CCP Reveals How Dust 514 and Eve Online Interact

[Hagi]

Sounds good, but I think the big problem is going to be the fact the EVEs player base tend to be total jerks.

Yup, the only things you hear from the game are "look how much this guy fucked over these people!"

Depends really on how much attention you pay to EvE.

If you're just watching major gaming sites then all you're going to see is a report once every year of someone stealing in-game items with a RL worth of several thousand dollars, if not much more.

But if you delve deeper you'll find there's much more to the game than that. There's been stories about a corp mate in the US suffering a major injury but being unable to pay for treatment, preventing him from working and thus paying and playing the game. The entire corporation subsequently chipped in with their own money to pay for his treatment.

Inter-corp relations in the game are often strained. But once you've found a good corporation and settled in as a trusted member you won't find anything quite like it in any other game. Some of the best online friends I've made I've made through EvE.

The game likes to pretend it's entirely made up out of tough assholes who don't take shit from nobody. But the reality is quite different. Just look at things like EvE university, an entire corporation dedicated purely to teaching new players the ropes and giving them free stuff.

Just check out their website [http://www.eveuniversity.org/] and tell me if there's any guild you know of in any other game that goes that far to helping out new players.

 

[Strazdas]

Sounds good, but I think the big problem is going to be the fact the EVEs player base tend to be total jerks.

and an average console FPS player is different how? Oh right, the console guy also posts his jerkiness on youtube claiming to be number 1 troll.

 

[aegix drakan_v1legacy]

It's free to play? Sweet.

Can't wait to see how this experiment turns out.

 

[Cry Wolf]

Sounds good, but I think the big problem is going to be the fact the EVEs player base tend to be total jerks.

Yup, the only things you hear from the game are "look how much this guy fucked over these people!"

Eh, it may seem like this - but it's not when you take a look at that Eve is. It's PvP - all of it, including PvE - and a large portion of Eve lies in the meta-game. Stealing is more akin to killing someone else in a sanctioned PvP area in other MMOs. If you look at the game and go "oh wow! I love the sandbox where the players run everything, but I wont play because I might get screwed over!" you're missing the point. A part of having people run the show is that it's competitive.

This leads to an odd situation where the player base tends to be more respectful than other games, but the game play competitive nature leads us to fight among each other. This is best exampled in why most people do the things that make head lines; money, fame and power. It's rarely ever for grief or for the "lulz" (even Goonswarm is motivated more by money and fame than shear shits and giggles).

There are other ventures too that you rarely see elsewhere; particularly training corporations built to help new players. I actually ran the so called "boot-camp" portion of a 100+ man pirate alliance for a time (and it should be noted that pirates are typically considered some of the worst people in Eve, and here we are actively seeking to help rookies).

 

[LawlessSquirrel]

This is something that hasn't been done before? Really? I would have expected this to be at least slightly familiar territory.

That's actually the biggest surprise for me...but whatever. If this is something new (somehow!), all the more luck to them. Gotta have someone pioneer the experience I guess, and it is a setup with good potential.

 

[GonzoGamer]

Sounds good, but I think the big problem is going to be the fact the EVEs player base tend to be total jerks.

Yup, the only things you hear from the game are "look how much this guy fucked over these people!"

Yes, it's so much like real business, it's scary.

 

[Therumancer]

Well, I haven't played EVE for a while, but I can't see this ending well. The reason is that people put a lot of time and effort into their little empires in EVE, and a lot of the people doing it have no real talent for, or desire to play, FPS-type games, especially competitive ones. By all accounts the interaction between the sides means that someone playing DUST can say take over someone's planets or bases in EVE, without much they can do to stop them, unless they also play DUST.

I am utterly pants at EVE (I am poor, and badly equipped when I play, despite a years old account that has been activated sporadically, I mostly login once in a while and space mine while using it as a glorified chat client), but honestly I can't see this ending well, I can understand CCP's experiment, but it's two entirely contridictory game styles. Basically the EVE players can't really ignore it, and for all the griefing that already goes on, it seems like an invitation for FPS sadists to grief the EVE community.

 

[StriderShinryu]

The key here, with such a long plan, is to make the shooter interesting. If people lose interest in the multiplayer fast, it will all fail.

This is my thought as well.

All of this talk of integration between two completely different genres and two different platforms is intriguing. I have little personal interst in playing either of the involved games, but I find the idea fascinating. The problem is, if the actual gameplay of the shooter side is poor or even just mediocre, especially given that it's on PS3 and not the system native to the original game, all of the grand ideas will be for nothing.

