machines, then can't you just wait for time machines to be invented, then go back in time to stop them from being invented? That way, you don't have to waste all this time campaigning like this.

Idiot.

Yes, but time travellers could always prevent us from doing this. In order to prevent time travel you need to stop it before it starts.

Please post more information on your credentials and accredidations, the credentials and accredidations of your organization and proof of harm caused by time travel. Theories do not cut it, we need actual proof of harm. Also, given the gravity of the situation, I think it is reasonable for you to site your sources.

-ORLOFT
Leader of the SYTC (Screw Your Timeline Coalition)

I don't have any sources to cite, and I don't need credentials or accreditations to prove that time travel is bad.

 

[ZZ-Tops89]

What is this? Nazi Germany? There are some really good time-travel based stories out there. Banning a certain fiction topic because it has not produced many good stories reacently doesn't mean that it will not do so in the future.

Have a little faith, people.


Oh and don't you dare to tell me that you're trying to protest against actual time travelin. That would just be silly. Not even 'hah-hah' -silly, I mean 'an extra chromosome' -silly.

Physicists, fueled in part by a desire to experiment with the unknown, have concluded that there are potential possibilities for actual time travel. The physics is a bit sketchy, but if we conclude that time travel is possible even with our limited scientific knowledge, then once we know more we may end up being tempted to actually try it. This could happen hundreds of years from now, or only ten years from now.

 

[ElephantGuts]

But, if you hate time machines, then can't you just wait for time machines to be invented, then go back in time to stop them from being invented? That way, you don't have to waste all this time campaigning like this.

Idiot.

Yes, but time travellers could always prevent us from doing this. In order to prevent time travel you need to stop it before it starts.

Well wouldn't you just go far enough back in time to stop the time travellers before they can stop you from stopping them?

 

[Skeleon]

I thought this was going to be about changing our time measurements to decimal or something.

Anyway, I'll help you by not time-travelling!
It's a big inconvinience to suddenly stop doing it after all these year-month-second-week-minutes, but I promise I will.

 

[ZZ-Tops89]

But, if you hate time machines, then can't you just wait for time machines to be invented, then go back in time to stop them from being invented? That way, you don't have to waste all this time campaigning like this.

Idiot.

Yes, but time travellers could always prevent us from doing this. In order to prevent time travel you need to stop it before it starts.

Well wouldn't you just go far enough back in time to stop the time travellers before they can stop you from stopping them?

It's an unending cycle. They could always prevent you from traveling back in time to prevent time travel anyways. Also, you can't go back in time infinitely since the universe did have a beginning, not to mention that some time periods (such as the aforementioned) would be inhospitable for any living being.

 

[ZerOmega]

Physicists, fueled in part by a desire to experiment with the unknown, have concluded that there are potential possibilities for actual time travel. The physics is a bit sketchy, but if we conclude that time travel is possible even with our limited scientific knowledge, then once we know more we may end up being tempted to actually try it. This could happen hundreds of years from now, or only ten years from now.

Teleportation was regarded as silly in the same way as time travel not so long ago, but now some scientists are claiming they have been able to teleport basic particles.

I'm not here to argue whether or not time travel is possible. I'm here to argue that we should not be afraid of something that we do not know yet. If we ban something before we have even had an opportunity to understand it, we deny that knowledge from ourselves. It's like closing a restaurant due to a failed health inspection before the whole building is even constructed.

Look, it's the same thing about gene manipulated food. Everyone has a opinion, but very few have any little real knowledge. In this case, no one has any conclusive knowledge.

To be compleatly honest, I doubt your motives for this thread.

 

[Seydaman]

i thought this was about using real time in games...oh well i really don't care

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

This is just a plot to prevent us from being our own fathers, isn't it? Self-fathers are tired of being labeled as sexual deviants and sins against nature. It wasn't a choice, it's the way they were born. This kind of bigotry isn't funny, it's wrong.

This campaign of hate is just a thinly veiled attempt at "cleansing" self-parents from our society.

