Cancer will always be with us, according to more recent research

[Mr.Savage]

By your logic, red wine must be magic!

Well not magic, but certainly useful; https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/how-resveratrol-may-fight-aging

I admit; I take a Resveratrol supplement along with all those useless Vitamins. I think I'll live to be 120. *Fingers crossed*

 

[Superbeast]

"Neither DMSO (dimethyl sulfoxide) nor DMSO2 (dimethyl sulfone) is especially dangerous. But while reading up on the subject a Livermore scientist came across a related chemical, dimethyl sulfate (DMSO4). DMSO4 is a powerful poison gas, and it can cause nearly every symptom suffered by the Riverside ER staff."

So essentially, results not typical. For what it's worth, the M.D. who first used DMSO clinically in 1964, Dr. Stanley Jacob, would add one half teaspoon of DMSO to a small glass of orange juice every morning before breakfast.

He recently passed away at the age of 91 in Jan, 2015.

So for 50 straight years, Dr. Jacob tested DMSO on himself with no ill effects. What gives?

And people smoke all their lives without ill effects, so clearly smoking is harmless.

"A pensioner, Winnie Langley, who smoked for more than 95 years and only gave up because she could no longer see the end of a match, has died a month short of her 103rd birthday."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/7941676/Britains-oldest-smoker-dies-after-puffing-on-cigarettes-for-95-years.html

"A Cambodian tiger hunter said to be the world's oldest man has died at the age of 122, according to his relatives.

Sek Yi, who was also a martial arts expert, attributed his longevity and that of his 108-year-old wife Long Ouk, to smoking and the power of prayer."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-200361/Smoking-secrets-oldest-man.html

 

[Mr.Savage]

And people smoke all their lives without ill effects, so clearly smoking is harmless.

I appreciate your logic, but that's a rather desperate comparison, chemically speaking.

Smoking generates large amounts of free radicals, which rob electrons. Couple that with the addition of numerous chemical additives (formaldehyde among other things) and the fact that most tobacco grown in the USA uses fertilizer with radioactive isotopes mixed in, and you've got something that can only do harm. That some folks live to be 100 while chain-smoking is a testament to their good genetics.


Conversely, DMSO is a free radical scavenger:

Free radicals cause the cells to age more rapidly and also cause the cells to mutate causing cancers, birth defects, and other diseases. DMSO is the most potent free radical scavenger known. Even low concentrations of DMSO can greatly reduce the radiation and free radical damage.

A study involving cervical cancer patients in Russia who received radiation treatment was reported in the Russian Radiological Journal Meditsinskaia Radiological. In this study DMSO was applied topically to 22 cervical cancer patients prior to radiation treatment. The control group consisted of 59 patients who received radiation therapy without DMSO . The DMSO protected patients did not get radiation burns and other symptoms of radiation toxicity while the control group had the normally expected toxic reactions.

 

[Superbeast]

And people smoke all their lives without ill effects, so clearly smoking is harmless.

I appreciate your logic, but that's a rather desperate comparison, chemically speaking.

Smoking generates large amounts of free radicals, which rob electrons. Couple that with the addition of numerous chemical additives (formaldehyde among other things) and the fact that most tobacco grown in the USA uses fertilizer with radioactive isotopes mixed in, and you've got something that can only do harm. That some folks live to be 100 while chain-smoking is a testament to their good genetics.

It is not a desperate comparison, it was to highlight that just because an MD took the stuff daily it does not prove that it is harmless, because there are smokers (and largely everyone agrees smoking is very harmful to your health) who not only lived to extreme long age but attribute said fact to smoking itself. Such anecdotes, whether for DMSO or smoking, are clearly not a valid basis for proof of a lack of harm.

 

[ScaredIndie]

And people smoke all their lives without ill effects, so clearly smoking is harmless.

I appreciate your logic, but that's a rather desperate comparison, chemically speaking.

