Can vegans...

[fletch_talon]

2. Yes, because the animal doesn't have to be killed first.

The wool you wear was cut from a sheep with a wicked sharp set of shears. That sheep was wrestled to the ground & held down as it was shaven all over with those big shears, thrashing about, getting nicked all over.

Just thought you might want to know.

I've seen a sheep being shaved, they don't always struggle as much as you would think, and a professional sheep shearer will rarely nick the sheep (you don't want to make a mess or distress the animal more than necessary).

Not saying your wrong, but you are exaggerating a bit.
If you want to call the wool industry cruel you need only point to the practice of mulesing.

Its where they clip the skin around the sheeps rear until it dies and drops off. Its done for good reason though, as seen here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulesing

 

[Leg End]

Can who do what now?

Because you truly are a Spoony Bard. In the good sense of the phrase. That deserves a Brofist of epic proportions. XD

OT: Um... lemme ask my sister, she's vegan.
BRB

EDIT: Depends on the vegan. In many cases, No No and Yes.

Though, I didn't even have to ask her. She's asleep. XD

 

[ultrachicken]

Can Vegans (i guess im talking about ethical vegans mainly)...
wear leather?
wear wool?
use fossil fuels (coal, petroleum, and natural gas)? cos fossil fuels are basicly made up of dead organisms (including animals).

Hope you can quench my curiosity

~Ish

I know of a Vegan who would eat fish and animal IF AND ONLY IF caught or killed it herself. It was the only way the she deemed it ethically sound.

... I don't get it.

 

[Drakmeire]

I don't think they can but I do know that they can use telekinesis, fly, punch holes in the moon and style their hair instantly.
also whatever this is.
http://falconflightstudios.webs.com/toddingram_freakout_a.gif

 

[MercurySteam]

Can Vegans (i guess im talking about ethical vegans mainly)...
wear leather?
wear wool?
use fossil fuels (coal, petroleum, and natural gas)? cos fossil fuels are basicly made up of dead organisms (including animals).

Dunno, but they sure can play bass:

I don't think they can but I do know that they can use telekinesis, fly, punch holes in the moon and style their hair instantly.
also whatever this is.
http://falconflightstudios.webs.com/toddingram_freakout_a.gif

Watch my vid and you'll get it.

 

[luclin92]

yes they can wear leather but they wont do it in fear of getting attaced by other environmental activist. (it is like this in my neighborhood)
yes they can wear wool if they want.
yes they can use fossil fuel since it is sometimes hell to us a electric car.

 

[Greenhand]

What I'd like to know is whether or not vegans can eat honey.
Bees make it, but less in a cow = milk way and more of a leafcutter ant = that fungus that they eat way.

 

[captaincabbage]

1. No, because the animal has to be killed first.
2. Yes, because the animal doesn't have to be killed first.
3. Yes, because the fuels came from animals (and plants) that weren't specifically killed for the purpose of creating the fuel.

2. So it's okay for an animal to be bred, locked up and harvested periodically as long as it isn't killed?

OT: I'm glad I'm not vegan, since I probably wouldn't make a very good one. I wouldn't even be able to keep my psychic powers for a full week before Thomas Jane burst dowm my wall.

 

[WolfThomas]

Vegans can't drink some wines and beers. They use fish scales as part of a filtering process.

 

[BonsaiK]

1. No, because the animal has to be killed first.
2. Yes, because the animal doesn't have to be killed first.
3. Yes, because the fuels came from animals (and plants) that weren't specifically killed for the purpose of creating the fuel.

2. So it's okay for an animal to be bred, locked up and harvested periodically as long as it isn't killed?

Depends on how the animal is treated. Some vegans will refuse to wear wool but most won't if they know that the animals are being treated in a way that isn't cruel (and yes, they do often research this on a company-by-comany basis). Whether it's "okay", hey, don't ask me, I'm not a vegan, I just happen to know a lot about this because I have lots of vegan friends.

 

[captaincabbage]

1. No, because the animal has to be killed first.
2. Yes, because the animal doesn't have to be killed first.
3. Yes, because the fuels came from animals (and plants) that weren't specifically killed for the purpose of creating the fuel.

