Forget campers. Followers, the person who only goes after you, are the real annoyance. Campers a little but they can be easily dealt with.
camping, am i the only one that has a real problem with campers?
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Quoted for truth. Every single maneuver in every single game can be countered. Snipers standing in a tower? Toss grenades. Some dude sitting in one place using his rockets to cover a large area of the map? Good for him, he found a strategic advantage... Now get a sniper rifle and make it YOUR advantage.Vorocano said:
People who ***** about any one tactic in a game are usually just doing it because A) they're unable to find a counter, B) something USED to be legitimately broken but people don't know/care that it got fixed and complain about it more, or C) VERY RARELY something legitimately IS broken.
People who whine about snipers in a sniper spot fill A.
People who are still complaining about the Demoman in TF2 fill B.
A special spot on the map where you can't be hit thanks to some poorly made architecture fills C.
I never really had a problem with campers. I usually outsmarted them by the end of the game. (If the best tactic they could come up with is to stay in one spot then they can't be too bright.)
I think camping is not cheating. Potential kills are larger than potential deaths. Really, I'm more of an 'anything goes' type of person when viewing these games, but there are some obviously cheap tactics (like spawn camping).
Spawn camping in real life? like, shooting babies that are destined to be soldiers, when they are born? Mean stuff man.Dart378 said:
TF2 killed spawn camping in the face with the respawn rooms and resupply rooms. Resupply rooms are safe - but if some dolt stands by the door when an enemy soldier/medic combo passes your screwed. But in the respawn room your untouchable.
Also, as for regular camping, its often just a good stealthy way of killing people. And you cant really complain if the 'camper' kills three passer-bys and then moves to a different sniping position. Snipers werent really made for moving about. get over it ^^
Also, as for regular camping, its often just a good stealthy way of killing people. And you cant really complain if the 'camper' kills three passer-bys and then moves to a different sniping position. Snipers werent really made for moving about. get over it ^^
My opinions with regards to spawn camping are summed up here [http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20060826.jpg] quite nicely. It's a cowardly tactic that can break the game completely, and that's a pity, as the only thing keeping players from camping at times can be the honor system. And we all know how much people love the honor system...
Actually in BF2 snipers do have to move about quite a bit. I play sniper a lot of the time, when I am not blowing shit up from 600ft in a plane. The only time a sniper can hold a single position in that game is
a). If you are playing against a team of total muppets who have no idea where the best sniping spots are and thus spend their time camped at the jet spawns with big targets painted to their heads.
b). If you're part of a winning team and the enemy only has one spawn point left. Most of the players on the other team are far to focused on keeping out armour and men trying to cap the spawn. If you set up a sniping spot just outside the key flag cap zone then you'll generally get away with being spotted by the otherwise engaged enemy.
However the game has a lot of decent snipers and most of a snipers time is taken up spotting and taking out other snipers. That means you have two choices.
a). Closer range kills; that means you'll get three maybe four kills before either the other teams commander pings your location or another member of the opposite team twigs where you are. Stay put and you'll be toast once he calls your position out. So you have to have three decent sniping spots and keep moving between them after every three or four kills.
b). Ranged shots; you don't have to move as often and their is less chance of you getting twigged by a member of the other team. The commander may spot you but if you're far enough away most team members will just ignore you so it usually ends up with the commander artying your arse. Of course the downside to this is the fact the kills are harder to get.
Oh and as is the case with most games, you find that the people that complain the most about a tactic are the ones that lack the talent to do the same thing effectively themselves or don't have the skill to over come it. I think all chopper gunners in BF2 are macro using cheaters based solely on the fact that I bite ass in an attack chopper.
Eight pages of comments, I'll make mine short and sweet, and agree with roughly 2/3 of the people here:
Camping(sitting in one places and picking off people): Legitimate Strategy. Enough ways to screw the camper, so if you got shot, get over it.
Sniping: It's like camping, but with a rifle, and a brain. A sniper knows that they only get one to three shots off and then they have to move or get fragged.. It's camping, but with intelligence.
Spawn Camping: It's not fun, it's not fair, and if you do it, you're a douche. It's exploiting a flaw in the game, and just don't do it. You're not playing the game anymore, you're just ruining it for everyone else.
'nuff said.
Camping(sitting in one places and picking off people): Legitimate Strategy. Enough ways to screw the camper, so if you got shot, get over it.
Sniping: It's like camping, but with a rifle, and a brain. A sniper knows that they only get one to three shots off and then they have to move or get fragged.. It's camping, but with intelligence.
Spawn Camping: It's not fun, it's not fair, and if you do it, you're a douche. It's exploiting a flaw in the game, and just don't do it. You're not playing the game anymore, you're just ruining it for everyone else.
'nuff said.
Say I concede your point, then what? The person wasn't unkillable and if a game grossly rewards camping as opposed to movement then it's either how the developers intended it to be played (probably unlikely) or the design of the game is poor.apsham said:
I mean clearly camping is granted as passable in certain instances, yes? In CTF if you have some people guarding your flag it would be absurd to accuse them of being cheap. Are they camping? Yes, but in such a situation is it not justifiable? It's a tactical decision with clear advantage in objective based gameplay.