CBS Acquires Minority Report-like Show From J.J. Abrams
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I'll definately give it a shot. I thought Minority Report was ok, and Fringe has become one of my guilty pleasures. It could be terrible, but I'll give almost anything Abrams does a look, even though I just couldn't get into LOST.
Huh, I must have been one of the only ones who understood the whole theme, concept and message of Lost.underscore_b said:
J.J usually has good stuff to offer. Was going to see his Star Trek, but he butchered the laws of physics (which Star Trek has been known to adhere to). So, TV yes movies No. Alias and Lost had that whole mystic underlying tone, so its a bet this will too.
Haha, what? No, the thing that ruined Lost was that both Abrams and his writers continuously lied to their audience about their lack of any overarching plot for the show. Can you honestly not remember all this? [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IIQpiInCIs&feature=player_embedded]Vohn_exel said:
Your magic show analogy is terrible because magic shows have an accepted premise; Lost was more like paying to see a magic show and then being shown hundreds of tricks that don't go further than "pick a card". SOTC is a terrible analogy too because noone asked you to invest six years in it.
Do you know why the ending didn't break with the Lost universe? Because there is no Lost universe. There's a reason why people are passionate about Star Wars and Battlestar Galactica and the X Files: it's because the writers had a clear vision and a sense of consistency. Some things happened in those universes, like lightsabers and human hybrids, and some things didn't, like dinosaurs. Lost never had any sense of boundaries or a superobjective and relied on spectacle in place of plot points, which is why you end up with a tropical island full of magic polar bears and horses galloping around in the jungle [http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1936291] and why the characters were constantly walking through fields in too much of a hurry to explain where they were going.
Lost was literally something an eight-year-old could invent in a tent in his backyard with a torch under his face. You tell me whether that's good storytelling.
That's a bit of a cop-out. Abrams insisted from the start that it would all make sense in the end, and the writing staff would be expected to take their lead from him.Logic Sword said:
Lost Spoilers are in this conversation.
I must have been the only person watching Lost that knew there wasn't any great event tieing the show together. I had always figured that most of them would die, but some of them would be rescued and that no one would actually have any real clue what was going on. Instead, everyone demanded answers and a reason for it all and so we end up with Jacob and MIB and the cork theory. Which really would have been a fine ending as it was.
As for the Island being Purgatory theory, it was wrong. The Island WASN'T Purgatory. The Flash sideways timeline (IE Purgatory) was not connected to the Island, and WASN'T the Island. It was created by the people that were on the island and thankfully they didn't explain that in any way shape or form.
As someone that is a Star Wars nerd, since you mentioned it, I can tell you I like Lost for the same reason I liked it. There IS a Lost universe, and it was interesting and intriguing to me. There were mysteries on the Island that were fun to make theories about, and try to figure out. Unfortunately, the answers were boring because no mystery is ever as interesting as your mind makes it out to be. No answer could ever satisfy what your imagination wants. Just like when you find out the Force is not a mystical energy field that anyone can connect to, but just something that you can connect to if your cells have that extra ingredient. The answers ruined the show, especially when they're force fed to us.
The "magic" Polar bears? They're from Hydra Island, the small island that houses most of Dharma's headquarters. The Dharma group that were experimenting on the Island were trying to change something's natural habitat, if I remember correctly. Anyway, they needed something to experiment on, and the Polar Bears were involved in one of their experiments. The horse, thankfully, is never explained. That was part of the fun of the Island. You didn't know just what the Island was then, so perhaps it could produce illusions like that. Of course, once you find out the island is just a cork, it all goes down hill and drains the magic from things.
Can you say that the original Star Trek didn't have the same feeling of inconsistency? Characters were smart when they needed to be, the ship only worked half the time. Spock's mind meld could only work when the plot allowed. Sometimes they'd run into god, sometimes they'd run into something that thought it was god. They had things like lasers, but dinosaurs could also exist in their universe. There was no overarching plot or reason for it all, there was just random encounter after random encounter.
Or Gilligan's Island, for that matter, might as well have taken place on the Lost Island, with all the crazy stuff that went on there. I mean you could argue it was a comedy and therefor not to be taken seriously, but it's still a show with no overarching ideas and just random events happening one after another.