Smoking generates large amounts of free radicals, which rob electrons. Couple that with the addition of numerous chemical additives (formaldehyde among other things) and the fact that most tobacco grown in the USA uses fertilizer with radioactive isotopes mixed in, and you've got something that can only do harm. That some folks live to be 100 while chain-smoking is a testament to their good genetics.


Conversely, DMSO is a free radical scavenger:

Free radicals cause the cells to age more rapidly and also cause the cells to mutate causing cancers, birth defects, and other diseases. DMSO is the most potent free radical scavenger known. Even low concentrations of DMSO can greatly reduce the radiation and free radical damage.

A study involving cervical cancer patients in Russia who received radiation treatment was reported in the Russian Radiological Journal Meditsinskaia Radiological. In this study DMSO was applied topically to 22 cervical cancer patients prior to radiation treatment. The control group consisted of 59 patients who received radiation therapy without DMSO . The DMSO protected patients did not get radiation burns and other symptoms of radiation toxicity while the control group had the normally expected toxic reactions.

Not being a doctor I'm really not someone who likes to give medical advice, but I am gonna go out on a limb here and say that studies from the 80's out of Russia are probably worth being suspicious of. Honestly this whole thread reeks of science denialism and I always find that a bit concerning. I would advise you to get your information from medical professionals and not the folks at your local vegan restaurant.

When it comes to medical conspiracies there is a really easy question you can ask to de-bunk them, do the rich and powerful die from the disease who's cure you claim is being suppressed?

 

[Mr.Savage]

If only they had used Vitamin C and DMSO!

Not far off the mark, really...

Effecting a cure when a virus is the offending agent, and many times bringing about this change in the short space of 24 hours, is a rewarding moment in medicine. Vitamin C treatment must be intensive to be successful. Use veins when practical, otherwise give vitamin C intramuscularly. Never give less than 350 mg/kg body weight. This must be repeated every hour for 6 to 12 times, depending upon clinical improvement, then every two to four hours until the patient has recovered.

-- Frederick Robert Klenner, M.D., F.C.C.P., A.A.F.P.
Private practice, Reidsville, N. C.

Aside from Dr. Fred Klenner using massive doses of Vitamin C back in the '40s and '50s, the gentlemen below relied on a similar method:

 

[DefunctTheory]

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If only they had used Vitamin C and DMSO!

Not far off the mark, really...

Effecting a cure when a virus is the offending agent, and many times bringing about this change in the short space of 24 hours, is a rewarding moment in medicine. Vitamin C treatment must be intensive to be successful. Use veins when practical, otherwise give vitamin C intramuscularly. Never give less than 350 mg/kg body weight. This must be repeated every hour for 6 to 12 times, depending upon clinical improvement, then every two to four hours until the patient has recovered.

-- Frederick Robert Klenner, M.D., F.C.C.P., A.A.F.P.
Private practice, Reidsville, N. C.

Aside from Dr. Fred Klenner using massive doses of Vitamin C back in the '40s and '50s, the gentlemen below relied on a similar method:

Spoiler

It would be funny, except for the dead kid of course.

If you're in the mood for nightmares, I highly recommend googling the good doctor Archie Kalokerinos. Along with advocating vitamin C cures (Which I can almost forgive him for, since he actually did spend a lot of time treating people for vitamin C deficiency), he also appears to have believed that not only are vaccines worthless, they were nothing more then a money making scheme, and a crafty way to commit deliberate genocide. He believed the WHO were killing people by the truck load in Africa on purpose, were deliberately spreading AIDs and hepatitis, and somehow seems to have come to the conclusion that smallpox was eradicated but shear, dumb luck, exactly at the same time that smallpox vaccinations were being administered.

The man was beyond crazy - He was a menace.

 

[Mr.Savage]

The man was beyond crazy - He was a menace.

Love him or hate him, you can't argue with results.