 

[ZZ-Tops89]

Physicists, fueled in part by a desire to experiment with the unknown, have concluded that there are potential possibilities for actual time travel. The physics is a bit sketchy, but if we conclude that time travel is possible even with our limited scientific knowledge, then once we know more we may end up being tempted to actually try it. This could happen hundreds of years from now, or only ten years from now.

Teleportation was regarded as silly in the same way as time travel not so long ago, but now some scientists are claiming they have been able to teleport basic particles.

I'm not here to argue whether or not time travel is possible. I'm here to argue that we should not be afraid of something that we do not know yet. If we ban something before we have even had an opportunity to understand it, we deny that knowledge from ourselves. It's like closing a restaurant due to a failed health inspection before the whole building is even constructed.

Look, it's the same thing about gene manipulated food. Everyone has a opinion, but very few have any little real knowledge. In this case, no one has any conclusive knowledge.

To be compleatly honest, I doubt your motives for this thread.

The problem with allowing time travel to exist at all would make it then impossible to undo since its proponents could crush any previous or ongoing opposition via usage of time travel. Thus, your restaurant analogy is inaccurate since it assumes a fixed time line; something which time travel would obviously do away with. Specifically in terms of that analogy, time travel would allow the owner of the restaurant to travel back in time and bribe the inspector to approve the restaurant, or he could go back and have the health rules changed to allow the restaurant to be built. The point is, once time travel exists it's impossible to undo that so long as even one person who has access to it wants to keep having time travel.

My motives are very simple: Make sure time travel doesn't happen.

 

[Conveant0]

Time pollution means putting things in a given time that do not belong there. Futuristic technology, ideas, philosophies, and people, can all dramatically harm normal societal development. Imagine, for example, if laser ray guns had been left behind by errant time travelers in ancient Greece and it changed the course of human development dramatically.

2. Paradoxes. Quite simply, time travel leads to a number of strange physical and conceptual problems, most of which are fairly well-known.

You do realise, that if a device was left in the past which was of a higher technological significance... then that is how the past has been shaped, meaning you were going to do it anyway?

Example, the Mathmatician Alan Turing recieves the information from you, regarding how you can crack the Lorenz Cipher intime for World War 2 (It was vital in cracking mutiple codes and creating 'Colloseus', the machine to do it). That would mean you have changed time so that in the future, you can go back and give it him. If you had not done so in the first place, the outcome could be you were never born to send it back anyway (Possible relatives never meeting or not living through the war).

This may associate with your paradox point as well. Say you did send an advanced weapon back in time to the Greeks for example, or an assortment of weapons. How will it change time, if that was meant to happen to bring in a world where you go back intime to give them anyway? You may only know of the weapons existance in the future, as a legendary battle where they triumphed with the power of 'the Gods'. You shouldn't be able to create a parradox, because if you're going back in time to do this, then that must mean you have already done so, and it will repeat at all stages of time, thus keeping time parradox free (No end of the Universe for you).

Step by Step approach

1. Greeks recieve M16 assault rifles from you (Name a weapon of your choice, it doesn't matter)
2.Greeks use guns in battle. To the modern day observer, battle becomes legendary with crushing victory.
3.Has not changed modern day, as this will of meant to happen, meaning you have not caused an entire civilization to change. This means you now go back to step one, and give them the weapons to the battle you know.

Incased you haven't noticed, no I don't believe you'll cause a paradox. If a future space craft/vessel crash lands in the 1950's, I'd assume it's probably how you incorperate large advances in technology, or the need to suppress said technologly, to prevent a paradox, meaning one doesn't happen and it's how the timeline of events will inevitably occur.



I'll probably have to come back to this, read word a few things.

 

[Dr Ampersand]

I dislike this campaign as InFamous has sequel potential. Also I wish to go back in time to become Limboeus the Greek god of limbo dancing.

 

[ZerOmega]

My motives are very simple: Make sure time travel doesn't happen.