Fans ruined Lost by wanting too much answered. They were the sort of people that want Mythbusters to unturn every little mystery in the world until none are left and we're sitting in a neat and orderly world. They don't want magic in the world, they want an explanation, and when they're given one, they find that it's nothing like they imagined, and are let down. Not everything needs to be explained. Some stones should be left unturned.
My problem with the show? The body count. Or more, the speed with which they gained one. The show was awsome for proving it didn't care about which characters it killed off (well I mean you knew Kate and Hurley weren't gonna die.) But they went overboard with it. By the time Sun and Jin were dead, I was left numb to everyone dying. I was ready for them to just kill off everyone and be done with it. Their death should have been just as or more impactful than Charlie's death, but it wasn't. By that time, just about everyone was dead and you didn't feel it anymore. Although their scene was extremely impactful and I loved it, their actual death in the show was something that I was numb to at that point.
You aren't asked to give Six years. If you like the series, you'll stay with it those six years. If you're saying "I'm staying just to find out what happens" then it's intrigued you enough that you want to stay. So you it's not like you're chained to your television and watching whats going on. I'm interested in Bleach but don't feel like catching up by watching the show, I just go through Wikipedia and voila, I get my story without having to donate as much time as I would have.underscore_b said:
I must have been the only person watching Lost that knew there wasn't any great event tieing the show together. I had always figured that most of them would die, but some of them would be rescued and that no one would actually have any real clue what was going on. Instead, everyone demanded answers and a reason for it all and so we end up with Jacob and MIB and the cork theory. Which really would have been a fine ending as it was.
As for the Island being Purgatory theory, it was wrong. The Island WASN'T Purgatory. The Flash sideways timeline (IE Purgatory) was not connected to the Island, and WASN'T the Island. It was created by the people that were on the island and thankfully they didn't explain that in any way shape or form.
As someone that is a Star Wars nerd, since you mentioned it, I can tell you I like Lost for the same reason I liked it. There IS a Lost universe, and it was interesting and intriguing to me. There were mysteries on the Island that were fun to make theories about, and try to figure out. Unfortunately, the answers were boring because no mystery is ever as interesting as your mind makes it out to be. No answer could ever satisfy what your imagination wants. Just like when you find out the Force is not a mystical energy field that anyone can connect to, but just something that you can connect to if your cells have that extra ingredient. The answers ruined the show, especially when they're force fed to us.
The "magic" Polar bears? They're from Hydra Island, the small island that houses most of Dharma's headquarters. The Dharma group that were experimenting on the Island were trying to change something's natural habitat, if I remember correctly. Anyway, they needed something to experiment on, and the Polar Bears were involved in one of their experiments. The horse, thankfully, is never explained. That was part of the fun of the Island. You didn't know just what the Island was then, so perhaps it could produce illusions like that. Of course, once you find out the island is just a cork, it all goes down hill and drains the magic from things.
Can you say that the original Star Trek didn't have the same feeling of inconsistency? Characters were smart when they needed to be, the ship only worked half the time. Spock's mind meld could only work when the plot allowed. Sometimes they'd run into god, sometimes they'd run into something that thought it was god. They had things like lasers, but dinosaurs could also exist in their universe. There was no overarching plot or reason for it all, there was just random encounter after random encounter.
Or Gilligan's Island, for that matter, might as well have taken place on the Lost Island, with all the crazy stuff that went on there. I mean you could argue it was a comedy and therefor not to be taken seriously, but it's still a show with no overarching ideas and just random events happening one after another.
Fans ruined Lost by wanting too much answered. They were the sort of people that want Mythbusters to unturn every little mystery in the world until none are left and we're sitting in a neat and orderly world. They don't want magic in the world, they want an explanation, and when they're given one, they find that it's nothing like they imagined, and are let down. Not everything needs to be explained. Some stones should be left unturned.
My problem with the show? The body count. Or more, the speed with which they gained one. The show was awsome for proving it didn't care about which characters it killed off (well I mean you knew Kate and Hurley weren't gonna die.) But they went overboard with it. By the time Sun and Jin were dead, I was left numb to everyone dying. I was ready for them to just kill off everyone and be done with it. Their death should have been just as or more impactful than Charlie's death, but it wasn't. By that time, just about everyone was dead and you didn't feel it anymore. Although their scene was extremely impactful and I loved it, their actual death in the show was something that I was numb to at that point.