2. So it's okay for an animal to be bred, locked up and harvested periodically as long as it isn't killed?

Depends on how the animal is treated. Some vegans will refuse to wear wool but most won't if they know that the animals are being treated in a way that isn't cruel (and yes, they do often research this on a company-by-comanby basis). Whether it's "okay", hey, don't ask me, I'm not a vegan, I just happen to know a lot about this because I have lots of vegan friends.

Alrighty then, good to have that cleared up, thanks.

 

[Krion_Vark]

Can Vegans (i guess im talking about ethical vegans mainly)...
wear leather?
wear wool?
use fossil fuels (coal, petroleum, and natural gas)? cos fossil fuels are basicly made up of dead organisms (including animals).

Hope you can quench my curiosity

~Ish

I know of a Vegan who would eat fish and animal IF AND ONLY IF caught or killed it herself. It was the only way the she deemed it ethically sound.

... I don't get it.

Most vegans not the PETA vegans. Say that they will not eat anything because they do not agree with how it is acquired. This person would hunt and fish themselves so that they could say that they agree with how they got the food.

 

[ultrachicken]

1. No, because the animal has to be killed first.
2. Yes, because the animal doesn't have to be killed first.
3. Yes, because the fuels came from animals (and plants) that weren't specifically killed for the purpose of creating the fuel.

2. So it's okay for an animal to be bred, locked up and harvested periodically as long as it isn't killed?

Depends on how the animal is treated. Some vegans will refuse to wear wool but most won't if they know that the animals are being treated in a way that isn't cruel (and yes, they do often research this on a company-by-comany basis). Whether it's "okay", hey, don't ask me, I'm not a vegan, I just happen to know a lot about this because I have lots of vegan friends.

That's not what I meant. I'm confused as to why killing an animal yourself is somehow more morally correct than having someone else do it for you.

 

[BonsaiK]

1. No, because the animal has to be killed first.
2. Yes, because the animal doesn't have to be killed first.
3. Yes, because the fuels came from animals (and plants) that weren't specifically killed for the purpose of creating the fuel.

2. So it's okay for an animal to be bred, locked up and harvested periodically as long as it isn't killed?

Depends on how the animal is treated. Some vegans will refuse to wear wool but most won't if they know that the animals are being treated in a way that isn't cruel (and yes, they do often research this on a company-by-comany basis). Whether it's "okay", hey, don't ask me, I'm not a vegan, I just happen to know a lot about this because I have lots of vegan friends.

That's not what I meant. I'm confused as to why killing an animal yourself is somehow more morally correct than having someone else do it for you.

I don't believe that it is, and I haven't heard anyone else who believes that it is either, on either side of the pro/anti vegan debate. I'm not where you're getting that particular angle on things from, because I don't see that being said anywhere in any posts in this thread, or anywhere else for that matter.

 

[ultrachicken]

snip

Don't ask me how it happened, but I meant to quote this guy, and ended up quoting you. Whoops.

Can Vegans (i guess im talking about ethical vegans mainly)...
wear leather?
wear wool?
use fossil fuels (coal, petroleum, and natural gas)? cos fossil fuels are basicly made up of dead organisms (including animals).

Hope you can quench my curiosity

~Ish

I know of a Vegan who would eat fish and animal IF AND ONLY IF caught or killed it herself. It was the only way the she deemed it ethically sound.

... I don't get it.

Most vegans not the PETA vegans. Say that they will not eat anything because they do not agree with how it is acquired. This person would hunt and fish themselves so that they could say that they agree with how they got the food.

That's not what I meant. I'm confused as to why killing an animal yourself is somehow more morally correct than having someone else do it for you.

 

[Lukeje]

2. Yes, because the animal doesn't have to be killed first.

The wool you wear was cut from a sheep with a wicked sharp set of shears. That sheep was wrestled to the ground & held down as it was shaven all over with those big shears, thrashing about, getting nicked all over.

Just thought you might want to know.

...but the sheep has to be sheared; there is a very strong chance that it will overheat/die of very nasty diseases/parasites, etc. otherwise. Isn't genetic engineering (the sort farmers have been practicing for centuries, not the more recent kind) fun?

