Cap 3 passes BvS box office

[MatParker116]

http://collider.com/captain-america-civil-war-weekend-box-office-records/

Already at $940 million, gotta say I'm surprised I thought that while Cap 3 would do better critically BvS would do better at the box office. Cap3 will probably hit IM3, AOU numbers and WB will wonder why they let Zach Synder anywhere near the DCEU. First round to Marvel in a big wayz although I will be interested to see how WWdoes sandwiched between Guardians 2 and Spider Man.

 

[Chanticoblues]

At the start of the year I remember thinking that I would be surprised if a movie made more money than Civil War in 2016.

 

[DefunctTheory]

That was to be expected.

Tell me when it's passed Zootopia ($970 million), and we'll have something to talk about (And yes, I know it will in a week or soo, without fail).

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Undeserved success for a painfully average/standard Superhero movie.

And its Zack with a K.

 

[Zontar]

Undeserved success for a painfully average/standard Superhero movie.

Can you name a single movie to cross the billion dollar mark that wasn't painfully average/standard? Because appart from The Dark Knight which was good but no better I can't think of a single one.

Movies follow the same success distribution curve as quality: while movies below a certain level of quality are doomed to be at best less successful then better movies, the same holds true of great movies. There's no money in greatness when compared to average.

When it comes to movies the true metric for success is skewed anyway since people look at the whole medium and judge things based on that. This is a mistake, since what should be measured is the ability of the work to accomplish what it sets out to do. No one in their right mind expected Civil War to be an Oscar winning master piece (or anything else that is of similar success either). What people did expect was a two and a half hour piece of escapism that allowed them to be entertained by the story and action occurring in a fictional world that is not our own.

While as a movie in general it's not that great, in terms of accomplishing what it was trying to do it excelled. One can't reasonably demand much more then that.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Undeserved success for a painfully average/standard Superhero movie.

Can you name a single movie to cross the billion dollar mark that wasn't painfully average/standard? Because appart from The Dark Knight which was good but no better I can't think of a single one.

Movies follow the same success distribution curve as quality: while movies below a certain level of quality are doomed to be at best less successful then better movies, the same holds true of great movies. There's no money in greatness when compared to average.

When it comes to movies the true metric for success is skewed anyway since people look at the whole medium and judge things based on that. This is a mistake, since what should be measured is the ability of the work to accomplish what it sets out to do. No one in their right mind expected Civil War to be an Oscar winning master piece (or anything else that is of similar success either). What people did expect was a two and a half hour piece of escapism that allowed them to be entertained by the story and action occurring in a fictional world that is not our own.

While as a movie in general it's not that great, in terms of accomplishing what it was trying to do it excelled. One can't reasonably demand much more then that.

The thing is that once I have seen the Avengers I pretty much seen what I already seen.

To use an analogy Call of Duty peaked at 4 and it just steadily declined.

Rachet and Clank peaked at Up Your Arsenal (personally for me its Deadlocked/Gladiator) but then declined.

There is only so much Marvel can do to recreate that feeling of watching the first Avengers movie.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Spoiler

Undeserved success for a painfully average/standard Superhero movie.

Can you name a single movie to cross the billion dollar mark that wasn't painfully average/standard? Because appart from The Dark Knight which was good but no better I can't think of a single one.

Movies follow the same success distribution curve as quality: while movies below a certain level of quality are doomed to be at best less successful then better movies, the same holds true of great movies. There's no money in greatness when compared to average.

When it comes to movies the true metric for success is skewed anyway since people look at the whole medium and judge things based on that. This is a mistake, since what should be measured is the ability of the work to accomplish what it sets out to do. No one in their right mind expected Civil War to be an Oscar winning master piece (or anything else that is of similar success either). What people did expect was a two and a half hour piece of escapism that allowed them to be entertained by the story and action occurring in a fictional world that is not our own.

While as a movie in general it's not that great, in terms of accomplishing what it was trying to do it excelled. One can't reasonably demand much more then that.

The thing is that once I have seen the Avengers I pretty much seen what I already seen.

To use an analogy Call of Duty peaked at 4 and it just steadily declined.

Rachet and Clank peaked at Up Your Arsenal (personally for me its Deadlocked/Gladiator) but then declined.

There is only so much Marvel can do to recreate that feeling of watching the first Avengers movie.

This is true. But it appears the majority of movie goers and critics don't believe they've run out of ways to do so.

 

[Hawki]

Can you name a single movie to cross the billion dollar mark that wasn't painfully average/standard?

