Capital Punishment

[Jumplion]

The thing about the guilotine is that the head of the person is still alive for a few seconds and in extreme pain after being beheaded.

I'd suppose so, but I thought that was only in rare cases? And a few seconds is better than a few minutes in cardiac arrest while getting lethal injection, or having a metal head pushed through your throat/mouth in that one Spanish execution device who's name escapes me.

Lethal injections are usually the most humane due to it not being a one step procedure. First the inject you with sedative that renders you unconscience than they induce the cardiac arrest by something else. The only time when this is not humane is when on rare occurances the person can feel whats going on, the name of this escapes me.

Also i apoligize for not knowing specific name because i did a project on capital punishment a few months ago, but i cant recall the names of the injections or the condition where you can feel the cardiac arrest while unconscience

The same thing can happen during operations, though that's just me giving a tidbit of info there. The name escapes me also.

There should be a "Pen And Teller's Bullshit" episode on it. They're against Death Penalty, but they do make valid arguments.

Hang on a sec, let me find it....

Bah, can't find it >_<

This is a good substitution though; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y44E5Kv09pE

 

[gupy77]

I'm against capital punishment because of the minute possibly of the person actually being innocent.

For example, in Canada back in the 60's a guy (I forget his name) was convicted of raping and killing a young girl. Just a year or two earlier he would have gotten the death sentence, but since it had been recently abolished he got life in prison instead. After 20 years the real rapist was caught and they let the guy go (with a bigass sack of money from the government to say sorry). The Tragically Hip wrote a song about him called "Wheat Kings", which is also quite good.

The man your talking about was a kid name steven truscott and they never caught the real criminal he was just declared innocent. More info can be found at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Truscott

 

[gupy77]

The thing about the guilotine is that the head of the person is still alive for a few seconds and in extreme pain after being beheaded.

I'd suppose so, but I thought that was only in rare cases? And a few seconds is better than a few minutes in cardiac arrest while getting lethal injection, or having a metal head pushed through your throat/mouth in that one Spanish execution device who's name escapes me.

Lethal injections are usually the most humane due to it not being a one step procedure. First the inject you with sedative that renders you unconscience than they induce the cardiac arrest by something else. The only time when this is not humane is when on rare occurances the person can feel whats going on, the name of this escapes me.

Also i apoligize for not knowing specific name because i did a project on capital punishment a few months ago, but i cant recall the names of the injections or the condition where you can feel the cardiac arrest while unconscience

The same thing can happen during operations, though that's just me giving a tidbit of info there. The name escapes me also.

There should be a "Pen And Teller's Bullshit" episode on it. They're against Death Penalty, but they do make valid arguments.

Hang on a sec, let me find it....

Bah, can't find it >_<

I found it its called Anesthesia awareness

 

[Jumplion]

I found it its called Anesthesia awareness

That's what it was called. Though I don't think Lethal Injection actually uses anesthetics. I asked my doctor about it when I was having a surgery on myself, and it's usually only in rare cases, but it does happen.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

There should be a "Pen And Teller's Bullshit" episode on it. They're against Death Penalty, but they do make valid arguments.

Hang on a sec, let me find it....

Bah, can't find it >_<

You say that like it's a bad thing. They are as bad as Bill O'Reilly when it comes to being loose with the facts.

 

[implodingMan]

I'm against capital punishment because of the minute possibly of the person actually being innocent.

For example, in Canada back in the 60's a guy (I forget his name) was convicted of raping and killing a young girl. Just a year or two earlier he would have gotten the death sentence, but since it had been recently abolished he got life in prison instead. After 20 years the real rapist was caught and they let the guy go (with a bigass sack of money from the government to say sorry). The Tragically Hip wrote a song about him called "Wheat Kings", which is also quite good.

The man your talking about was a kid name steven truscott and they never caught the real criminal he was just declared innocent. More info can be found at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Truscott

After a bit of research it seems I've combined his case and the case of a guy named David Milgaard. I learned about both of them a few years ago in a law class, and they have combined in my memories.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Milgaard

However, my point still stands.

 

[Jumplion]

There should be a "Pen And Teller's Bullshit" episode on it. They're against Death Penalty, but they do make valid arguments.

Hang on a sec, let me find it....

Bah, can't find it >_<

You say that like it's a bad thing. They are as bad as Bill O'Reilly when it comes to being loose with the facts.

While they are as biased as the devil himself, they do make some good points in some of their episodes. Though most of it is lost under the constant swearing of "BULLSHIT!"

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

I don't believe that capital punshment is right. Just because someone murdered someone, does killing them make you any better. I don't know.
"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" as Ghandi once said.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

There should be a "Pen And Teller's Bullshit" episode on it. They're against Death Penalty, but they do make valid arguments.

Hang on a sec, let me find it....

Bah, can't find it >_<

You say that like it's a bad thing. They are as bad as Bill O'Reilly when it comes to being loose with the facts.

While they are as biased as the devil himself, they do make some good points in some of their episodes. Though most of it is lost under the constant swearing of "BULLSHIT!"

They are capable of making good points, but they have also shown themselves to be capable of lying, making shit up, and being generally dishonest when it suits them.

 

[Jumplion]

There should be a "Pen And Teller's Bullshit" episode on it. They're against Death Penalty, but they do make valid arguments.

