Can you defend yourself?

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Echopunk

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I practiced Wing Chun and Jeet Kune Do for several years, and even supported myself at times by teaching self defense classes. Using the core of JKD, which you can simplify to "If it is efficient and doesn't waste motion, and it works... steal it for yourself", I've absorbed a lot of useful knowledge from fighting and sparring with more styles/approaches than I really care to list. I also have some Krav Maga, as well as second hand S.C.A.R.S. and MCMAP under my belt.

On my own, I've only had to handle two or three attackers at a time. It is an entirely different animal compared to a one on one fight. The principles are still the same, analyze weakness and exploit it, but you don't have the luxury of trading probative jabs while you pace the other guy.

Ideally, you assess the group dynamic as quick as possible. You pick the weakest of the group and take him out of the fight fast (this could be the overweight guy, the really slow guy, the or just one wearing sunglasses at ten o'clock at night in the club parking lot). Next up, you take out that lanky/skinny/twitchy guy. Only then do you take their alpha down.

Anyone who is familiar with somatotypes will translate the above as 1)Endomorph, 2)Ectomorph and 3)Mesomorph.

Of course, since they aren't going to wait patiently while you attempt this, a la the Walker Texas Ranger method (form a neat queue, remembering to wait for me to roundhouse kick your buddy before you step forward), you'll probably have to engage all three at the same time. Joint locks and manipulations are great for this. Anything you can do to even temporarily incapacitate an attacker so you can put their body between you and the fists, feet, blades and bludgeons coming your way, ratchets up your chances of remaining intact after the end of the encounter.

The worst encounter I was in happened when I was still in my late teens. I had a good foundation of WC and had started to train in line with JKD, but at the time I got by more on my reach, reflexes, speed, and luck more often than actual skill. A friend and I saw an acquaintance of ours being harassed by, well, lets just call it a gang. The situation was rapidly deteriorating. My friend and I exchanged a sort of "Yeah, we're really going to do this, aren't we," look and set in to intervene right as the first blow landed.

The guy was on the ground and surrounded in a flash. My friend and I just carved our way through them. We fought dirty. I was wearing boots, and I had no qualms about stomping the sides of people's knees or ankles. I felt a kind of a juvenile aura of badassery come over me as I piston kicked one guy hard enough to knock down two others with his falling body.

In a blur, my friend and I had managed to join the victim in the center of the attention. Any breathing room was made on our way in quickly evaporated as enemy reinforcements arrived. My friend headbutted one guy perfectly, and while a lot of the fight is a big blur, I'll never forget that sound. It was a combination of a thunk, a crunch and a loud squish. Then screaming.

There was one major problem with our plan: We didn't have what you would call an exit strategy. Full of myself, my ego casting me in the roll of every martial arts movie...ever, I told my friend I'd hold them off, just take the victim and go.

So, I ended up fighting alone in an alleyway before I was finally able to disengage. The timely arrival of a squad car made a great cover for my escape.

Only in the aftermath did I realize how serious things were, and how lucky I had been. While it was happening, I wasn't even aware of getting hit. During my self inventory I found that wasn't the case. I also had a couple of cuts. Apparently there had been at least one knife involved. I don't even remember seeing it, but since the blade wasn't buried in my belly I chose to believe I dealt with it properly.
 

COMaestro

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I'd give myself even odds against one person of similar phyisical characteristics as myself :)
More than that, no chance, unless they are all really weak.

I took Karate for a couple of years when I was young, and I remember all the movements, but I never developed the muscle memory. I also took Kendo much more recently, but it is pretty much just a sports martial art at this point and not much use for self defense. I do feel confident I could hurt someone pretty badly if I had a sword-like weapon, but I'd probably get as bad as I gave.

I'm fast, but have little to no endurance, so I would need to be able to run somewhere safe very quickly or I'd be caught and pummeled while I'm out of breath. If I'm surrounded by five guys, and can't talk my way out, then I'm going to charge the weakest looking one, do my best to incapacitate him and throw him in the way of the others and sprint away as fast as I can. I'm sure the adrenaline will let me run a bit further than the usual 1-2 city blocks I can normally manage, but again, I would need to find somewhere safe fast!

However, if it looked like I wasn't going to get away, I would stop running before I was exhausted and make sure my attackers took some punishment before they totally kicked my ass though. Anyone who gets completely backed into a corner is dangerous if they try.

I would definitely need to overcome that whole "don't hurt people" thing though. It's kind of ingrained in most of us, which is why soldiers and police have training to overcome these feelings. You don't want to be pulling punches in a life-or-death situation.
 

Baldry

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If I was enraged enough I'd probably go down fighting and take someone down, when it comes to a serious fight I'm not afraid to fight dirty and do what it takes to take someone down, one of these 5 guys might lose an eye but I'll be a beaten mess.
 

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I'm very much an avoid/run away kind of guy when it comes to fighting. I was always the biggest kid growing up, and you learn pretty fast that nearly ANY physical attack in self-defense ends up making you look like the bad guy because you're bigger.

But if I'm backed into a corner, and I have to fight? My only strengths are my sheer adrenaline rush and my ability to go pound for pound more sadistic. That's the only way I reason I walk away from a fight, is if I kill the guy attacking me.
 

ClockworkPenguin

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I couldn't win a fight against anyone who would start one. I'm 1.9m tall, I'm quite good at looming. So the only people who would come at me anyway could definitely take me, since I've never been in a fight and punch like a child.