-The Dark Knight (as you mentioned)
-The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey
-Jurassic Park
-Toy Story 3
-Skyfall
-The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
-Iron Man 3
-Frozen
-Harry Potter & the Deathly Hallows (part 2)
-Avatar

No doubt some will disagree on what I consider to be "good," and not "average," but there's no shortage of films that passed the $1 billion mark. And while I like The Dark Knight, it's hardly got a monopoly on quality.

There is only so much Marvel can do to recreate that feeling of watching the first Avengers movie.

You mean the feeling of "did I just watch 90% of filler that leads up to 20 minutes of pretty enjoyable, however silly, combat? Because speaking personally, that's not a feeling I'd like replicated. For me, the MCU didn't peak at the Avengers per se. For me, it started off strong (Iron Man), quickly descended into average "blehness" (with Iron Man 2 easily being at the bottom of that scrap heap), peaked briefily in Iron Man 3, and managed to at least be enjoyable, if not "good," in more recent films (Guardians, Civil War). Suffice to say, Iron Man 3 is on my list of "good" films for a reason, while the Avengers isn't.

Unpopular opinion, but hey, I've put Avatar on my "good" list alongside Iron Man 3, Frozen, An Unexpected Journey, and Skyfall. Now quick - take votes as to which is going to get me the most flak. ;p

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Can you name a single movie to cross the billion dollar mark that wasn't painfully average/standard?

-The Dark Knight (as you mentioned)
-The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey
-Jurassic Park
-Toy Story 3
-Skyfall
-The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
-Iron Man 3
-Frozen
-Harry Potter & the Deathly Hallows (part 2)
-Avatar

No doubt some will disagree on what I consider to be "good," and not "average," but there's no shortage of films that passed the $1 billion mark. And while I like The Dark Knight, it's hardly got a monopoly on quality.

There is only so much Marvel can do to recreate that feeling of watching the first Avengers movie.

You mean the feeling of "did I just watch 90% of filler that leads up to 20 minutes of pretty enjoyable, however silly, combat? Because speaking personally, that's not a feeling I'd like replicated. For me, the MCU didn't peak at the Avengers per se. For me, it started off strong (Iron Man), quickly descended into average "blehness" (with Iron Man 2 easily being at the bottom of that scrap heap), peaked briefily in Iron Man 3, and managed to at least be enjoyable, if not "good," in more recent films (Guardians, Civil War). Suffice to say, Iron Man 3 is on my list of "good" films for a reason, while the Avengers isn't.

Unpopular opinion, but hey, I've put Avatar on my "good" list alongside Iron Man 3, Frozen, An Unexpected Journey, and Skyfall. Now quick - take votes as to which is going to get me the most flak. ;p

I expose my DC fanboy side in that I just want the Zack Snyder DC movies to succeed because all I care about from these Superhero movies is the action, especially the action of the climactic finale. And when comparing the 2 Zack Snyder is KING.

I smiled in glee at the Doomsday fight. I even ate up the destruction porn. The action in Marvel movies have not been hype since the first Avengers.

 

[K12]

Undeserved success for a painfully average/standard Superhero movie.

There's no money in greatness when compared to average.

This may well be the most hipster statement I've seen in a while.

There's definitely some truth in it though, a decent proportion of people don't want to be challenged by their films (which is fine) and generally something is unlikely to be genuinely great if it doesn't challenge you.

Personally I think that Civil War was miles away from being painfully average to the point of thinking it was really very good and did a hell of a lot more than provide the kind of "dumb fun" that superhero movies are often dismissed as being.

 

[2HF]

Man, it's almost as if different people like different things for different reasons. Who knew. Who knew it was possible to like things independent of how much money they did or didn't make? It's almost as if we all want to justify liking our thing because our thing has bigger numbers than someone else's thing, never mind that those numbers mean zilch to us because none of us invested in these things. At least not money. We invested time and love and we don't want that to be judged as a waste by strangers who's faces we'll never see and who's opinion we wouldn't care about if we saw them on the street.

It's almost like all the bickering is pointless and at the end of the day I can enjoy whatever I like and you can enjoy whatever you like and if I happen to like your thing too it doesn't diminish my like for my thing. It's pretty great!

 

[DrownedAmmet]

Cap 3 was obviously the better movie. I know this because I watched Cap 3 and it was awesome, whereas Dawn of Justice sucked so bad I didn't even watch it

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Cap 3 was obviously the better movie. I know this because I watched Cap 3 and it was awesome, whereas Dawn of Justice sucked so bad I didn't even watch it

You have not read bad comic books if you think BvS sucked

Spiderman One More Day is so bad it makes Amazing Spiderman 2 look good.

 

[Zontar]

This may well be the most hipster statement I've seen in a while.