As I keep saying, the medical journals are awash with reports of Doctors who've used Vitamins as a therapy in their practice to great effect:

Summary

In these selected six cases of probable viral infections, Viron-1, a preparation for intravenous administration consisting of 2000 mg. of ascorbic acid per dose fortified with certain B-vitamins, promoted prompt patient response. In four of the above mentioned cases improvement was especially rapid and dramatic. The patients were of different groups and conditions treated were varied. Of significant interest is the shortened morbidity period observed when Viron-1 was given either singly or in conjunction with other therapy. No untoward side effects were observed.

Conclusion

In the experience of this investigator, daily doses of 2000 mg. of ascorbic acid fortified with B-complex vitamins given intravenously provides a valuable adjunct in the routine management of a variety of acute viral infections. Further investigation is warranted to determine the complete range of viral diseases which can be treated beneficially with this therapeutic adjunct.

 

[Jack Action]

Not far off the mark, really...

Effecting a cure when a virus is the offending agent, and many times bringing about this change in the short space of 24 hours, is a rewarding moment in medicine. Vitamin C treatment must be intensive to be successful. Use veins when practical, otherwise give vitamin C intramuscularly. Never give less than 350 mg/kg body weight. This must be repeated every hour for 6 to 12 times, depending upon clinical improvement, then every two to four hours until the patient has recovered.

-- Frederick Robert Klenner, M.D., F.C.C.P., A.A.F.P.
Private practice, Reidsville, N. C.

Aside from Dr. Fred Klenner using massive doses of Vitamin C back in the '40s and '50s, the gentlemen below relied on a similar method:

Spoiler

There is absolutely no way in hell that would work as stated (among the most basic reasons imaginable, Vitamin C isn't magical infection-targeting bleach nor is it Berserker Shrooms for white blood cells), and even if it somehow did, overdriving your immune system to the point where it can burn out meningitis in less than half an hour can't possibly be good for your... anything.

These things read a lot like homeopathy. "I gave the patient sugar twice a day and saw cancer remission in less than a week!"

[small]Also, F.A.P.M. *snicker*[/small]

 

[Mr.Savage]

There is absolutely no way in hell that would work as stated.

Tell that to the man in this news segment:

... and even if it somehow did, overdriving your immune system to the point where it can burn out meningitis in less than half an hour can't possibly be good for your... anything.

By what mechanism would the immune system (or... anything) be harmed with the introduction of high dose Vitamin C for acute infection?

Break it down for me. Show me exactly why it wouldn't work, and don't hold back on the technical details.

These things read a lot like homeopathy. "I gave the patient sugar twice a day and saw cancer remission in less than a week!"

Vitamins aren't even remotely similar to homeopathy, which is based on using the smallest possible amount of a given medicament, and then diluting it down to essentially nothing with lots of water.

High dose Vitamin C therapy is the very antithesis of homeopathy. Vitmins are something you can measure, homeopathy is not.

 

[DefunctTheory]

The man was beyond crazy - He was a menace.

Love him or hate him, you can't argue with results.

I, in fact, can.

The man spent a huge amount of his career treating people deficient diets. It's hardly surprising that supplementing these patients diets made them better.

As for your newest... example...

In these selected six cases of probable viral infections

... and even if it somehow did, overdriving your immune system to the point where it can burn out meningitis in less than half an hour can't possibly be good for your... anything.

By what mechanism would the immune system (or... anything) be harmed with the introduction of high dose Vitamin C for acute infection?

Break it down for me. Show me exactly why it wouldn't work, and don't hold back on the technical details.

How about you break down why Vit C would help in the first place?

The answer to your question is - There is no logical reason high doses of vitamin C would cause permanent or serious harm to a patient. There's also zero reason to think it would help.

However

What Jack Action was pointing out was that anything that can crank your immune system up so effectively that you can fight off (full blown) meningitis in less then a day would have catastrophic affects on the body, be it vitamins, vaccine, or magical rain dance. That would be like putting a rocket on your car to get to work faster - It may very well work, but either the car, the building you work at, you, or everything wont be the same afterwards.