So yeah, I'd do my utmost to avoid a physical confrontation. It's worked so far.
 

Calibanbutcher

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ClockworkPenguin said:
I couldn't win a fight against anyone who would start one. I'm 1.9m tall, I'm quite good at looming. So the only people who would come at me anyway could definitely take me, since I've never been in a fight and punch like a child.

So yeah, I'd do my utmost to avoid a physical confrontation. It's worked so far.
Get some nice facial scars and a glowing red eye, no-one will pick a fight with you afterwards.
Also, I am taller than you. This piece of information I provided to avoid low-content.
 

6SteW6

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The only advantages I really have is a super high tolerance for pain (From years of extreme clumsiness) and being sturdy on my feet (Again, From years of extreme clumsiness). I usually try to diffuse the situation before it gets to that and usually can. Saying that I have been in plety of fights before, and won a good few so yes I can defend myself. You asked about five on one? I had a three on one fight before and was just destroyed.

I went to go talk to them after they harassed my girlfriend and one of the fellas landed a surprise headbutt on the bridge of my nose, it was the first time I had been dazed and it sucked. I made a point to stay on my feet until I could see again and did for awhile. As soon as my vision came back I stopped to try and orientate and the guy got another punch in. Eventually the three of them managed to get me to the ground and once you're down there's not much you can do but cover your head and expose as little as possible to their kicks.

They were drunk and angry and meant to do me harm. I dunno how but I managed to get one of the guys down with me and gave him a few licks of my own. I think if I hadn't been able to do that they wouldn't have backed off and would have done some serious harm or worse.

I came away from it with a black eye a bloody (But not broken!) nose and a swollen jaw that still clicks when I eat sometimes. Fightings bad folks!!

My advice to defending yourself? I say if you are in a fight with someone the best way to defence is getting the first hit in. It usually puts you at an advantage or will make the guy back off. Being submissive will only show weakness and if someone clearly wants to fight you then it will just make them even bolder.
 

brom0220

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I'm going to be testing for my brown belt in Judo soon. So I think I can defend myself reasonably well. 5 on 1 though I would run if at all possible.

I should note that I approach real fights with a completely different mentality than I approach Judo matches. In a real fight, the goal is to crush your enemy as swiftly and savagely as possible. Ruthlessness is the rule, not the exception. Break bones, joints, noses, gouge eyes, rip ears, bite if you have to, hit weak points, balls, diaphragm, solar plexus, joints, temples, kidneys, etc. Sneak attacks, surprise attacks, use the environment, grab weapons etc. Do what you have to in order to survive. Beat him until he stops twitching if you have to. Often the winner of a real fight is the one who is more willing to permanently fuck the other guy up. If you can run or talk your way out though, do so immediately. If not, see above.

Martial arts aren't a rigid set of moves for a fight, but rather a set of tools in your belt to use any way you need to. Do not limit yourself to a specific art or move set.
 

Backlashboy

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OMG i never knew that this thread would be so popular thank you guys :D
And for people that are asking they can be any size big skinny fat full of muscle's etc.
 

SquirePB

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The trick is all in the positioning. If you can manage to get hold of one of them and put them between you and the others you can reduce the number advantage considerably. Your judo would be quite helpful for this. Still with 5 guys that's a tall order. I've been doing martial arts of various style for around 14 years now but I don't much fancy my chances against 5. I'd back down if I could. But if it was to protect someone a care about then I wouldn't hesitate. If you strike hard and fast before they realise you're going to fight you can easily neutralise one of them before the others even know what's happening (I'd use my muay thai and go for a flying knee to the chin of the nearest one personally).
 

Tiger Sora

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Against 5 guys. About my only bet is clawing out one guys eye balls. The others would probably run away if I did that.
Realistically in that situation. I'll go down swinging. I'll be sore for a few weeks...
 

Nannernade

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Maybe if they lost control of their motor skills and they were drunk... then maybe I would stand a chance.
 

Vausch

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One on one? Yes, with most people. 2 on one? Maybe. More? Yeah, if I can't find a makeshift weapon I'm running.
 

demoman_chaos

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Yes, I would do quite well I think. Some training in wrestling, MMA, german longsword (which includes a lot of grappling), and rifle marksmanship training (via US Army).

Without a weapon, I could fend off 1 fellow, maybe 2 really weak fools. With a decent weapon, I could hold off several more. My experience with axes (small hand axes all the way up to 5 ft dane axes) gives me an advantage with off balance weapons while my longsword training gives me an edge with comparable items.
 

DevilWithaHalo

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I know how to defend myself and I have defended myself.

The reason I could probably take 5 guys is the same reason I can walk away from most fights; diffusion. Even drunk people can be talked down. You just need to learn the group fast and figure out what they want.

Avoidance works wonders too; try not to put yourself in a position where you have to fight 5 guys.

But, you know, you guys keep talking smack-fu; it amuses me.
 

bigfatcarp93

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I carry a really sturdy walking stick around with me everywhere I go, and I know how to fight with it. So yeah, I'm set.
 

MorganL4

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SomeLameStuff said:
Against one guy? I can manage. Two guys? Eeeeh... maybe. Three and up? Start running!
Yeah, this is my way of looking at it too. I spent a decade studying tae kwon do and I am pretty confident in my ability to defend myself.... But I think that more than a 2 on 1 situation would result in me getting pretty ruffed up.