Charlie Kirk Assassinated

[bluegate]

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You're comparing the platform that Kirk had with a dead internet forum with 20-odd active members? Gee willikers.

 

[Casual Shinji]

'Gang violence (black gang violence) is the REAL problem, not school shootings' said the white man right before getting shot and killed by another white man on school property.

It'd funny if it wasn't-... Nah, it's funny.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Kirk would've been glad his killer wasn't a DEI hire.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

It seems to me that a lot of the cheer around the death of Kirk stems from the fact that there never seem to be any real consequence for the right, be it politicians, grifters, or others.

Is a man taking a bullet to the throat and dying a reasonable consequence for being a bastard with shit views and a desire to see others harmed? Probably not, a slap in the face or a solid deplatforming would probably do it for me, but is is A consequence, something we haven't seen the right suffer in years and years.


Trump lies without shame or consequence, his spokesperson goes on stage and lies to reporters with no consequences, Mike Johnson makes up stuff to protect a suspected pedophile is caught in the lie and faces no consequences, DoD blows up a group of foreign nationals in international waters, something completely unheard of, and there are no consequences.

Can it really be any surprise that when someone catches a proverbial stray, and a literal killshot, that people feel somewhat vindicated? I don't think so.

OMFG, you guys so into your own echo chambers, did ya'll break all the mirrors and can't look at yourselves anymore. What's the consequence for falsely accusing a sitting president of colluding with an enemy nation to steal the election and running him through investigations and courts with no fucking evidence? What's the consequence of removing your political rival from ballots? Democrats lie without shame or consequence, democrats claimed the last election was to save democracy while trying to deny that very democracy (removing political rivals from ballots) and positioning themselves for 2028 (that they claim won't be an election).

 

[Phoenixmgs]

You're comparing the platform that Kirk had with a dead internet forum with 20-odd active members? Gee willikers.

You guys think you're not the baddies when liking a post that is for the murder of 2 other people...

 

[dreng3]

OMFG, you guys so into your own echo chambers, did ya'll break all the mirrors and can't look at yourselves anymore. What's the consequence for falsely accusing a sitting president of colluding with an enemy nation to steal the election and running him through investigations and courts with no fucking evidence? What's the consequence of removing your political rival from ballots? Democrats lie without shame or consequence, democrats claimed the last election was to save democracy while trying to deny that very democracy (removing political rivals from ballots) and positioning themselves for 2028 (that they claim won't be an election).

Did Trump not encourage Russia to meddle in the elections and was there not evidence found that Russia did meddle in the election?

Did Trump not instigate a mob to storm the capitol on Jan 6th thereby rendering him an insurrectionist inelligible for the ballot in the states wherein he was attempted removed?

All of those things happened and yet there were no consequences. You can try to be coy and deny all you want, but even Mueller found that there was wrongdoing, but also noted that he wasn't allowed to call it as such. Investigations squashed, complaints overheard, truths ignored, and no culpability from the right, seemingly ever.

Next up you're going to be telling us how Trump was in no way involved with Epstein and that Mike Johnson is 100% telling the truth when he's claiming that Trump was an informant, right?

 

[bluegate]

 

[thebobmaster]

I would have also pointed out that the Reichstag Fire is at least widely accepted to have been a false flag operation on the part of the Nazis.

 

[Agema]

It seems to me that a lot of the cheer around the death of Kirk stems from the fact that there never seem to be any real consequence for the right, be it politicians, grifters, or others.

1500 pardons for the Jan 6th rioters.

That's where the US right is in terms of consequences.

 

[dreng3]

1500 pardons for the Jan 6th rioters.

That's where the US right is in terms of consequences.

And when the sense of justice is overly offended extremism flourishes. Vigilanteeism in the face of a, rightly, perceived feckless justice system is to be expected, if not endorsed.

 

[tstorm823]

I would have also pointed out that the Reichstag Fire is at least widely accepted to have been a false flag operation on the part of the Nazis.

Well yeah, the people who decide what is widely accepted are all Seanchadh.

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I have never heard of this person. He might be a Nazi. Takei is mistaken spreading that person further and disingenuous for applying what one edgelord says to a vague broader populace.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Did Trump not encourage Russia to meddle in the elections and was there not evidence found that Russia did meddle in the election?

Did Trump not instigate a mob to storm the capitol on Jan 6th thereby rendering him an insurrectionist inelligible for the ballot in the states wherein he was attempted removed?

All of those things happened and yet there were no consequences. You can try to be coy and deny all you want, but even Mueller found that there was wrongdoing, but also noted that he wasn't allowed to call it as such. Investigations squashed, complaints overheard, truths ignored, and no culpability from the right, seemingly ever.

Next up you're going to be telling us how Trump was in no way involved with Epstein and that Mike Johnson is 100% telling the truth when he's claiming that Trump was an informant, right?

RussiaGate is as much a lie as WMDs in Iraq... Where's the consequences?

That's not how that works. If you think he's an insurrectionist, you have to charge and try him as one. You just don't claim someone is a murderer without a charge and a trial. Do you not realize the massive corruption that would exist if that were how things worked? I can claim so many people are insurrectionists pretty easy. That's literally how the Nazis came to power... Where's the consequences?

There was no reason the FBI should've even investigated, there was literally no evidence.