To be fair, I did enjoy Civil War (in fact earlier today I watched it a second time after having watched it on its release day), and I'm about as big of an MCU fanboy as one can reasonably be without crossing any lines, but I also wouldn't give it more then a 7/10.

 

[Disco Biscuit]

on second thought, no.

 

[Saelune]

Undeserved success for a painfully average/standard Superhero movie.

And its Zack with a K.

Could have been better, but that airport fight scene was worth it. To have so many awesome Marvel characters beat the crap out of each other on the big screen like that was very satisfying, and something I could never imagine happening 10 years ago.

 

[twistedmic]

Cap 3 was obviously the better movie. I know this because I watched Cap 3 and it was awesome, whereas Dawn of Justice sucked so bad I didn't even watch it

Does that mean you bought a ticket for 'Dawn of Justice' and walked out because you didn't like it, or you decided from word of mouth that it sucked so you didn't even buy a ticket or try to watch it?
I watched 'Dawn of Justice' and liked it, I thought it was a good movie, though not without flaws. I haven't seen 'Civil War and don't plan to because it looks to me like just another average/basic Marvel movie filled with witty/sarcastic tension breaking quips and a lack of a sense of seriousness.

 

[Kenbo Slice]

Can you name a single movie to cross the billion dollar mark that wasn't painfully average/standard?

-The Dark Knight (as you mentioned)
-The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey
-Jurassic Park
-Toy Story 3
-Skyfall
-The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
-Iron Man 3
-Frozen
-Harry Potter & the Deathly Hallows (part 2)
-Avatar

No doubt some will disagree on what I consider to be "good," and not "average," but there's no shortage of films that passed the $1 billion mark. And while I like The Dark Knight, it's hardly got a monopoly on quality.

There is only so much Marvel can do to recreate that feeling of watching the first Avengers movie.

You mean the feeling of "did I just watch 90% of filler that leads up to 20 minutes of pretty enjoyable, however silly, combat? Because speaking personally, that's not a feeling I'd like replicated. For me, the MCU didn't peak at the Avengers per se. For me, it started off strong (Iron Man), quickly descended into average "blehness" (with Iron Man 2 easily being at the bottom of that scrap heap), peaked briefily in Iron Man 3, and managed to at least be enjoyable, if not "good," in more recent films (Guardians, Civil War). Suffice to say, Iron Man 3 is on my list of "good" films for a reason, while the Avengers isn't.

Unpopular opinion, but hey, I've put Avatar on my "good" list alongside Iron Man 3, Frozen, An Unexpected Journey, and Skyfall. Now quick - take votes as to which is going to get me the most flak. ;p

I expose my DC fanboy side in that I just want the Zack Snyder DC movies to succeed because all I care about from these Superhero movies is the action, especially the action of the climactic finale. And when comparing the 2 Zack Snyder is KING.

I smiled in glee at the Doomsday fight. I even ate up the destruction porn. The action in Marvel movies have not been hype since the first Avengers.

Snyder is a hack and Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice was one of the worst comic book films I've ever seen. Including TASM2.

 

[Imperioratorex Caprae]

Cap 3 was obviously the better movie. I know this because I watched Cap 3 and it was awesome, whereas Dawn of Justice sucked so bad I didn't even watch it

You have not read bad comic books if you think BvS sucked

Spiderman One More Day is so bad it makes Amazing Spiderman 2 look good.

That's nice but what bearing does that have on the discussion present? I mean I could rattle off plenty of DC stories that were crap as well but they mean relatively zero in regards to movie quality so... yeah.

OT: I'm not surprised. BvS had way too many errors in film quality to be considered a good movie. The only saving grace was getting a good Batman (Affleck nailed it) and that doesn't equate greatness. It sold as high as it did mainly on the name alone, whereas Marvel's at least proved they can make decent superhero flicks that at least are structurally sound. They don't have to be cinematic masterpieces but at least the editing is well done and thank fucking Cthulhu they don't use the grimdark filter. I swear I was wishing I could turn up the brightness settings watching BvS.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Cap 3 was obviously the better movie. I know this because I watched Cap 3 and it was awesome, whereas Dawn of Justice sucked so bad I didn't even watch it

You have not read bad comic books if you think BvS sucked

Spiderman One More Day is so bad it makes Amazing Spiderman 2 look good.

That's nice but what bearing does that have on the discussion present? I mean I could rattle off plenty of DC stories that were crap as well but they mean relatively zero in regards to movie quality so... yeah.

It has everything to do with for a long time DC fan. I have seen worse DC things then this movie. And I don't buy that whole "Judging movies alone" this is a DC properity so I judge the stories of video games, movies, animation, and comic books equally.