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Why are we spending so much money on trying to cure cancer??
I realize it affects a lot of people, but so many more people are dying because they don't have clean water or get diseases that we have vaccines for and I think that it is terrible that we are still pouring money into this when the same sum of money would achieve so much more if spent on vaccines or securing clean water supplies in less developed countries.

What are peoples' thoughts?
 

wewontdie11

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Cancer research is a very expensive process, and the people who invest the money are the ones who fear they might get cancer, not that they won't have clean water when they get up in the morning.
 

ellimist337

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This is because cancer kills the second highest number [http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=3000963] of people in the US, and I'm sure the statistics are similar for other highly-developed countries. It's pretty well accepted that people will look out for their own and themselves first, and others second, especially when it doesn't directly affect them. Cancer affects us, so that's what we put money towards. The goal of medicine is to eliminate all disease, and cancer is a widespread and obvious target.
 

scotth266

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As a person who has lost at LEAST four relatives to cancer, I find your question rather heartless. You should consider that cancer kills a LOT of people, and if you intend on cutting cancer funding, you should also cut money spent on heart disease and AIDS research. Of course, no one will thank you for that. Cancer is debilitating and painful, and it hurts everyone who encounters it.

As for your less-developed countries, people invest lots of money into vaccines and water for them too. It's just not as important to people who don't live there.
 

TwistedEllipses

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Cancer is certainly seen as the affluent disease, since it was virtually unknown in the past because we simply weren't living long enough and dying of other illnesses. I would rather see money go towards eradication of infectious diseases, cancer is with the exception of chemical and radiation provoked cancer not going to suddenly affect millions of people at once like a plague and is relatively slow and fairly treatable already.
 

Donbett1974

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A person who cares about their-self or love ones does not make them less compassionate to others it just means they have a survival instinct and are protective of love ones.
 

Anton P. Nym

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We're getting there [http://www.cancer.ca/Ontario/Cancer%20research/Progress%20we%20ve%20made.aspx?sc_lang=en]; it's a vastly difficult problem, and there's no sure-cure yet, but research has doubled the survival rate for cancer over the past forty years to 62%.

As for vaccines and water treatment for the Third World, those are worthy goals too... I still give money to UNICEF every Halloween for their pediatric programs. But I'd hate to see folks give up on cancer now and loose all that potential advancement.

-- Steve
 

bad rider

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We spend money on cancer research because it's a problem that has/will daunt us for many many years, also you can down scale other problem by pointing out floors.
 

PumpItUp

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You know what? Too much money is put into cancer prevention. All the reasons are stated above in others' posts.

Now before you start flaming me, I believe more money should go into cancer prevention. What is the better option, curing a person of cancer through expensive radiation and chemotherapy treatments or preventing the cancer through a couple visits to the doctors every 6 months?

Now basing off of Utilitarianism (the greatest benefit for the most people), I would cut off much of the money currently being invested in cancer cure research and instead divert it to cancer prevention research, as well as lobbying governments and medical associations to increase consumer awareness about the danger of STDs, needles, skin cancer, and any possible way to get cancer. A sacrifice of the few people who do get cancer is (while a difficult decision and not without its drawbacks) mostly justified in trying the prevent the onset of cancer in everybody else.
 

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As a person who has actually *had* cancer, I can say that some very good points are being made but some of you are very misguided. This will be longwinded, and I'm sorry I didn't paragraph that out better, but I will attempt to be concise and coherent and I feel it's important you know. Please read and feel free to share your comments, even if you don't agree with me.

On Money

It's not that too much money is being given to research, it's that the responsibility for research is being given to the wrong people (and by that I mean to businesses who are designed to make money). True, we have made some progress, so the money hasn't been *completely* wasted, and I guarantee you those who've been saved by those results would agree. But I do think Big Pharma is screwing us over, and that's why it's not the research but the researchers who are the problem. I won't even start about how corrupt and evil the US healthcare pharma-corps are. I am in favor of de-privatizing health care and increasing government funding and oversight (read up on healthcare in the Netherlands, their model is being studied for US use). And as for those who suggested cancer meds should be free, well shouldn't other meds be too? I think if you have done nothing to cause your disease (smoking, using drugs, having unprotected sex) you should not have to bear the cost. But if you did cause your disease the cost should not be punishingly high. And while we're on the subject, cancer is not "the affluent disease." Plenty of poor are stricken by cancer which is why there are so many cancer charities. Even wealthy people can be broken by the costs of treating cancer (again, not going down that road). For those who think corporations hiding the cure would be crushed by riots, think again. Look up the doctor in Kansas City that diluted children's cancer medicines and pocketed the extra money. Bio-med owns us all and does what it wants. If we want high quality affordable health care, the current biomed industry has to be restructured and asking greedy pharmaCEOs to give up their possible gaziilions in exploitation will not be that easy. That's why the responsibilty for *designing* the cure should rest in the hands of the people/government, and pharma should only be allowed to produce the medicines themselves. Okay, I need the tangent to stop now.