 

[Furism]

Why they made this PS3 only still escapes me. Another poster pointed out it could be to prevent the mega corporations to keep their edge. I don't think this logic holds. Out of the, what, 3000 players in, say, GoonSwarm, how many do you think have a PS3? If it's only 10%, that's already 300 players. And SomethingAwful has got way more users they could draw recruits from.

Additionally, I'm really not buying a PS3 for this and I doubt other would. I would have played the game (and most likely spent a few bucks into it) if it had been PC. Even if I had had a PS3, I wouldn't have played Dust 514 on it because FPS on consoles are just not the same.

 

[Damien Black]

Sounds good, but I think the big problem is going to be the fact the EVEs player base tend to be total jerks.

Yup, the only things you hear from the game are "look how much this guy fucked over these people!"

This is just... wrong.

The EvE community is probably the most mature and generous player base in any MMO I've played. Yes, people grief, steal, and pirate left and right; that's part of the game. By signing up you are agreeing to a no-holds-barred battle with every other player where trust is hard won and easily lost. Players that can't handle that quickly leave.

I doubt you consider someone who beats you in chess to be a "jerk", nor someone who bluffs in poker... why is playing this game to win any different?

 

[FantomOmega]

It's free to play? Sweet.

Can't wait to see how this experiment turns out.

If this becomes successful (I currently see no reason why it shouldn't) It could set a trend for more PC to console interaction minus "FPS PC vs console FPS" action (that's obvious) but I wouldn't mind it in RTSs and MMOs

 

[knight4light]

Why they made this PS3 only still escapes me. Another poster pointed out it could be to prevent the mega corporations to keep their edge. I don't think this logic holds. Out of the, what, 3000 players in, say, GoonSwarm, how many do you think have a PS3? If it's only 10%, that's already 300 players. And SomethingAwful has got way more users they could draw recruits from.

Additionally, I'm really not buying a PS3 for this and I doubt other would. I would have played the game (and most likely spent a few bucks into it) if it had been PC. Even if I had had a PS3, I wouldn't have played Dust 514 on it because FPS on consoles are just not the same.

the main reason for the ps3 exclusive is because microsoft's policy is too restrictive to what ccp wants. even Sony had a few restrictions but made an exception for dust to let it be able to do what it does.

secondly. no pc port because they want to do pc and consul crossover. they dont want to make a game in competition with eve. and i think its also because sony has another mmofps f2p coming out for pc already.

also.. can you imagine the rage people would have with dust being on consul and pc.. pc will have a clear advantage. which is exactly why consul x pc fps never worked.

they wanted to make a game available to a different audience. and honsetly.. all the fps's that will be coming out on ps3 will now have a very high bar of competiton. i mean.. why pay for a 60 dollar shooter when you can join one for free. Same thing with planetside 2 coming out for pc.

honestly.. i think microsofts restrictions really will put it behind the others. you will probably never be able to get a f2p on the 360.

anyways. thats my 2cents.

 

[Therumancer]

Well, I haven't played EVE for a while, but I can't see this ending well. The reason is that people put a lot of time and effort into their little empires in EVE, and a lot of the people doing it have no real talent for, or desire to play, FPS-type games, especially competitive ones. By all accounts the interaction between the sides means that someone playing DUST can say take over someone's planets or bases in EVE, without much they can do to stop them, unless they also play DUST.

that's why these guys are mercs. If another entity is trying to muscle in on your turf you pay to hot drop in some mercs to kick them back out.

If you dont want to deal with that, recruit your own DIRT soldiers to engage them and kick them out.

And I am sure some of the following notable merc groups will be expanding their operations to Dust:

Pandemic Legion
Noir
Narwhals ate my Duck

I am looking forward to this new aspect of warfare in EVE.

Well, see the thing is that the guy playing EVE might not want to have to deal with anyone else for this kind of thing, a lot of people like to remain more or less independant. To someone who wants to pretty much do their own thing, or with a very specific group of people, and who have no real interest in FPSes, being told they now have to pay other players to play DUST for them or pay money into the system (and face it, AI defenders will never be as good as people).

I think it's kind of a no win scenario for CCP to be honest, given the option I'm pretty sure most of the existing EVE player would choose to opt out if they could (and they won't be able to, because that would defeat the purpose).