Vitamins aren't even remotely similar to homeopathy, which is based on using the smallest possible amount of a given medicament, and then diluting it down to essentially nothing with lots of water.

High dose Vitamin C therapy is the very antithesis of homeopathy. Vitmins are something you can measure, homeopathy is not.

And yet, both homeopathy and C-Therapy share one thing - A complete inability to show how in the hell they work.

 

[Jack Action]

There is absolutely no way in hell that would work as stated.

Tell that to the man in this news segment:

Much like with the rest of your post, someone already beat me to it (thanks for expanding, btw, Accursed): his doctors. The clip flat out said the doctors didn't think the vitamin C helped, and that it was changing his position that slightly cleared out his lungs giving him a chance.

...and I can tell you from experience that changing your position helps significantly when your lungs are filled with fluid, but I digress.

Let me ask you this: you'd agree that the people in charge of big pharma are smart, yes? Cruel, heartless, greedy, selfish and whatever sure, but you'd agree they can't be considered idiots, yes?

So with that in mind, do you really think wasting stupid amounts of money suppressing such a miracle cure is really the best way of making use of it they could come up with, instead of, oh, I dunno, creating a highly concentrated vitamin C pill combined with a few hundred other useless things to hide the fact that it's C doing all the work, and selling it for 10 bucks a pill? It may not sound like a lot, but it's not a permanent fix, so you have to keep taking it, and it seems to cure damn near anything except genetic defects. It's literally an eternal cash cow. Sniffles? 20 bucks. Meningitis? 100 bucks. AIDs? couple grand. Get them again? Time to buy more pills.

 

[Kanedias]

By your logic, red wine must be magic!

Well not magic, but certainly useful; https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/how-resveratrol-may-fight-aging

I admit; I take a Resveratrol supplement along with all those useless Vitamins. I think I'll live to be 120. *Fingers crossed*

I think you're not going to have that much luck, based on your beliefs, the first major illness that you don't get lucky with will end you. Of course, you are free to die as you see fit. I only care about these issues when they effect people who don't get to make a freely informed choice, like children. Adults should be free to live and die as they see fit.

 

[Mr.Savage]

How about you break down why Vit C would help in the first place?

Alright. Here's a tailor-made break down of how it works, and why it doesn't mess up your immune system.

If you don't want to read what follows, the video below will get you the same facts in under 4 minutes.



Read this linked article which specifies the War for Iron during an infection.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2920840/

And here is the break down:

In the presence of catalytic metals (iron for our purposes), ascorbate (Vitamin C) exhibits a very targeted, pro-oxidant effect, where the redox-active metal is reduced by ascorbate and then in turn reacts with oxygen, producing superoxide* that subsequently dismutes to produce H2O2, or hydrogen peroxide.

This is known as the "Fenton Reaction"; a process by which Vitamin C donates an electron to the iron in the pathogenic mircoorganism, the metal ion is then reduced from its oxidized form to its reduced form, such as Fe3+ or ferric to Fe2+ or ferrous iron. This reduction occurs by superoxide*, which itself is turned to hydrogen peroxide. It is the reduced metal ion that begins the pathogenic elimination, because in the Fenton Reaction, the reduced metal ion reacts with hydrogen peroxide to form hydroxyl radicals, which destroy the offending microorganism in a selective manner.

This does not overdrive the immune system at all, it acts in an entirely independent fashion. It actually works right along side the immune system.

* it should be noted that Superoxide is biologically quite toxic and is deployed naturally by the immune system to kill invading microorganisms.

What Jack Action was pointing out was that anything that can crank your immune system up so effectively that you can fight off (full blown) meningitis in less then a day would have catastrophic affects on the body... wont be the same afterwards.

See above.

