Candy Crush Saga's Q1 2014 Profits Crush Nintendo

[NiPah]

You must certainly be the delight of parties. You attack the one person who doesn't go out of there way to point out how little something like this matters in the long run and say that that represents everyone.

Furthermore, what News Articles on Mario Kart 8? I think there was the review, and the bundle message. Was there more?

Just running a search netted me these:

Spoiler

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/editorials/reviews/11450-Mario-Kart-8-Review-What-More-Do-You-Want
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/134150-Mario-Kart-8-Comes-With-One-of-Ten-Free-Wii-U-Games
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escapist-news-now/8997-New-Details-on-Mario-Kart-8
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/132744-Mario-Kart-8-Limited-Edition-Comes-With-a-Replica-Blue-Shell
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/132237-Mario-Kart-8-Trailer-Reveals-Release-Date-New-Characters
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/131814-Mario-Kart-8-Will-Release-in-May
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/130657-New-Mario-Kart-8-Trailer-Zooms-Through-Giant-Cakes-Jungle-Ruins
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/trailers/7531-Mario-Kart-8-E3-2013-Trailer
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/editorials/reviews/previews/10437-Preview-Mario-Kart-8-Is-What-You-Expected-and-a-Little-More
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/124832-Mario-Kart-8-Hits-the-Track-Next-Year

I quoted Aiddon because I was answering a question he asked. It was a little easier answering his post then say quoting and answering Dragonbums who just accused the Escapist of Clickbaiting without actually posting worthwhile.

I mean what would I have said? It isn't rocket science that websites write stories to build interest and gain views.

And for you, how would I had approached your point? You said "hey ignore this point, last generation games sold bad too, threads like this are bullcrap, consoles sell worse then PCs, I'm looking forward to Nintendo games, King may or may die out soon".
How the hell do I argue with that? It didn't deal with Nintendo game revenue of Q1 2014 which was focused on in the article, it didn't deal with King's revenue of Q1 in 2014, the only relevant piece was when you compared Nintendo sales to Sony/MS during a similar period of their console lifetime but you neglected to post any relevant links backing this up (and like hell I'm going to look those up).

So yes, Aiddon has a nice short post which I could easily argue, was sensibly written, and he's a known Nintendo diehard so I quoted him.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

You must certainly be the delight of parties. You attack the one person who doesn't go out of there way to point out how little something like this matters in the long run and say that that represents everyone.

Furthermore, what News Articles on Mario Kart 8? I think there was the review, and the bundle message. Was there more?

I just find odd coincidences like I mentioned in my previous post fascinating. Heck, I find it even more fascinating how liking something is now considered an insult; like nobody is allowed to like anything without putting an asterisk next to it because because being called a "fanboy" would be too humiliating. Well, at least for anybody who didn't grow out of the insecure high school phase YEARS ago.

 

[NiPah]

I just find odd coincidences like I mentioned in my previous post fascinating. Heck, I find it even more fascinating how liking something is now considered an insult; like nobody is allowed to like anything without putting an asterisk next to it because because being called a "fanboy" would be too humiliating. Well, at least for anybody who didn't grow out of the insecure high school phase YEARS ago.

You make it sound like I consider you a fan of Nintendo.

All I see in this thread is people attacking an article comparing quarterly earnings of Nintendo to King. I argued some counter points and then said how amusing I found the Nintendo diehards, your fandom or admiration for Nintendo were never brought into question by me, just your arguments against this article.

 

[Dragonbums]

All I see in this thread is people attacking an article comparing quarterly earnings of Nintendo to King.

And that's the issue here. Nobody is attacking the article because King was said to out make Nintendo in profits. They were attacking it because this isn't the first time Escapist pulled the "Mobile company makes more profits than [insert AAA company here] in quarterly earnings" like it's a huge fucking deal only to have them in the following months or year shut down or filing for bankruptcy.

I argued some counter points and then said how amusing I found the Nintendo diehards, your fandom or admiration for Nintendo were never brought into question by me, just your arguments against this article.

To find amusement in "Nintendo Diehards" within this thread would be to make a remark upon the very admiration they have for Nintendo in the first place. Otherwise you might as well of just been saying that to people who may have zero likes or affiliation with Nintendo to begin with.

If you were simply singling out one person in the entire thread (and we all know who it is) then you might as well just say that instead.


EDIT: Unrelated to the reply at hand I have also noticed with increased frequency that ever since jeffers was banned from the forums it seems that the people who made "Nintendo Defense Force" a legitimate thing here on the Escapist have been lacking a poster child to point to as a prime example of fanatical Nintendo fanboys.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

First off, Nintendo was screwed over by the same third party developers during the first year of the Wii U. Now, you can call it karma for the way Nintendo treated third party until the N64, but western third party made promises than ran off laughing.

