Charlie Kirk Assassinated

[Agema]

Hopefully by this point you have considered the reframing quietly, and aren't just trying to avoid thinking about it because it doesn't help you.

No, I think that's just you grossly overrating your own ideas again, and I'm happy with the answers I gave.

Of course you would think that, you're a conservative. The idea that your beliefs are some sort of timeless truth is attractive to your mindset. It's a fundamental challenge that some of the stuff you believe might be empty tradition that serves no purpose, or outdated bobbins that mostly just holds you, your people and your country back. Or as Hayek put it: "Conservatism is only as good as what its conserving".

 

[Agema]

And before you repeat yourself about you knowing how it would turn out 5 seconds after hearing it: You got it right. Well done.

Not necessarily well done. A stopped clock doesn't merit congratulations because it gets the time right twice a day, and no-one warrants special commendation for knowing that the grass is green and the sky is blue.

 

[tstorm823]

It's a fundamental challenge that some of the stuff you believe might be empty tradition that serves no purpose, or outdated bobbins that mostly just holds you, your people and your country back.

Of course, that's the idea of progress. You slowly improve or replace the parts that can be improved or replaced. Which doesn't work if you don't respect that parts that are carrying all the weight. For every outdated idea holding us back, there are 99 equally old ideas that are holding us up, which makes your attitude towards old, ordinary ideas 99% misplaced.

 

[Bedinsis]

Not necessarily well done. A stopped clock doesn't merit congratulations because it gets the time right twice a day, and no-one warrants special commendation for knowing that the grass is green and the sky is blue.

My commendation was for predicting the reasoning for Trump being allowed on the ballots anew, not that he would be let on again. Based on what I've read the former was not obvious.

 

[Seanchaidh]

The fact that Biden had to backdoor that through OSHA was super obvious red flags. And why would the federal government be able to force private companies to force their employees to get a medical intervention?

Backdooring a public health measure through an occupational health measure?

Anyway, because of the power given by the Commerce Clause. The Commerce Clause has and had been widely criticized as being interpreted in an overbroad manner by the Federal Government and the courts for some decades (because the language really does seem to let the government do just about anything and that just can't be right, can it?) but it has been upheld for various tenuous purposes also for many decades. So it is not unreasonable to think that it would be again if the Supreme Court lets precedent guide them.

 

[Agema]

For every outdated idea holding us back, there are 99 equally old ideas that are holding us up, which makes your attitude towards old, ordinary ideas 99% misplaced.

I never said I dislike ideas because they are old and ordinary, I just decline to privilege them for being old and ordinary. Or as Hayek put it: "Conservatism is only as good as what it's conserving".

 

[BrawlMan]

This what happens when you choose fascism for the sake of "comfort and security".

https://www.npr.org/2025/10/11/nx-s1-5550366/charlie-kirk-social-media-firings

Here's a least an asshole getting their actual consequences.

Man will plead guilty to threatening Pride event after Charlie Kirk’s death

Joshua Wayne Cole to admit in court to making online posts about shooting people at an LGBTQ+ parade in Texas

www.theguardian.com

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Backdooring a public health measure through an occupational health measure?

Anyway, because of the power given by the Commerce Clause. The Commerce Clause has and had been widely criticized as being interpreted in an overbroad manner by the Federal Government and the courts for some decades (because the language really does seem to let the government do just about anything and that just can't be right, can it?) but it has been upheld for various tenuous purposes also for many decades. So it is not unreasonable to think that it would be again if the Supreme Court lets precedent guide them.

OSHA doesn't have authority to set public health measures. Does OSHA ensure every employee is vaccinated against measles? Nope.

 

[BrawlMan]

That's what you get for giving all your money to a neo Nazi.

Glendale taxpayers owed $493K for Charlie Kirk memorial costs

Glendale is recouping the $493,000 it incurred during last month’s large memorial service for slain conservative activist Charlie Kirk.

www.azcentral.com

You have nothing to apologize for. Don't know why you're trying to please biatch ass daddy Trump.

Cardinal Dolan owes an apology for his Charlie Kirk remarks

When cruelty is crowned as courage and violence is blessed as virtue, the Gospel itself is profaned.

chicago.suntimes.com

National day of remembrance? This is bad comedy. This is not a real holiday and I won't cry for a shithead like him. Especially one who wanted to live in this type of world, but thought he would never get shot, nor face the consequences of his selfish actions.

Charlie Kirk's National Day of Remembrance is Oct. 14. Here's what to know.

Lawmakers last month passed a resolution allowing Charlie Kirk to be honored on what would've been his 32nd birthday on Oct. 14.

www.usatoday.com

 

[BrawlMan]

A US neo-Nazi fight club is using Charlie Kirk’s killing to recruit new members

‘Active clubs’ are capitalizing on assassination of far-right commentator to entice recruits with promises of vengeance

www.theguardian.com

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[The Rogue Wolf]

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Nobody in Trump's sphere actually cares about Kirk. Do you remember his reaction to Jimmy Kimmel's show being reinstated? Not a single word about Kirk- just ranting about ratings.

Kirk's death is just a useful avenue for Republicans to take away the rights of the people they hate.

 

[Seanchaidh]

OSHA doesn't have authority to set public health measures. Does OSHA ensure every employee is vaccinated against measles? Nope.

Not doing something is not the same as not having the authority to do it. Was measles a problem in the workplace? Was/is COVID?

 

[thebobmaster]

Tell me, people, how does this fit into the whole "freedom of speech" thing?

US revokes visas for 6 foreigners over Charlie Kirk-related speech

The Trump administration has revoked the visas of six foreigners deemed by U.S. officials to have made derisive comments or made light of the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk last month.

apnews.com

 

[bluegate]

Tell me, people, how does this fit into the whole "freedom of speech" thing?

