Can you control personality?

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Condor219

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I was having a discussion with a friend of mine about why people are different today. We were getting into how short-term events (like a parent dying) or long-term factors (like type of friends, how the child is raised) influence someone's personality. It's been pretty established that personality isn't genetic (adopted kids, divorced kids raised by one parent usually have no sign of their non-contact parent(s)) so that means every element of a personality is determined by things that are brought into contact with the individual, that people are absolute blank slates before they embrace society.

Think about it: we are taught to hate. The word Nazi doesn't naturally invoke an antagonistic response, but after being taught about what it means, people learn to meet it with disdain. We are taught societal norms. When you see something that's strange, you see it as different from normal, not inherently wrong. The "seeing it as inherently wrong" part comes from being taught that the rest of society sees it as wrong, and in turn you meet it with a natural negative reaction. And, getting to my point, events that are usually out of our control have a huge impact on our personality today. We can't control who raises us, nor the inner motives of the friends around us, nor where we were raised, nor how we were raised. Our values and beliefs are largely instilled by those who we grew up around. Kids are usually the same political alignment as their parents, usually follow the same religion, and usually have a similar outlook on life. This doesn't mean that all people are the same at birth (pretty clear that intelligence varies, among other things), but it does mean that people are born with tendencies, but never absolute paths. A smart child in one family might pursue a career in astrophysics, while a child that's just as smart in the same family might decide to become a camp counselor because of differences in how the two are raised.

Anyway, this brings me to my current question. If so much about a person is determined through childhood events, and how they're raised, can we isolate a childhood to create a predetermined personality? Given that people are blank when they're introduced into the world, is it possible to create a certain type of personality by leading a character through life with absolute control? I know this sounds inhumane (it is), but I'm not debating that right now. If it's even possible, because motives spring from past experiences and personality, then theoretically we could create the best *fill-in-the-blank* for humanity based on a set of ideals that we could narrow down into childhood events and experiences. I figure that everything down the the color of someone's house they were raised in (given the psychological factors of color) influences personality.

So what are your views on this? Could it be done? If it was possible, what would be the extent to which this knowledge could (or should) be used?

tl;dr People's personalities are influenced almost exclusively by their childhood. A lot of things in anyone's childhood are not under their control. These things could theoretically be controlled and used to create an ideal personality in someone. Thoughts?
 

Johnnyallstar

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Personality is a mixture of nature and nurture. You can try to shape it, and mold it into something, but you cannot fundamentally change it. I've dealt with kids a ton, and I can assure you that it can be changed on some levels but fundamental change has to come from the person's own efforts.

My longest friends will tell you that when I was a kid, I was the most selfish prick in the world, and that I've really become a nice guy. It took a ton of effort, but I managed to change my personality, but it wasn't an outside force that did it.
 

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I agree with you, OP. A persons entire personality, their motives, their beliefs, their opinions, their behavior are all completely out of their control. That's why, even as a die hard christian, I have a very hard time believing we will all be individually judged by God in the end. Maybe we will be, but it probably won't be anything like we picture it to be; I think it goes way deeper than we could ever imagine, but that's another story.
 

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Condor219 said:
can we isolate a childhood to create a predetermined personality?
To an extent yes.

But there is no such thing as a completely "blank slate".
There are things that we can't control, like the makeup of the person on a chemical level (well up to a point yes, but that doesn't matter in my explanation). You would have to be able to control aspects of the birth of this "child" in order to fully affect it. Brain composition can affect personality, let it be a little or a lot, and until you can control that you can not completely control or "form" that child.
Same goes for body composition.

What if that child was a slightly larger person. This person may be slightly more hungry at one point in their life. This slight variable could possibly form or add to a thought that has a greater meaning later on.

Such is the butterfly effect.
 

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This question occupies me whenever I want to create a fictional character.
I can't say that he is evil because he wants to be evil, or that the female teenager here have no respect for dead bodies or humans because she wants to.
I need to find the most plausible origin for every character that reflects their personality.
 

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Once you've passed your formative years, it's difficult, but not impossible to change your personality by taking on different views of the world around you. How you do this, of course, depends largely on the person.

You hear about it all the time. People who were going down a dark path because they came from broken homes and were friends with thugs and criminals, that turned to religion or other positive influences, and turned their lives around.

That's part of the whole nuture/nature argument with psychology. We're not entirely sure which one has more effect, as we see influences of both.

On the other hand, you can also take someone who was leading a good life and put them around people who are bad influences, and they might change in subtle ways until finally, they see the same norms as those people that are a bad influence. It's simply how people adapt. You adapt to fit into the environment that you're in. It's actually pretty simple, if you think about it.
 

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Condor219 said:
I was having a discussion with a friend of mine about why people are different today. We were getting into how short-term events (like a parent dying) or long-term factors (like type of friends, how the child is raised) influence someone's personality. It's been pretty established that personality isn't genetic (adopted kids, divorced kids raised by one parent usually have no sign of their non-contact parent(s)) so that means every element of a personality is determined by things that are brought into contact with the individual, that people are absolute blank slates before they embrace society.
I'm sorry, but that's just entirely untrue. People are not blank slates, trust me on this one.

The whole nature vs nurture thing is totally unnecessary and very boring. It's both, get over it.
 

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You are arguing John Locke's "Tabula Rasa" ideas. The idea that we are all blank slates and we are "nurtured" by our environments to be the people that we are.

People have debated the "nature vs. nurture" argument for a LOOOOOOONNNNG time, and most psychologists and sociologists are in agreement it is a mix of nature and nurture that makes us who we are, but that in some situations, like language development, nurture is a bigger factor, as nature has pretty much nothing to do with it. In other situations, like the development of schizophrenia, nature is a bigger factor, whether or not someone develops schizophrenia is pretty much entirely genetic.