Can Nintendo fans stop with the "broken 3rd party promises" tears already. 3rd party publishers promised nothing. They saw that the sales of their software on Nintendo consoles was literally not worth making games for the Wii U. Look at software sales for 3rd party games in the last 2 years of the Wii's lifespan. They were pretty abysmal.

This situation that Nintendo is in has been decades in the making. This has been years of Nintendo being literally the worst of the console manufacturers to work with since Sega stopped making consoles.

If you honestly think that one year of "broken promises" by 3rd party publishers is the sole reason for the piss poor sales of the Wii U, you're out of your gourd. One year of very little games hasn't affected the PS4/X1 sales, it didn't affect the PS3 sales as badly as its hurting Nintendo right now either.


This is mostly Nintendo's fault here. They shouldn't have been so damn difficult for the 3rd party for so damn long. And the lack of localization is another major factor. Honestly, we're almost 2 years into the Wii U being on shelves and fanboys can't stop blaming companies for not making games they would have most likely never bought in the first place?

What's going to be the excuse for Wii U Year 2? You have a Smash Bros game on the way, Mario Kart 8 is out, Super Mario 3D Land is out. You can't blame the 3rd party for not wanting literally to burn money on a console that's market won't touch their games. I mean for crying out loud, Rayman Origins failed to sell on the Wii.

This isn't just a Wii U problem.

It's a Nintendo problem.

 

[Dragonbums]

Can Nintendo fans stop with the "broken 3rd party promises" tears already. 3rd party publishers promised nothing.

Except for that whole video thing where they went on camera and stated that they will definitely be making games for the Wii U before it launched and the only company to even remotely keep their promise was Ubisoft.

You know, it's literally the same situation with Mass Effect 3's ending. Casey Hudson went on public record stating that the endings would most definitely not be an A, B, C ending. He said that in videos, he said that in gaming panels, and he said that in interviews. When the game came out it was an A, B, C ending and I didn't really see anybody claiming that Bioware didn't "break any promises" because their lies were right there for the whole internet to see.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdFToeR_DJk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fldgF3bew1o


It's amazing how full of crock shit this industry is. Any other politician would be called out hard for pulling bullshit like this. Yet we are the only entertainment medium were people can pull shit like that, and get away with it with the simply excuse of "not enough power". (like that stopped them from supporting weaker consoles in the past)

 

[NiPah]

And that's the issue here. Nobody is attacking the article because King was said to out make Nintendo in profits. They were attacking it because this isn't the first time Escapist pulled the "Mobile company makes more profits than [insert AAA company here] in quarterly earnings" like it's a huge fucking deal only to have them in the following months or year shut down or filing for bankruptcy.

It's an easy point to make, attack the article for the fact that King just has a single game which makes up 80% of it's earnings, how it's profits are drawn from advertisements which is very hard to value, its predatory tactics, or how it overvalued itself for public trading which resulting in huge earnings inflation. It's easy to say why the findings are meaningless, but instead the prevailing argument was that reporting negative news as a whole was the major fault here.

I'm arguing that this is newsworthy, it's not the death knell of Nintendo, and there's a high probability that King will be dead in a year, but it's still an interesting little statistical tidbit that doesn't deserve the err of the Nintendo Defenseforce for it's simply for existing.

To find amusement in "Nintendo Diehards" within this thread would be to make a remark upon the very admiration they have for Nintendo in the first place. Otherwise you might as well of just been saying that to people who may have zero likes or affiliation with Nintendo to begin with.

If you were simply singling out one person in the entire thread (and we all know who it is) then you might as well just say that instead.

Ah, the point I was making was more to say that being a fan of Nintendo wasn't why I was attacking Aidden, his entertainingly zealous defense of Nintendo was what I singling out. It was just an easy way to drive home the point.

EDIT: Unrelated to the reply at hand I have also noticed with increased frequency that ever since jeffers was banned from the forums it seems that the people who made "Nintendo Defense Force" a legitimate thing here on the Escapist have been lacking a poster child to point to as a prime example of fanatical Nintendo fanboys.

I'm just not sure you can be that person, your use of poor logic seems a bit too forced sometimes and in all honesty you're too likable. I would actually say Aidden would fit that role better since he's gone out of his way to be openly hostile towards Sony, but he doesn't really post enough. Xaszatm tends to make posts that are too long and superfluous, and often adds in unvarified data to support his arguments so it's too much of a pain to argue with.

Ah tis a troubling time, all we can hope for is JEFFERs being allowed back in.