US revokes visas for 6 foreigners over Charlie Kirk-related speech

The Trump administration has revoked the visas of six foreigners deemed by U.S. officials to have made derisive comments or made light of the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk last month.

apnews.com

"Well, they're foreigners.... Errr, wait that sounds too human and relatable...

They're foreign aliens, yes, this sounds less human, more distant, less relatable.

Starting over...

Well, they're foreign aliens, our rights don't have to apply to them. Our rights are only for Amuricans!"

Is probably the justification that you'll get.

 

[tstorm823]

Tell me, people, how does this fit into the whole "freedom of speech" thing?

US revokes visas for 6 foreigners over Charlie Kirk-related speech

The Trump administration has revoked the visas of six foreigners deemed by U.S. officials to have made derisive comments or made light of the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk last month.

apnews.com

Freedom of speech is not absolute, it has limits and exceptions, particularly around explicit calls for violence. I do not know exactly what those 6 people said, (Edit: Silvanus got it) they aren't identified, but I know many people's response to Kirk was listing off who else they think should be murdered. If their speech was effectively death threats, that's not protected by the first amendment.

If this were elsewhere, if this were loudmouth Americans in like Italy shouting which Italian politicians they think deserve death, I hope they'd be kicked out of there too.

 

[Silvanus]

Freedom of speech is not absolute, it has limits and exceptions, particularly around explicit calls for violence. I do not know exactly what those 6 people said, they aren't identified, but I know many people's response to Kirk was listing off who else they think should be murdered. If their speech was effectively death threats, that's not protected by the first amendment.

The State Department posted the offending posts on Twitter. They are;

1. Just came on here to say Charlie Kirk can rest in fucking piss and yet again if you have any empathy at all for people like this you can go ahead and remove yourself as my friend. I do not give a fuck about the death of a person who devoted his entire life to spreading racist, xenophobic, misogynist rhetoric. Its hot as fuck where this man currently is and its deserved <3

2. Neanderthals can't have their cake and eat it. This weekend they went openly anti-black racist and now they're hurt that the racist rally ended in attempted martyrdom? Charlie Kirk won't be remembered as a hero. He was used to astroturf a movement of white nationalist trailer trash!

3. Charlie Kirk was a son of a b**** and he died by his own rules.

4. He died being a racist, he died being a misogynist [...] there are people who deserve to die. There are people who would make the world better off dead.

5. Charlie Kirk was the reason for a Nazi rally where they marched in homage to him [...] DIED TOO LATE.

6. When fascists die, democrats don’t complain.

 

[tstorm823]

6. When fascists die, democrats don’t complain.

This last one is kind of interesting. There's a lot of ways to read things with different emphasis, but the most obvious reading of this to me is taken as a statement of what "democrats" should do in that scenario. From an outside perspective, one would expect a statement of what a political party does or doesn't do to be a criticism, but calling Kirk a fascist certainly implies democrats shouldn't complain. If I saw this without the context of it being a foreigner, I would probably read it in the sense of "I am a Democrat, therefore I am glad when fascists die". Feels like a greater than not chance that the intent was to actively pull democrats towards celebrations of violence, which is a bit insidious coming from someone who can't be a member of a US political party, and honestly raises the question of whether that person is actually for the death of Kirk or if they just want to sow discord.

 

[Silvanus]

This last one is kind of interesting. There's a lot of ways to read things with different emphasis, but the most obvious reading of this to me is taken as a statement of what "democrats" should do in that scenario. From an outside perspective, one would expect a statement of what a political party does or doesn't do to be a criticism, but calling Kirk a fascist certainly implies democrats shouldn't complain. If I saw this without the context of it being a foreigner, I would probably read it in the sense of "I am a Democrat, therefore I am glad when fascists die". Feels like a greater than not chance that the intent was to actively pull democrats towards celebrations of violence, which is a bit insidious coming from someone who can't be a member of a US political party, and honestly raises the question of whether that person is actually for the death of Kirk or if they just want to sow discord.

I wouldn't assume "democrats" refers to the Democratic Party, any more than it refers to people who believe in democracy. In Europe the term often applies broadly to those who advocate democracy in opposition to authoritarianism.

I also wouldn't assume there's any "should" there. It reads to me like saying, "people who believe in democracy don't care much when fascists die".

Compare it with the phrase commonly bandied about by right-wing commentators after George Floyd was killed: "well, he was no saint..." This, too, is essentially saying the speaker just doesn't care much. But racist gobshites like Kirk are the kind of people the administration wants to lionise, so using those sentiments against him is grounds for censorship.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Not doing something is not the same as not having the authority to do it. Was measles a problem in the workplace? Was/is COVID?

Supreme Court literally ruled as such...

 

[BrawlMan]

Facism at work again. This is definitely a violation of rights and freedom of speech. The government is going to get so many lawsuits.

Outcry after US strips visas from six foreigners over Charlie Kirk remarks

Cancellations represent escalating government-wide campaign to suppress criticism of rightwing influencer

www.theguardian.com

US revokes visas over comments made about Charlie Kirk's death

The State Department shared screenshots of posts it said were examples of foreign visa holders welcoming Kirk's death.

www.bbc.com

MSNBC did nothing wrong. The rest of you are cowards for airing.Such an award to such an horrible person who was always a pawn of neo nazis and gustappo Trump.

‘Disgusting’: MSNBC Receives Backlash For Being the Only Major News Network Not to Air Charlie Kirk Medal of Freedom Ceremony

MSNBC received backlash on Tuesday for being the only major news network not to air the posthumous Medal of Freedom ceremony for Charlie Kirk.

www.yahoo.com