Let me ask you this: you'd agree that the people in charge of big pharma are smart, yes? Cruel, heartless, greedy, selfish and whatever sure, but you'd agree they can't be considered idiots, yes?

None of them could get through the 6 to 8 years of college if they were idiots, so I'll agree, they aren't idiots.

So with that in mind, do you really think wasting stupid amounts of money suppressing such a miracle cure is really the best way of making use of it they could come up with, instead of, oh, I dunno, creating a highly concentrated vitamin C pill combined with a few hundred other useless things to hide the fact that it's C doing all the work, and selling it for 10 bucks a pill? It may not sound like a lot, but it's not a permanent fix, so you have to keep taking it, and it seems to cure damn near anything except genetic defects. It's literally an eternal cash cow. Sniffles? 20 bucks. Meningitis? 100 bucks. AIDs? couple grand. Get them again? Time to buy more pills.

At the risk of sounding mystical; the question answers itself. Specifically, you are talking about an essential nutrient here. Vitamins aren't suppressed, they're just undervalued and very misunderstood by medicine.

Vitamin C is a special case, in that it is not only a macro-nutrient, it also exhibits therapeutic effects when used in appropriate doses. The human body benefits from a relatively large quantity of it in relation to the other Vitamins, and should be considered separately from the other Vitamins with respect to dose.

Vitamin C has a very short half-life in a healthy body, and an extremely short half-life in a sick body. The body will use all the Vitamin C it can get, and can make do with less than ideal amounts.

https://biology.stackexchange.com/q...mans-not-produce-vitamin-c-like-other-mammals

So essentially, the permanent fix is to keep a delta of extra Vitamin C flowing in the blood stream to assist in the many things Vitamin C is useful for in the body.


This is not so much an issue of Big Pharma as it is of medicine in general undervaluing the capabilities of Vitamins. It's not a matter of being evil or greedy, it's simply that medicine always regarded Vitamins as something you take to prevent a deficiency disease like scurvy.

To them, if you don't have scurvy, you don't need any Vitamin C. Biochemical models suggest otherwise, but bear in mind; it took centuries for orthodox medicine to accept that Vitamin C would do anything useful at all (like cure scurvy).

Some physicians would stand by and see their patient die rather than use ascorbic acid because in their finite minds it exists only as a vitamin."

We never really escaped that dogmatic paradigm.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Spoiler

How about you break down why Vit C would help in the first place?

Alright. Here's a tailor-made break down of how it works, and why it doesn't mess up your immune system.

If you don't want to read what follows, the video below will get you the same facts in under 4 minutes.



Read this linked article which specifies the War for Iron during an infection.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2920840/

And here is the break down:

In the presence of catalytic metals (iron for our purposes), ascorbate (Vitamin C) exhibits a very targeted, pro-oxidant effect, where the redox-active metal is reduced by ascorbate and then in turn reacts with oxygen, producing superoxide* that subsequently dismutes to produce H2O2, or hydrogen peroxide.

This is known as the "Fenton Reaction"; a process by which Vitamin C donates an electron to the iron in the pathogenic mircoorganism, the metal ion is then reduced from its oxidized form to its reduced form, such as Fe3+ or ferric to Fe2+ or ferrous iron. This reduction occurs by superoxide*, which itself is turned to hydrogen peroxide. It is the reduced metal ion that begins the pathogenic elimination, because in the Fenton Reaction, the reduced metal ion reacts with hydrogen peroxide to form hydroxyl radicals, which destroy the offending microorganism in a selective manner.

This does not overdrive the immune system at all, it acts in an entirely independent fashion. It actually works right along side the immune system.

* it should be noted that Superoxide is biologically quite toxic and is deployed naturally by the immune system to kill invading microorganisms.

While it's kind of cute you went out of your way to make a youtube video, just for me, I have to wonder why. Don't want me watching the rest of that lecture?