You fanatic enviromentalists / selfpointed religious morality guardians have always been a slowing down the science! Let us first inspect the case thoroughly before jumping into any conclusions. Paradoxes, time pollution are not proven to exsist and before they are, all you can do is to scare us with are poor ghost stories.

 

[ORLOFT]

But, if you hate time machines, then can't you just wait for time machines to be invented, then go back in time to stop them from being invented? That way, you don't have to waste all this time campaigning like this.

Idiot.

Yes, but time travellers could always prevent us from doing this. In order to prevent time travel you need to stop it before it starts.

Please post more information on your credentials and accredidations, the credentials and accredidations of your organization and proof of harm caused by time travel. Theories do not cut it, we need actual proof of harm. Also, given the gravity of the situation, I think it is reasonable for you to site your sources.

-ORLOFT
Leader of the SYTC (Screw Your Timeline Coalition)

I don't have any sources to cite, and I don't need credentials or accreditations to prove that time travel is bad.

You're right, you do not need credentials or accreditations to prove time travel is bad, but you do need to prove time travel is bad. So where is your proof?

 

[ZZ-Tops89]

But, if you hate time machines, then can't you just wait for time machines to be invented, then go back in time to stop them from being invented? That way, you don't have to waste all this time campaigning like this.

Idiot.

Yes, but time travellers could always prevent us from doing this. In order to prevent time travel you need to stop it before it starts.

Please post more information on your credentials and accredidations, the credentials and accredidations of your organization and proof of harm caused by time travel. Theories do not cut it, we need actual proof of harm. Also, given the gravity of the situation, I think it is reasonable for you to site your sources.

-ORLOFT
Leader of the SYTC (Screw Your Timeline Coalition)

I don't have any sources to cite, and I don't need credentials or accreditations to prove that time travel is bad.

You're right, you do not need credentials or accreditations to prove time travel is bad, but you do need to prove time travel is bad. So where is your proof?

Since the question of whether time travel is bad has no inherent answer (although I would say it's readily apparant that it is) because evidence can be brought on either side, I would say that my analytical reasons for why time travel is bad are strong evidence that time travel is bad. I doubt one could PROVE time travel is good or bad, much like I doubt one can PROVE that abortion is good or bad; it's not a math problem where there is only one answer. However, I have provided several strong analytical reasons to reject time travel.

 

[ORLOFT]

But, if you hate time machines, then can't you just wait for time machines to be invented, then go back in time to stop them from being invented? That way, you don't have to waste all this time campaigning like this.

Idiot.

Yes, but time travellers could always prevent us from doing this. In order to prevent time travel you need to stop it before it starts.

Please post more information on your credentials and accredidations, the credentials and accredidations of your organization and proof of harm caused by time travel. Theories do not cut it, we need actual proof of harm. Also, given the gravity of the situation, I think it is reasonable for you to site your sources.

-ORLOFT
Leader of the SYTC (Screw Your Timeline Coalition)

I don't have any sources to cite, and I don't need credentials or accreditations to prove that time travel is bad.

You're right, you do not need credentials or accreditations to prove time travel is bad, but you do need to prove time travel is bad. So where is your proof?

Since the question of whether time travel is bad has no inherent answer (although I would say it's readily apparant that it is) because evidence can be brought on either side, I would say that my analytical reasons for why time travel is bad are strong evidence that time travel is bad. I doubt one could PROVE time travel is good or bad, much like I doubt one can PROVE that abortion is good or bad; it's not a math problem where there is only one answer. However, I have provided several strong analytical reasons to reject time travel.

Your analytical reasons are not strong. They are based on POSSIBLE side effects of a technology that does not exist. In short, you are hypothosizing on theories of Science Fiction. We don't even know if time travel is possible, because "time" may not even be real. That is to say it may not be tangible. Because of this, your analytical reasoning, and warnings, cannot and should not be taken seriously or given any credence, specifically in a scientific setting.

That being said, I would like to start a campaign against the Boogieman! He is bad because I said so, and I have the movies to back it up!