Loads of research has been done on this subject. Dig around in some research so you don't try to reinvent the wheel with this discussion.
 

Condor219

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Nimcha said:
I'm sorry, but that's just entirely untrue. People are not blank slates, trust me on this one.
How is it untrue? Elaborate on your view

Johnnyallstar said:
Personality is a mixture of nature and nurture. You can try to shape it, and mold it into something, but you cannot fundamentally change it. I've dealt with kids a ton, and I can assure you that it can be changed on some levels but fundamental change has to come from the person's own efforts.

My longest friends will tell you that when I was a kid, I was the most selfish prick in the world, and that I've really become a nice guy. It took a ton of effort, but I managed to change my personality, but it wasn't an outside force that did it.
I'm not discussing in changing something that's already there, I'm wondering if it's possible to establish ideals and values before change is necessary. You were a selfish prick when you were young, but why? And what influenced you to change yourself? Each mindset had motives, and those motives sprung from something. I'm suggesting that "something" is rooted in childhood environments and events that were out of your control, those same events that I'm suggesting we could control.
 

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you're partially right. there are two things that shape a personality, as you pointed out, enviromental conditioning constructs the personality, but genetics do have a part to play. they influence natural disposition, intellectual capacity and other fundamental bases for growth and the personality is built on top of them.

anyway, the problem with raising someone in a controled environment is that there are too many quantum variables to track and consider to accurately construct a deliberate model. every aspect of every interaction of every moment is automaticaly considered and integrated into the physique and psyche. everything from the oxygen levels in the air, the intensity of the light, the quality of the meals, to the more easily controled aspects such as toys and sounds and images, are all paramount to a persons development. if anything was changed between two subjects, the results would diversify quickly. it's the butterfly effect.

not only is it impossible to control everyting you would need to control, but the overall effects of all these variables is impossible to predict when everything is based on a combination of infinite unknown quantum variables rather than the miniscule amount of variables that would actually be being tracked and controled.
 

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remnant_phoenix said:
You are arguing John Locke's "Tabula Rasa" ideas. The idea that we are all blank slates and we are "nurtured" by our environments to be the people that we are. Loads of research has been done on this subject. Dig around in some research so you don't try to reinvent the wheel with this discussion.
I knew something had to exist about this. Though reinventing the wheel is the purist form of discovery.
 

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Condor219 said:
I'm not discussing in changing something that's already there, I'm wondering if it's possible to establish ideals and values before change is necessary. You were a selfish prick when you were young, but why? And what influenced you to change yourself? Each mindset had motives, and those motives sprung from something. I'm suggesting that "something" is rooted in childhood environments and events that were out of your control, those same events that I'm suggesting we could control.

That's the nature part. Something within us naturally pushes us towards certain actions. This is genetic predisposition. Some people are predisposed for certain personalities, such as being an asshole, or being soft hearted, or being lax. These are dispositions you can see when the babies aren't even a year old.

Or, if you're a person of faith, such as I am, you can believe that it is God's design that we have natural tendencies. Such as mine was to be excitable, energetic, and a bit of an asshole. My one brother is relaxed and rarely gets excited. My second brother is incredibly soft hearted, and all of these can be seen within the first year of life. These weren't something we developed, it was something we're born with.
 

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Humans are innately a social species. Almost everything we do is ruled by how it would effect the society as a whole, whether we realize it or not. It could be argued that humans are evolving tot eh point of hive mentality, with little that is different or independent because we'd have a collective conscious. If you think about it, a lot of society is about persecuting that which is not considered the norm. That's not to say that we will all be mindless zombies without freewill, we will have just evolved to the point where they are no longer necessary. Why do we even have such things anyway? Independence, freewill, the, the super ego and the id are all in place to ensure the survival of the individual, correct? Well, that's all fine and dandy for a species that is just starting out, as survival of the one ensures the mass survival of the species. However, now that we have globalized and socialized, we no longer need such protections. In short, we will eventually evolve to the point of single consciousness. It's a terrifying thought now, but only because we are still imperfect. In the future, the hive will be the norm.
 

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What gives human's their unique personality is still no very well understood. This is the very first I'm hearing about it not being genetic at all. Even if it wasn't, and completely our experience, we don't know how our experiences form our personality (much), so I don't think you could make a personality.
 

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Condor219 said:
remnant_phoenix said:
You are arguing John Locke's "Tabula Rasa" ideas. The idea that we are all blank slates and we are "nurtured" by our environments to be the people that we are. Loads of research has been done on this subject. Dig around in some research so you don't try to reinvent the wheel with this discussion.
I knew something had to exist about this. Though reinventing the wheel is the purist form of discovery.
True enough. When I was 8 I thought that I invented the idea for hydroelectricity. My dad quickly pointed out that the idea had been around for a while, and I was disappointed, but through my 'discovery' and my dad's direction I learned all about the Hoover Dam and alternate (to burning coal) means of producing electricity.

The "nature vs. nurture" debate is a big one that has been going on for centuries, and it's still relevant today. Right now, a hot topic for "nature vs. nurture" is whether human sexuality is in-born via nature (determined by DNA), or if sexuality is socially constructed (blank slate perspective), or if it's some combination of the two.

Happy learning! : )
 

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Nimcha said:
I'm sorry, but that's just entirely untrue. People are not blank slates, trust me on this one.

The whole nature vs nurture thing is totally unnecessary and very boring. It's both, get over it.
If you take it to its extreme, biological determinist would just say that nurture is in our nature and the discussion is moot.