In any case, all of what you say is, for the most part, technically true. However, the Fenton Reaction occurs in the body rather readily, even without excessive vitamin c supplements, and is, in fact, dangerous to human beings. While you seem to be under the impression that the results of this reaction are 'targeted,' they are, in fact, not. It readily occurs where ever free iron can be found in the body, and in places where iron is 'bound' up, and rather indiscriminately assaults biological material. Their have been studies done that showed increased fenton reaction (Caused by increases in iron present in an organism) have a correlation with tumor presence and size.

Besides the seemingly negative affects of excess fenton reactions (Which I wont claim as absolute truth, because their still working on it), the most common limiting factor of how often it occurs in humans is not vitamin c, but iron. So load up on vitamin c all you want - It wont do anything because their just isn't enough iron floating around in you for it to make a difference, and if there was, there's a good chance it would hurt more then help.

Spoiler

So with that in mind, do you really think wasting stupid amounts of money suppressing such a miracle cure is really the best way of making use of it they could come up with, instead of, oh, I dunno, creating a highly concentrated vitamin C pill combined with a few hundred other useless things to hide the fact that it's C doing all the work, and selling it for 10 bucks a pill? It may not sound like a lot, but it's not a permanent fix, so you have to keep taking it, and it seems to cure damn near anything except genetic defects. It's literally an eternal cash cow. Sniffles? 20 bucks. Meningitis? 100 bucks. AIDs? couple grand. Get them again? Time to buy more pills.

At the risk of sounding mystical; the question answers itself. Specifically, you are talking about an essential nutrient here. Vitamins aren't suppressed, they're just undervalued and very misunderstood by medicine.

Vitamin C is a special case, in that it is not only a macro-nutrient, it also exhibits therapeutic effects when used in appropriate doses. The human body benefits from a relatively large quantity of it in relation to the other Vitamins, and should be considered separately from the other Vitamins with respect to dose.

Vitamin C has a very short half-life in a healthy body, and an extremely short half-life in a sick body. The body will use all the Vitamin C it can get, and can make do with less than ideal amounts.

How you went out of your way to make me a special youtube video, and yet managed to misquote me three times, is beyond me. But ok.

This simply isn't true. Some studies have found that, at least for some people, the typical 'daily dose' of vitamin c is a bit higher then previously expected. But its still faily small - At most, 120mg a day. The only exceptions hav been a studys that found vitamin c doses of 500mg can help with people who have severe problems.

Perhaps more amusingly, megadoses of vitamin c have a particular side effect - It can cause frequent urination and diarrhea. Which has a predicatable result - You eject excess vitamin c rather readily.

https://biology.stackexchange.com/q...mans-not-produce-vitamin-c-like-other-mammals

You really need to read your links. The answer given on that website clearly states that we get all the vitamin c we'll ever need from a typical diet. Which begs the question - If we already get all the vitamin c we can possible use from food, then why dop we get sick at all?

This is not so much an issue of Big Pharma as it is of medicine in general undervaluing the capabilities of Vitamins. It's not a matter of being evil or greedy, it's simply that medicine always regarded Vitamins as something you take to prevent a deficiency disease like scurvy.

Medicine is largely unconcerned with vitamins because there's no evidence we need more then what we get out of a typical diet. Vitamins are all fairly basic materials that are found in pretty much everything is varying quantities. Chances are, if you're not starving, or existing purely on twinkies, you'll get everything you can possible use.

To them, if you don't have scurvy, you don't need any Vitamin C. Biochemical models suggest otherwise, but bear in mind; it took centuries for orthodox medicine to accept that Vitamin C would do anything useful at all (like cure scurvy).

Vitamin C was discovered in the nineteen fucking twenty-seven by Albert Szent-Gy?rgyi, and was discovered to be the thing you needed to stop scurvy by Charles Glen King in nineteen god damn thirty-two. Five years. A century is 100 years. Even if Vitamin C still wasn't accepted as a cure for scurvy today, we'd have to wait another 11 years.