You do realize the democrats won't release the Epstein files either, right? Both sides have claimed they want to release said files when they are not able to. When they are able to, they will not release them because important enough people are in them and will influence either side to not release the files. It's that simple. It's like any other campaign promise made while campaigning that immediately can't be done when they actually get elected in.

 

[Chimpzy]

Oof, that Valhalla line. So cringe. Did Patel watch Fury Road lately or something?

 

[Agema]

And when the sense of justice is overly offended extremism flourishes. Vigilanteeism in the face of a, rightly, perceived feckless justice system is to be expected, if not endorsed.

Vigilanteism is endorsed.

Proud Boys, "stand back and stand by": your commander will be calling on you. Someone heckling at your right-wing rally? Punch them: Trump will pay your legal fees. Deal with transsexuals like men of the 1950s and 1960s would, said Charlie Kirk, because the heart and soul of community cohesion is beating up anyone who diverges from community norms.

I have never heard of this person. He might be a Nazi. Takei is mistaken spreading that person further and disingenuous for applying what one edgelord says to a vague broader populace.

Sure, when the left advocates violence, it's the fault of the left. When the right advocates violence, it's the fault of leftists for pointing it out.

 

[meiam]

Oof, that Valhalla line. So cringe. Did Patel watch Fury Road lately or something?

"What do those moron believe in, some sort of afterlife dumb thing, like Valhalla or w/e?"

So both the guy who tried to kill Trump and the guy who killed Kirk are essentially the same, white male kid who grew up in conservative leaning environment and spent too much time on the internet, probably exactly the kind of kid who get lured by the right wing influencer. Oh and the guy who assassinated democrats a month back was also conservative obviously.

 

[Mister Mumbler]

"So you see, it's actually all you leftists who are evil and Nazis, QED.

Completely unrelated, but did you know that the Nazis didn't do the Reichstag fire? It's true! This and other lies about the Nazis are thanks to the global Jewish/Communist agenda, now ask me about logistics."

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[Dirty Hipsters]

"What do those moron believe in, some sort of afterlife dumb thing, like Valhalla or w/e?"

A hindu telling a christian they'll meet in Valhalla is fucking hilarious.

 

[Ezekiel]

Some are speculating that people in the pro-israel crowd (like Mossad) had a motive to kill Charlie Kirk. Given a few of his recent statements in conversation with Megyn Kelly, it is surprisingly not so implausible:

he complained of being called antisemitic or "doing the bidding of Hamas" and otherwise being treated in a "repulsive" way by some israel supporters,
he has publicly entertained the idea that Epstein was a Mossad agent,
he is sounding the alarm over israel losing support in the United States due to the length of the "war" in Gaza,
he hosted (platformed!) Dave Smith (who is anti-israel), and
this is a direct quote: "And the more you try to tell me I can't criticize Israel, the more likely I am to do it."

This does fit the pattern of noises someone like a Dave Rubin made before his "why I left the left" moment, except in regards to israel rather than "the left". But that doesn't actually mean much; we can find patterns where they don't exist and extrapolating from this one is very thin reasoning.

The evidence in favor of it being an organization like Mossad behind the killing is so far limited to this speculation over motive, the apparent professionalism of the killing, and the speed with which Netanyahu announced his condolences, all of which are hardly compelling no matter if taken together or separately.

But still, it is worth exploring the idea if only to counterbalance the unfounded claims of those who are sure it is the work of trans Marxist DNC antifa and because it is the funniest reason it could have happened: someone who currently has a very pro-israel audience taking a turn like Candace Owens or Tucker Carlson could be much more damaging to the israeli cause than the work of any one of the hundreds of Palestinian journalists the israeli regime has killed in Gaza-- a disgusting reality, but it may be reality nonetheless. Those seem to be the power relations: israel depends on the government of the United States, the government of the United States is notionally responsive to public opinion in the United States sometimes, at least in theory, and MAGA seems to be guided by its well-paid influencers. Anyway, if killing were the method of dealing with that potentiality, it would have to be done very early in the process of that turn, ideally so that he can be portrayed as a martyr to the israeli cause (or "conservatism" in general) rather than a victim of its fanaticism. Otherwise it would be largely counterproductive. And of course the motivations of the perpetrator would have to be kept an absolute secret in such a case; there is no way it would be helpful to the israeli cause if they weren't. So it would be a very rash action even from the most amoral, self-interested point of view, but on the other hand israel seems to be doing a lot of those lately.

Others have speculated that Trump is behind the killing because Kirk called for the release of the Epstein files. I don't find this compelling either, but it is also consistent with what we know so far. The problem is, of course, that there are few ideas that are not consistent with what we know so far because what we know is very little and so we can hardly rule anything out: as regards this question, we are fumbling in the dark. People are rightly skeptical of US legal institutions, so it is likely that we won't really know much of anything in the near future either. May we all enjoy our years of lead paint.

It does seem like a professional job.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Charlie is spot-on. Really the only take any human being should have.

 

[tstorm823]

This isn't saying violence is bad. It's laying down justification for violence, and why the omission of left-wing victims of violence is so terribly deliberate.

This is nonsensical conspiratorial thinking. But even if we entertain the idea that blaming violence on your opponents is trying to justify more violence, we have that here too anyway. Just as silly as people claiming the killer in that case was a Marxist, we now have the entire internet propaganda machine spreading the idea that the killer is actually "MAGA" (edit: or an actual hit job by Trump or Republicans or Israel). And then also celebrating the death. It's still, at minimum, strictly worse.