Hang on a sec, let me find it....

Bah, can't find it >_<

You say that like it's a bad thing. They are as bad as Bill O'Reilly when it comes to being loose with the facts.

While they are as biased as the devil himself, they do make some good points in some of their episodes. Though most of it is lost under the constant swearing of "BULLSHIT!"

They are capable of making good points, but they have also shown themselves to be capable of lying, making shit up, and being generally dishonest when it suits them.

I would like an example of this. Not because I don't believe you, I'd just like some examples of how they make shit up and stuff.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

There should be a "Pen And Teller's Bullshit" episode on it. They're against Death Penalty, but they do make valid arguments.

Hang on a sec, let me find it....

Bah, can't find it >_<

You say that like it's a bad thing. They are as bad as Bill O'Reilly when it comes to being loose with the facts.

While they are as biased as the devil himself, they do make some good points in some of their episodes. Though most of it is lost under the constant swearing of "BULLSHIT!"

They are capable of making good points, but they have also shown themselves to be capable of lying, making shit up, and being generally dishonest when it suits them.

I would like an example of this. Not because I don't believe you, I'd just like some examples of how they make shit up and stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKcibsUqN2A

Count the logical fallacies P&T use to make their case. Do P&T cite scientists? Nope. You get a bartender with a friend who've been in the business for decades and are "just fine". You get a couple of lobbyists. You get an "offended" radio talk show host. And a whole bunch of other people who aren't scientists.

On the other side, you get just two activists.

P&T cites one study, just one which was supposedly rejected from a federal court for statistical insignificance. This apparently is enough to determine that second-hand smoke is perfectly safe.

Hey, P&T had no problem finding orthopedic surgeons to rebut the "alien metals and materials pulled out of limbs" claims. They had no problem finding a chiropractor to rebut the legion of abusive ones. They even found a clinical psychologist to rebut regression therapy.

And yet, they couldn't find even one practicing medical scientist to explain the science and argue their thesis that second-hand smoke was safe?

Then they get into creative editing of the anti-smoking interviews. Oh my goodness. I turned off the episode when P&T started resorting to highly selective cuts of two seconds and frequently less to try and show that person's argument as specious.

It's ironic (and utterly hypocritical) of them to resort to creative editing to completely destroy the context of a person's statements when they spend episode one lambasting Edwards and Von Praag for using the very same tactics in filtering out their many misses.

Penn & Teller ARE bullshit. Watch that and you will see for yourself.

 

[Virus017]

The opposition to lethal injection is that it is not at all the most humane method we have invented. It may only be so in rare cases that the sedative doesn't work, but none of use can imagine the pain of not being able to breathe for several minutes. People are right, they don't use it to put down animals. Why? Because it's cruel. The method of killing humans involves a short-acting tranquilliser, a muscle relaxant, and finally something to induce cardiac arrest. They kill animals by giving them an overdose of that short acting tranquilliser, They go out without feeling any pain whatsoever.

However there is a reason why they don't kill people that way, according to a documentary I watched a while back, and from various threads I have seen on the net. The drug overdose given to animals sends them out on a 'high' (so actually an animal has a pleasurable end to its life, apparently like the effect had from cocaine, etc.). People argue that murderers don't deserve a pleasurable death, so the methods will remain the same, until something more reliable, pain free and 'non-fun' execution method exists.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

Eye for an Eye, I'd say. I believe any one who intentionally takes another's life, deserves the same. Whoever has such a pitiful view on the value of someone's life does not deserve another second on our planet.

Question for you DoomDispenser:- If a man is executed and later found to be innocent, does that mean that the judge, jury, executioner, and prosecution should all now be executed for their part in intentionally taking anothers life?

 

[Kajt]

I'm against capital punishment, mostly because if at any time the system screws up and we kill an innocent, what does that make us? Murderers.

True, true, capital punishment is indeed foolish.

 

[Gamine]

i dont like it, but some people deserve it.

 

[fix-the-spade]

One, California won't carry out any damn executions, that's why they've screwed up. And two, for my China comment, I just meant that we should actually be carrying out more of our sentences, I still think that rape, murder, and treason, and maybe a few others with special circumstances are the only crimes that are worth an execution.

Read the page on the link. It follows California with every US state that carries the death penalty. The story is much the same for all of them, death row costs several times Life Improsonment.

 

[Virus017]

As for whether Capital Punishment should exist... Well a few people have already said it: There would be too many innocent lives destroyed in the process. In a perfect world with a perfect system, yes. In our world, sadly, it can not be done.

Cuddly tomato: Helps to read the entire post.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

As for whether Capital Punishment should exist... Well a few people have already said it: There would be too many innocent lives destroyed in the process. In a perfect world with a perfect system, yes. In our world, sadly, it can not be done.

Cuddly tomato: Helps to read the entire post.

I did. The question still stands. The point I was making is that murder is murder, whether it is done by the state or by some drunk with a broken bottle.

 

[Unknower]

This video is relevant.


Seriously though, I think executing even one innocent would be one too many. So here's one no for capital punishment.


EDIT:

I think the death Penalty is Totally Badass.
BTW: I AM THE LAW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hyph_DZa_GQ&feature=channel

Dammit!

 

[Virus017]

Ah ok, though that you were referring to wrongful convictions.