Some physicians would stand by and see their patient die rather than use ascorbic acid because in their finite minds it exists only as a vitamin."

He also claimed he could cure alcoholism with vitamin supplements. Ok.

 

[Mr.Savage]

While it's kind of cute you went out of your way to make a youtube video, just for me, I have to wonder why. Don't want me watching the rest of that lecture?

Hardly, I just know that no one will want to watch a lecture that's almost 2 hours long when they're biased against the material to start with.

In any case, all of what you say is, for the most part, technically true. However, the Fenton Reaction occurs in the body rather readily, even without excessive vitamin c supplements, and is, in fact, dangerous to human beings. While you seem to be under the impression that the results of this reaction are 'targeted,' they are, in fact, not. It readily occurs where ever free iron can be found in the body, and in places where iron is 'bound' up, and rather indiscriminately assaults biological material. Their have been studies done that showed increased fenton reaction (Caused by increases in iron present in an organism) have a correlation with tumor presence and size

.



At 2:41 into the above lecture, clarification is made on the possibility of excess Fenton Reaction, check it out.

Besides the seemingly negative affects of excess fenton reactions (Which I wont claim as absolute truth, because their still working on it), the most common limiting factor of how often it occurs in humans is not vitamin c, but iron. So load up on vitamin c all you want - It wont do anything because their just isn't enough iron floating around in you for it to make a difference, and if there was, there's a good chance it would hurt more then help.

If all of this is true, then Dr. Klenner's 60 Polio patients got well from something other than the IV Vitamin C they received. Why would he leave that out of his journal reports?

Perhaps more amusingly, megadoses of vitamin c have a particular side effect - It can cause frequent urination and diarrhea. Which has a predicatable result - You eject excess vitamin c rather readily.

Interestingly, the threshold at which diarrhoea occurs from oral ingestion is materially increased during illness.

I should also point out that this effect can be lessened if the ascorbic acid is first buffered with an alkaline mineral such as calcium or magnesium oxide. Sodium Bicarbonate is also commonly used.

This effect can be eliminated entirely if one takes the Vitamin C intravenously or ingests a Liposomal Encapsulated variety, which is my preferred method.

You really need to read your links. The answer given on that website clearly states that we get all the vitamin c we'll ever need from a typical diet. Which begs the question - If we already get all the vitamin c we can possible use from food, then why do we get sick at all?

I know the link states we get all we need from diet. I was more interested in this part:

Humans do not produce Vitamin C due to a mutation in the GULO (gulonolactone oxidase) gene, which results in the inability to synthesize the protein. Normal GULO is an enzyme that catalyses the reaction of D-glucuronolactone with oxygen to L-xylo-hex-3-gulonolactone. This then spontaneously forms Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C). However without the GULO enzyme, no vitamin C is produced.

Medicine is largely unconcerned with vitamins because there's no evidence we need more then what we get out of a typical diet. Vitamins are all fairly basic materials that are found in pretty much everything is varying quantities. Chances are, if you're not starving, or existing purely on twinkies, you'll get everything you can possible use.

A "typical" diet in western society isn't exactly bursting with nutrition. Medicine is largely unconcerned with nutrition in general.

Vitamin C was discovered in the nineteen fucking twenty-seven by Albert Szent-Gy?rgyi, and was discovered to be the thing you needed to stop scurvy by Charles Glen King in nineteen god damn thirty-two. Five years. A century is 100 years. Even if Vitamin C still wasn't accepted as a cure for scurvy today, we'd have to wait another 11 years.

I refer to days even earlier when poor lads took to sea and didn't understand why their skin was literally coming apart and rotting off them.

http://www.hektoeninternational.org/documents/sailors_scurvy-final.pdf

He also claimed he could cure alcoholism with vitamin supplements. Ok.

How is that worse than claiming Polio is easily dispatched with Vitamin C infusion?