Cartoons ruined by executive meddling.

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Cheesus Crust said:
Lizardon said:
Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes
Is that good? Is that the one where the opening episode features this super villain that can manipulate gravity? I'm a bit apprehensive of Marvel cartoons since most of them, in my current frame of mind, feel vapid. I mean the same can be said with most comic book cartoon adaptations but I dunno the only marvel cartoon I really ever fell in love with was X-men the Animated series even if I couldn't properly follow the plot I friggin loved that show.
Yeah it's the one with the gravity villain. Technically that's the first episode, mini-episodes set beforehand introducing all the characters were put online beforehand and compilations of the mini-episodes aired later after the premier.

Personally, I really loved the show. A lot of the characters get some decent development and personalities, the animation is really nice and the plots fairly solid. I'd say it's of equivalent quality to DC's Justice League cartoon if you've seen that.

It's definitely not for everyone, but I would recommend giving it a try. There is an over arching plot through out most of it, but you can pretty much start where ever as there are recaps of the important points.
 

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Another example of exective ruining the show is Pinky and the Brain. The show was fine the way it is until they decided the whole Brain wanting to take over the world is a bad thing and they competely revamp the show by bringing in Elmyra from Looney Toon!
Wait...what?

I've never actually done a spit-take, but that's about as close as I've got.
 

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thaluikhain said:
Scarim Coral said:
Another example of exective ruining the show is Pinky and the Brain. The show was fine the way it is until they decided the whole Brain wanting to take over the world is a bad thing and they competely revamp the show by bringing in Elmyra from Looney Toon!
Wait...what?

I've never actually done a spit-take, but that's about as close as I've got.
You never seen this?

This happens in the later seasons so that could be why you haven't seen it.
 

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Soviet Heavy said:
Starship Troopers: Roughneck Chronicles. The executives didn't know if they wanted to market the show to kids or to fans of the R-rated movie it was based on. (It shares more with the movie than the book before anyone tries to correct me)

What resulted was a show that was of two minds. One episode would have threats of mind wiping and indoctrination propaganda, and another episode would have guys saying lines like "really deep doo-doo."

It's a great show, but it never finished, ending the series on a cliffhanger before a finale that never saw the light of day.
Great show, but definitely schizophrenic at times.
 

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You never seen this?

This happens in the later seasons so that could be why you haven't seen it.
"I deeply resent this." I think Brain summed up that whole thing rather well. (Perhaps a subtle dig by the cast at the WB execs?)

OT: Samurai Jack and ReBoot. I don't know the details as to why they got canned, but I'm sure it was lame. There was a roumer that ReBoot was getting rebooted, but even if that was true I'm not sure if I'd be happy with that. With Tony Jay gone, Megabyte just wouldn't be the same. Kinda the same deal with Samurai Jack, even if they tried again, with out Mako as Aku it just wouldn't feel right.
 

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Transformers: Animated. THere was going tobe a fourth season. It would have been awesome.


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Since it's only cartoons, Big O.

Adult Swim shut down continued operations (and any hope of season 3) because they don't like Japanese cartoons, even though it paid off financially. If it didn't pay off financially, I'd understand. But hacking something because you don't like it? Fuck you, man.
Wasn't that because of a change in managhement? I think the original top dog that ran adult swik liked or at least tolerated anime but there was some sort of snafu that caused him to step down and be replaced by the anime hating prick we have now.
Man I miss Big O...
 

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Gargoyles, Symbionic titan (Giant robot show cancelled due to lack of toy line?), MLP FiM (Let Lauren do what she wants!), Tron Uprising, pretty much all of the saturday morning tv show blocks, and many, many more.
Lauren created a fantastic universe for mlp but I'm not really sure how essential she was for the show beyond creating the universe, she only wrote three episodes and they weren't really that great of episodes, she wrote the pilot two parter, which I liked and the ticket master which I thought was kinda weak.