 

[ColeusRattus]

Many in here confuse two terms: Vegans and Vegetarians.

Vegetarians are defined by not eating meat. The purchase of leather goods etc. is up to personal morale.

Vegans on the other hand, are living by a philosophy that they don't buy, use or consume products which were generated by "exploiting" animals, including, but not limited to meat, leather, milk, honey, wool etc.
I kid you not when I say that one I read a forum thread where vegans discussed if it was okay to swallow after a bj!

So to answer the question of the OP:

For Vegans:
1) Nope
2) Nope
3) Yes

For Vegetarians:
1) Depends
2) Yes
3) Yes

And to the poster above me: The Vegans state that the expoitation started by capturing and breeding animals in a way they need further exploitation to survive, like milking cows or shear sheep.
And a disclaimer: I am neither Vegan nor Vegetarian.

 

[Balls Mandingo]

I live with a vegan chick. They don't eat any animal products or anything made from animal products. No meats, milk, cheese, even certain alcohols that use animal bone filters

1) Leather no, made from an animal
2) Generally yes since an animal isn't killed but some of the crazier ones might
3) Generally yes since animals aren't actually killed but a lot of vegans ride bikes (at least the ones I know)

 

[ginger_vitus]

would it still be wrong for a vegan to eat a giant plate of Salad with little bacon bits in it?

Yes. A vegan wouldn't eat that.

Except Bac-Os. They're actually 100% soy, and were one of the first imitation-meat products mass-produced in the US. BAM! History.

As to the original q's, it depends on the vegan. I know a number of vegans who only do the dietary thing, myself included, either because they're just making a statement about the food industry and not animal rights, or because they aspire to have a totally vegan lifestyle, but don't have the spare cash around to throw out their Doc Martens/Wool Blankets and replace them with non-animal alternatives, or because they've yet to find vegan-friendly products that perform as well as they need to. Depending on what specifically we're talking about, I could cite a personal example for all three. (And yeah, I know TONS of people who want my vegan powers revoked for that.)
But the one I really wanna nail down is the fossil fuels. The truth is, there's no such thing as a "pure" vegan. Anyone who claims this is either delusional or rabidly immature. Why? Because there's animal in everything. If you drive, take a bus, or ride a bike to work or school, never mind the gas, there's an animal bone derivative in tire rubber, and in most shoe rubber too. If you take any kind of medication for anything, not only has it absolutely been tested on animals in the past (FDA regulations require it), but it probably has gelatin or bone char in it. But no sensible person would advocate that you stop taking prescribed meds or walk everywhere barefoot to stick to the letter of the law of veganism. It's incredibly short-sighted and counterproductive to the cause at large. It just makes the sane vegans seem like assholes.
So in short, no vegan eats meat, poultry, fish, dairy products, eggs, or any other animal product. If you see one wearing a wool cap or a leather jacket or using a commercial toiletry product or whatever, it doesn't disqualify them, it just means they have different priorities or are poor or need to use normal stuff or whatever. Anything beyond the dietary is case-by-case and (imho) not as important.

 

[BonsaiK]

snip

Don't ask me how it happened, but I meant to quote this guy, and ended up quoting you. Whoops.

Can Vegans (i guess im talking about ethical vegans mainly)...
wear leather?
wear wool?
use fossil fuels (coal, petroleum, and natural gas)? cos fossil fuels are basicly made up of dead organisms (including animals).

Hope you can quench my curiosity

~Ish

I know of a Vegan who would eat fish and animal IF AND ONLY IF caught or killed it herself. It was the only way the she deemed it ethically sound.

... I don't get it.

Most vegans not the PETA vegans. Say that they will not eat anything because they do not agree with how it is acquired. This person would hunt and fish themselves so that they could say that they agree with how they got the food.

That's not what I meant. I'm confused as to why killing an animal yourself is somehow more morally correct than having someone else do it for you.

Oh right. I think the issue there is twofold:

1. If you're doing itself you know you're not carrying any impurities into the food (or maybe you are, but hey then you only have yourself to blame, right?)
2. If you're doing it yourself then you can make sure you're not makling the animal suffer any more than is absolutely necessary to get the job done.

Having said that, a vegan would not kill and eat animals, period.