 

[Dragonbums]

I'm arguing that this is newsworthy, it's not the death knell of Nintendo, and there's a high probability that King will be dead in a year, but it's still an interesting little statistical tidbit that doesn't deserve the err of the Nintendo Defenseforce for it's simply for existing.

But it's not newsworthy in the slightest. Almost every single person has a phone. A large chunk of them are able to afford smartphones. People with smartphones far exceeds the amount of Playstation 3s, Xbox Ones, and Wii U's combined. So naturally a one shot dev that made on crack addicting game would make a fuck ton more than Nintendo, or Sony, or even Microsoft.

People are attacking the article because it is fucking stupid. I don't think even IGN or Kotaku reported it. And they are fucking masters at making articles that are stupid or irrelevant. But nope, obviously the people who called it out are apparently part of the NDF.
It has nothing to do with Nintendo at all. Or the supposed "death knell" this article is ringing.

Ah, the point I was making was more to say that being a fan of Nintendo wasn't why I was attacking Aidden, his entertainingly zealous defense of Nintendo was what I singling out. It was just an easy way to drive home the point.

Sorry for the misunderstanding then.

Ah tis a troubling time, all we can hope for is JEFFERs being allowed back in.

Well someone who also commented in this thread stated in another thread that I was apparently the new captain of the NDF since jeffers left. So I guess there is that.

I have no doubt he would be let back in within a year. His final post was an argument over hack and slash mechanics and if I remember both participants got a warning for being too heated. Granted for jeffers it was just the last straw.

 

[Jumwa]

They took a loss. By your rationale my small book publishing company is kicking Nintendo's ass because we made a profit.

This is such a silly comparison to bring up.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

Except for that whole video thing where they went on camera and stated that they will definitely be making games for the Wii U before it launched and the only company to even remotely keep their promise was Ubisoft.

You know, it's literally the same situation with Mass Effect 3's ending. Casey Hudson went on public record stating that the endings would most definitely not be an A, B, C ending. He said that in videos, he said that in gaming panels, and he said that in interviews. When the game came out it was an A, B, C ending and I didn't really see anybody claiming that Bioware didn't "break any promises" because their lies were right there for the whole internet to see.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdFToeR_DJk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fldgF3bew1o


It's amazing how full of crock shit this industry is. Any other politician would be called out hard for pulling bullshit like this. Yet we are the only entertainment medium were people can pull shit like that, and get away with it with the simply excuse of "not enough power". (like that stopped them from supporting weaker consoles in the past)

Why are we even still bringing up 3rd parties with Nintendo in regards to this thread? It doesn't pertain to the article and just comes off as derailing in order to get a rise out of people.

Heck, the biggest problem as somebody mentioned, was that this will probably ultimately mean nothing. Sure, the company is making the bank NOW, but as history has shown these kind of companies really just have a strip-mining method with no real interest in the long-term. This is what happens when you emphasize profit over longevity.

 

[xaszatm]

First off, Nintendo was screwed over by the same third party developers during the first year of the Wii U. Now, you can call it karma for the way Nintendo treated third party until the N64, but western third party made promises than ran off laughing.

Can Nintendo fans stop with the "broken 3rd party promises" tears already. 3rd party publishers promised nothing. They saw that the sales of their software on Nintendo consoles was literally not worth making games for the Wii U. Look at software sales for 3rd party games in the last 2 years of the Wii's lifespan. They were pretty abysmal.

This situation that Nintendo is in has been decades in the making. This has been years of Nintendo being literally the worst of the console manufacturers to work with since Sega stopped making consoles.

If you honestly think that one year of "broken promises" by 3rd party publishers is the sole reason for the piss poor sales of the Wii U, you're out of your gourd. One year of very little games hasn't affected the PS4/X1 sales, it didn't affect the PS3 sales as badly as its hurting Nintendo right now either.


This is mostly Nintendo's fault here. They shouldn't have been so damn difficult for the 3rd party for so damn long. And the lack of localization is another major factor. Honestly, we're almost 2 years into the Wii U being on shelves and fanboys can't stop blaming companies for not making games they would have most likely never bought in the first place?

What's going to be the excuse for Wii U Year 2? You have a Smash Bros game on the way, Mario Kart 8 is out, Super Mario 3D Land is out. You can't blame the 3rd party for not wanting literally to burn money on a console that's market won't touch their games. I mean for crying out loud, Rayman Origins failed to sell on the Wii.

This isn't just a Wii U problem.

It's a Nintendo problem.

Of course I don't think that the third party sales were the only problem. I have said (though not on this thread so I apologize for not saying here) that the two main causes behind Nintendo's woes were the lack of advertisements for the Wii U and their games (though Mario Kart 8 and Super Smash Brothers might be an indication of change there) and the over emphasis on the 3DS during the first year of the Wii U, causing it to have an astonishing lack of first party titles. Now, for the first 6 months, third party was to cover for it but the lack of commitment shows in how little Wii U games were coming out. So, yeah, Nintendo is primarily to blame for its own woes.