Mine is Angel Beats. Originally the show was supposed to be 24 episodes but for some reason it got hacked down to only like 12 so there was so much left unexplored in it.
 

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Swat cats.

The suits at the top thought cartoon network could do without animation with violence so the last eps of the second season was never even aired(killing a really good animation).
 

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Hmmm, well I'd point out that you guys are missing an important point. A lot of the changes to these shows doubtlessly happen because YOU (adults) like the shows. It's an intentional security matter.

Originally there was a lot to be said for children's shows that could also appeal to an adult audience, Anime, especially when it picked up through the 90s got a lot of attention that way (when people pay $30 for a subtitled VHS producers take notice) and inspired the design of a lot of cartoon shows in the US. This lead to a lot of pretty popular properties being developed, and lead to a lot of money being spent as adult fans purchused stuff for their kids (uh huh).

The problem of course here is obvious, when you create situations where random adults and children mix in the same cosm it becomes pedo-bait. Something a predator can use to chat up a child and form that all-important initial connection when the parents/guardians are not around. Sometimes watching a random 40 year old discuss [insert show here] with an 8 year old can be cute, if a bit creepy, but othertimes it's hardly harmless, and people DO keep track of the techniques used by child predators.

Business started to adapt to this, official or otherwise. One thing you'll notice with video arcades at locations that still have them, especially BIG locations is that they are increasingly getting rid of video games that can be justified as appealing to a more adult audience, or having a long-time fan base. People had been trying to ban violent games for years without success, but now your seeing something similar voluntarily, generally when places that have become security conscious, or have otherwise had an "incident" in their past (molestation, or a near miss) not having those games makes it so creepy adults don't have an excuse to hang out in arcades, popping in an occasional corner, and watching the kids, looking for oppertunities.

Back when I worked casino security there was a dance over this with "decent" cross-age machines waffling back and forth based on security concerns and what was making money. It should also be noted that adults wearing mechandise or logos for populat children's television shows warrent special attention, someone to keep an eye on, especially if they gravitate towards places where kids are left unattended (which should never happen, but does anyway). There are exceptions of course, popular super heroes like Marvel and DC characters for example, but basically if you see a 40 year old due wearing a My Little Pony T-shirt trying to chat up little girls in a video arcade, that's not a good thing.

At any rate given all the back and forth about this kind of issue, I suspect the number of children's shows going "old school" and aiming for a child-only audience, removing a lot of the depth, referances, and humor that would attract adult fans is intentional. We're not talking about the kinds of trends you make laws about, but basically nobody wants to have their product lumped in on semi-official security/police watch lists or become known for being used as pedo bait.

I'm not saying this is definatly the reasons, or the only reasons, just that it's an angle you might want to think of because it's come up before when I worked security. One of those things where you know "we can't officially tell you some dude wearing a Spongebob or Invader Zim T-shirt is a creep, but in context if you see someone wearing one around the arcade, that's one of the guys you probably want to keep a paticular eye on... along with everyone else in general of course". The point basically being that anything that can be used to form a bridge to a child, get short term trust, or act as a lure can become a risk, and pedos are VERY good at it. "I'm not a stranger, we both like My Little Pony, and look I've got episodes that play right here on my kindle, let's head over into that stairwell where it's quiet and you can hear and I'll show you a couple of episodes you probably haven't seen yet..."
 

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Transformers Animated, Symbiotic Titan, Super Robot Monkey Team Hyper Force Go, Motorcity, Samurai Jack, Megas XLR, The Spectacular Spider-man... all good shows canceled without a satisfying ending. Note that all of these belonged to Cartoon Network or Disney.
 

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Do hope that Young Justice can pull off a decent ending and not have it rushed.

Hopefully there will be a war with the Reach and the Justice League to end it all in a bang
 

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D Moness said:
Swat cats.

The suits at the top thought cartoon network could do without animation with violence so the last eps of the second season was never even aired(killing a really good animation).
I think my favorite part about that cartoon is that they had a missile for everything. But I did like the character design behind chance:



Don't know why, it feels like Batman meets Top Gun with a cat as the pilot. It works.