Research good, corporations controlling research to maximize profits at the expense of innocent lives bad.

On cures and preventions

I think that the finding the cure *is* prevention. If you can cure cancer, you don't need to prevent it. Right now, cancer isn't a slow and fairly treatable disease *as a whole* as one poster mentioned. Some cancers have been virtually eliminated, while even having others is a death sentence. Some cancers can kill in a few short months, depending on the severity. A cure means any future recurrence of the disease can be stopped before it harms/kills. And a cure can help us in case of mutations and metastases (when cancer goes from one part of your body to another). Cancer is sort of like HIV in that it's not just one simple thing. Each cancer has a different structure, which is why it can "jump" to and affect other body parts. It doesn't mutate into a totally new disease like HIV, just a different kind, but there are different forms of some cancers like lukemia. Curing cancer would be much better than preventing cancer because a cure would be guaranteedly effective whereas prevention can go wrong. The reason is that cancer is caused by things the average human has no control over (secondhand smoke, food additives, radiation from modern machinery and technology, etc). Preventing only works for factors we can control. Wasting money on lesser, non-fatal diseases like some STDs really sucks because we already *have* prevention: self-control, condoms, and common sense. I would be extra super pissed if some asshole got my cancer money to cure himself of easily preventable herpes or some kind of drug-disease from a knowing mistake he made when I would suffer and die from cancer and I did nothing wrong. People do not need education because they already know the stuff they do is bad. You'd have to have been living under a rock nowadays to not understand some of these things (drugs and unprotected sex). I realize that there are exceptions like rape victims, and I certainly wouldn't take the chance for a cure away from them, but I've never seen people be forced to do drugs, they do that to themselves. People need incentives for accountability and self-control. As for another factor we can't control, if you can cure the food industry of it's greed-based desire to feed us poison, then by all means do so, but a cure for cancer is much more realistic. There is also the fact that current "cures" cause a lot of suffering (chemo, radiation) and finding a better cure in addition to a permanent one is also part of the goal. I wouldn't want to take money way from other causes, as there are so many human tragedies that also take lives and also need to be alleviated, but in the case of cancer money and research are an absolute necessity. We need what's coming to us. You can't educate people out of cancer, and you can't prevent the environment. A cure would be the best protection we currently know of. There is also the fact that many cancers are caused by genetic mutations and defects, and curing said cancers would mean curing said mutations and defects which could pave the way for other genetic diseases. A cure for cancer really could mean at least assistance to curing other diseases.

And while I understand the greater ramifications of what the user above me said about sacrificing the few to save the many, it is not an acceptable (nor in this particular case necessary) course of action. I know you aren't trying to start a eugenics program, but seriously, don't be so cold to other human beings. I bet if your parent/child was one of those being sacrificed you'd feel different. The thing that really upset me was who you'd sacrifice me to: idiots who brought it on themselves with cultural and physical poisons. I know you included cancer in there, but, dude.

So, your thoughts?
 

Klagermeister

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It certainly would be VERY nice to have a cure for cancer.
I've had a best friend, a grandpa, and a pet die from cancer.
However, after seeing "I Am Legend", I'm a little afraid of a cure coming.
 

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Khell_Sennet said:
Anton P. Nym said:
but research has doubled the survival rate for cancer over the past forty years to 62%.
For those who can afford it...
This, I hear just one shot that they have to get fairly common is about five thousand dollars. ( The price could have went down, but it is still extremely high.
 

santaandy

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Bulletinmybrain said:
I hear just one shot that they have to get fairly common is about five thousand dollars. ( The price could have went down, but it is still extremely high.
I can't even begin to tell you how much my cancer meds cost, mostly because I have no idea. At one point, my dad switched insurance programs. It was actually because he switched jobs, but I thought at the time we had just burned through our old one (I have heard stories of this happening). We had a limit of just over a million, and ours was a "little" one. And that was 10 years ago.