But that wasn't the point here. We were discussing the lack of third party games aspect of the Wii U's state for my first point. And I noted that in the long run, Nintendo's draconian treatment of third parties from the NES onwards caused a lot of folks to jump ship at the first opportunity and why them getting screwed by third parties during that first 6 months can (and I emphasize the "can") be explained by the lack of trust Nintendo has. That still doesn't excuse the third party companies for jumping ship, but there is context there. So, yeah, you got completely the wrong message there. With this and given what I said above, you will realize that I am not saying Nintendo's problems were the cause of everyone else but them.

Furthermore, you do realize that the 2 times Nintendo backed the strongest console on the market, it was faced with dead last? It was only with the Wii and the Wii U that they placed dead last in the POWAH race. Power does not equal success in consoles.

Finally, I agree with your statement that the Wii U will do horribly during this second year. Iwata has only just recently started the teams to devote themselves to the Wii U and it will be during the 3rd year in which we will see a bigger flow of games from Nintendo because, quite simply, you can't makes games that fast. Currently, it has to do with the few high AAA third parties it's got and that just won't be enough. If Nintendo makes a profit this year, it will be due to the 3DS and not the Wii U. Whether the Wii U succeeds or fails in the future remains to be seen. Remember that the PS3 was touted as a dustbin product only the Slim was released. These game companies aren't completely stupid.

EDIT: But now we are going way off topic here. I apologize for veering this so far off course. My point for the topic is that most social games have a huge high then crash and burn. While it is possible that King will be able to keep this train flowing, with what we have seen of that company (it being copyright-sue happy), it isn't likely that the money flow will sustain. I went after you because your topic had nothing to do with the topic either and was rather anger-inducing.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

Can Nintendo fans stop with the "broken 3rd party promises" tears already. 3rd party publishers promised nothing.

Except for that whole video thing where they went on camera and stated that they will definitely be making games for the Wii U before it launched and the only company to even remotely keep their promise was Ubisoft.

You know, it's literally the same situation with Mass Effect 3's ending. Casey Hudson went on public record stating that the endings would most definitely not be an A, B, C ending. He said that in videos, he said that in gaming panels, and he said that in interviews. When the game came out it was an A, B, C ending and I didn't really see anybody claiming that Bioware didn't "break any promises" because their lies were right there for the whole internet to see.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdFToeR_DJk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fldgF3bew1o


It's amazing how full of crock shit this industry is. Any other politician would be called out hard for pulling bullshit like this. Yet we are the only entertainment medium were people can pull shit like that, and get away with it with the simply excuse of "not enough power". (like that stopped them from supporting weaker consoles in the past)

You do realize that
A) They didn't "promise" anything. The word promise never came out any 3rd party publisher's mouth. That's fanciful thinking. They merely said they'd be making games for the console.

and

B) All of what they said was prior to the abysmal sales that the Wii U had. Games get cancelled all the time. Ubisoft made Rayman Legends multiplatform due to the piss poor sales of Rayman Origins on the Wii.

If these major 3rd party publishers couldn't even sell well on the highest selling console of the 7th gen market (even while making a game that Nintendo's target audience should have bought in droves), why the hell should they spend the money to make a game that would assuredly flop?

A bunch of the games that Nintendo showed at the Wii U's unveiling E3 came out. Most of the companies that appeared in the videos you posted did make games for the Wii U. The only company I noticed not making a Wii U game has been Namco Bandai on the "Tekken Wii U Successor", and really, at this point can you blame them?


But not once was there any mention of a "promise". That's something Nintendo fans conjured up.

You'd have a better argument talking about Capcom cancelling Megaman Legends 3. The 3DS sales now are more than enough to warrant the release of a game that was nearly finished years ago. but as far promises go, there were none. Just a bunch of 3rd party devs and publishers excited for the console and then being scared off by Nintendo mishandling its unveiling so badly that CNN thought the Wii U was a new peripheral due to them not showing the console in 2011. Also but pricing it so close to the the PS4 that justifying it hardware wise was hard to do. And by the lack of games even from Nintendo themselves that would have moved units.

At this point as I've stated, blaming the 3rd party for not wanting to throw millions of dollars into a fire is asinine. I really worry for the people working at Platinum Games right now. As a small creative game studio build on the ashes of another small creative game studio I worry that if Bayonetta 2 bombs as badly as Wonderful 101 did, I really hope it doesn't hurt them too badly. Those guys have been on a thin line since their games lost them and Sega a bunch of money in that contract.