OT: MEGAS XLR DIED BECAUSE OF "Cartoon network wanting to move on to better things"

FUCK EXECUTIVES!
 

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CrazyGirl17 said:
Transformers Animated, Symbiotic Titan, Super Robot Monkey Team Hyper Force Go, Motorcity, Samurai Jack, Megas XLR, The Spectacular Spider-man... all good shows canceled without a satisfying ending. Note that all of these belonged to Cartoon Network or Disney.
I can't vouch for the others, but Hasbro put an end to Transformers Animated because the second movie was on the way. They don't want to stretch out the licence or something like that.

Which means Prime's shelf life is good up to Transformers 4. Crap.
 

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MrHide-Patten said:
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I feel like bleach and naruto were extended for way too long.
But i wouldn't be able to tell yu details because I stopped reading them ages ago.
I don't know about Bleach but Naruto (the manga that is) is still going lol. They're at what I can only assume is the "final" climax of the entire story, and they've been at it for the last 30 chapters or something. It's nuts.

Anyway to answer the OP's question, Season 3 of My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic. I don't know whether "meddling" is the right word but the majority of that season was bland and uninteresting bar just a couple of stand-out moments, meanwhile Season 1 and Season 2 were literally BRIMMING with awesome moments and can still have me giggling like a madman when I watch them today.

Legend of Korra is good on it's own, but completely shrivels in comparison to it's predecessor Avatar: The Last Airbender. And unfortunately it IS in a position to be compared to it's predecessor which is why I (for the most part) found it pretty mediocre, and downright TERRIBLE when everything took a fucking dive in the last episode.
Well the original had at least the first 20 eps to ground itself before getting extended out to its 60. Now that Korra has been given a longer life span, I can only expect things to improve with the extra wiggle room.

Korra really lacked a Sokka character, Bolin tried, but be was moreso clumsy than sarcasm. If the original series didnt have Sokka it wouldnt have been anywhere near as good.
But im biase for series with strong female protagonists (especially toned ones, dem shoulders), I will publicly humailiate myself for female protagonists.
Your enthusiasm is interesting. Cause i though korra really excellled due to its concision. I know a lot of fans think it was underdeveloped but i think the opposite. Its the same reson these last episodes of young justice are so intense and good. Im actually worried korra will suffer from extension
 

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V da Mighty Taco said:
MLP:FiM after S1. Don't get me wrong - I still really do enjoy all 3 seasons so far and am among the few who think that S3 was overall better than S2, but something changed in the show a long time ago that started with Lesson Zero (a good episode that set a bad trend for the series). I don't know if executive meddling caused it however, but it hasn't been quite the same in a long time. The show just doesn't feel as lighthearted as it used to.
I think what you are alluding to is the fact that Lauren Faust stepped down from Executive Produce to Consulting after season one.
 

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It's a pity you're just limiting this to cartoons since there's a comic series based on a video game that I feel is suffering despite having a beloved fancomic writer on staff now...all because the guys who own the original video game are pulling all the strings and not letting him use his creativity. *glares at SEGA for not letting Ian do his thing with the Sonic comic*

CAPTCHA: no means no

Alright...I won't go into it then.
 

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thaluikhain said:
Wacky Delli, that copped a lot of flak. Especially melting the polar ice-caps with an orbiting laser to flood the studio, that was a bit excessive.
I really do miss Wacky Delly. That mayonnaise tribute episode was a thing of genius.

OT: Have to go with the old school Transformers. "We've just made all these new toys, but how do we shoehorn them into the show... I know! Let's kill off Optimus Prime and all the other main characters the kids love! I bet everyone will love Rodimus Prime just as much, if not more!"

...Then again, it's still better than anything Michael Bay ever crapped out, plus Leonard Nemoy as Galvatron kicked all kinds of ass, so I guess it all evens out.