There are many medicines to treat cancer, but with all the side effects, there are also many *more* medicines to treat them. I don't think I am the only one who doesn't find this a coincidence. Try looking up the cost of Zofran (cures chemo-induced stomach aches) or some of the blood cell boosters I had to take to keep my body producing blood (don't remember the names, some of you more enterprising or sciencey types might know). And there are now medicines to prevent chemo-hair loss too. These are all nice, but prohibitively expensive... without insurance. Insurance which I, as a former cancer patient, cannot get on my own because of my medical history, or could get with a monthly premium equivalent to the GDP of Hungary. It's nice that a good job will have a group plan that is required by law to accept all employees, but that may not cover everything as many insurance companies are notoriously erratic in their coverage.

Prosthetics are really expensive too. I had to have a below-knee amputation (the easier one) from post-tumorectomy complications. A regular prosthetic leg is like $10,000, and the socket that attaches to your leg needs to be replaced as your leg changes shape after sugery and due to other life stuff (like gaining or losing weight). The liner to attach it to your leg is like $1,000, you need two (one for a backup), and they last about 6 months. A waterproof one I could wear in the shower (which isn't covered by insurance because I wasn't a professional athletic swimmer before my cancer) I was told is way more expensive than that. I'm glad that two of the leading prosthetics companies, Ossur (Iceland) and Otto Bach (Germany) aren't run by Americorps.
 

Ranooth

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I say more needs to be done with Cancer research. If affects EVERYONE whether they live in a well off country or a lesser developed one. Its a horrid thing to watch some one you love have the disease and i hope next generations don't have to experience the same horror that i and many others across the world have.
 

notyouraveragejoe

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high sandwich maker of lamuella said:
Why are we spending so much money on trying to cure cancer??
I realize it affects a lot of people, but so many more people are dying because they don't have clean water or get diseases that we have vaccines for and I think that it is terrible that we are still pouring money into this when the same sum of money would achieve so much more if spent on vaccines or securing clean water supplies in less developed countries.
Hate to be an ass but the reason is that no-one (in the financiers/researchers) is going to suffer a loss from lack of water. Furthermore before you go righteous on the world look at it this way. People are dying from diseases we conquered, disease that we have STORES as in WAREHOUSES full of medicine that can counter them. Tuberculosis, check. Malaria, check.

So you the OP get off your fucking high horse about how we're wasting too much money on Cancer. Waste isn't what we're doing. Saving lives is what we are trying to do. Next time you want to ***** about this, don't do it on the internet chances are some of us on here have lost someone to cancer.

And finally, your last statement. It is wrong. We don't need to sink the equal amount of money into Water or Vaccines. Convince Pharmaceutical companies to give out the meds they have built up. Finally, when was the last time you donated money to any fund that is trying to get clean water?

To sum all ^^ this up. Stop being an asshole and start realizing that the problem isn't funding, the problem is distribution.
 

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Because curring cancer will mainly benefit people in western world. So by developing / selling cancer treatments the pharma industry can make huge amounts of money. Helping people in third world countries on the other hand, provides nowhere near enough cash, to be financially attractive. That's why the pharma industry rather spends his time researching cancer (or other big diseases in the western world), because of the money that can be made here.
 

Littaly

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santaandy said:
As a person who has actually *had* cancer, I can say that some very good points are being made but some of you are very misguided. This will be longwinded, and I'm sorry I didn't paragraph that out better, but I will attempt to be concise and coherent and I feel it's important you know. Please read and feel free to share your comments, even if you don't agree with me.

On Money

It's not that too much money is being given to research, it's that the responsibility for research is being given to the wrong people (and by that I mean to businesses who are designed to make money)... (continued)
Interesting read, thank you.
 
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The number of lives saved by that money would be dwarfed by the numbers that could be saved if it was spent on providing water, food and health care to people who don't have the wealth and treatment to live so long that cancer becomes a threat

Sorry, meant to quote Anton P Nym
 
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This is a major problem with the US and much of the rest of the world. In the UK healthcare is completely free - it is paid for with taxes - and I was surprised when I first found out this wasn't the case everywhere
 
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Khell_Sennet said:
Anton P. Nym said:
but research has doubled the survival rate for cancer over the past forty years to 62%.
For those who can afford it...
This is a major problem with the US and much of the rest of the world. In the UK healthcare is completely free - it is paid for with taxes - and I was surprised when I first found out this wasn't the case everywhere