Charlie Kirk Assassinated
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On any sensible political spectrum, Democrats are center-right and Republicans are reactionary encroaching on fascist.
On the American political spectrum, anything left of Machiavelli is Marx.
There are two separate things that happened: He (and Democrats in the legislature) did do all of what you said. They funneled money largely to places that financially supported the Democratic Party. Not particularly left-wing, outside of the secondary connection that it circularly benefits the prominent left-wing party.
At the same time, they also entertained increasingly extreme rhetoric within the Democratic Party to maintain their voters, who without at minimum lipservice to their pet causes would likely have considered actually abandoning the party doing all of the things you mentioned.
So like, the ideas espoused by Democrats got far more extreme because they needed political balance for the shameless corruption they were also doing. And then, with the passage of time, the people who actually believe the extremism have gained prominence (leading to a less corrupt party, for what its worth), and unsurprisingly are losing institutional power rapidly because most people don't actually care for their causes and without the shameless corruption, they don't have the backing to power things through.
This is a dumb thing that people say a lot, that isn't remotely true. The US has more generous welfare, more liberal social laws, and more influential progressive thinkers than the majority of the West, much less the rest of the world.
Your imaginary utopia has Democrats center-right, but that's not reality anywhere.
Ok the Helldivers 2 meme was everywhere for a while it's the 500KG eagle bomb so nope not Groper specific.
Bella Ciao has been used by a number of anti fascist groups.
I heard people saying he dressed as Trump for Halloween.
My current position is the Groper claim is like when people claimed the OK hand sign was actually a white power gesture. At best unsubstantiated theory crafting and ass pulls and at worse malicious manipulation designed to target people with a propensity to believe things without question from people on their own side.
Remember people should be held to the standard they hold others to.
Unless we do it.
There's literally more evidence the Clinton campaign was behind it than Trump colluded with Russia. Fool.
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The only thing I was interested in was the Georgia stuff and the democrats completely FUBARed that themselves. Fool.
He initiated a vote that he didn't have the votes for. Fool. Why do you think republicans haven't pushed anything through when they control the House and Senate? Because they don't actually wanna do any of it. Same things happen with dems control everything and have the votes.
I wasn't distraught, I just find it totally unacceptable that anyone would cheer someone's death or call for the murder of more people, and then people would actually like the post. It doesn't matter if it was the left's equivalent of Charlie Kirk, I would've had the same reaction. You guys shown your true colors.
Each aspect individually points to "nothing". All of them together point to groyper. You know, like how animals other than ducks like water, have wings and webbed feet, or even quack or have a corkscrew dick, but if you have an animal with all those features together, it's a duck?
Especially with what's coming out now as Robinson being a fan of Nick Fuentes, and disliking Kirk. Because groypers are Fuentes' group, and groypers have an established track record for disrupting Kirk appearances. It just happened to be the case, one of them did it with a bullet. Right at the exact same time Fuentes and Loomer (who used to be associated with the group directly, but publicly distanced herself for optics' sake after the group became better-known) were harshly critical towards Kirk for his daring to question unconditional support for Israel.
Funny coincidence, that, if Robinson wasn't a groyper.
He dressed as slav Pepe.
It's two different stories:
1) Slav squat costume, nothing at all to suggest it was meant to be Pepe.
2) Trump costume, but the kind that is meant to look like your legs are a person that you are riding on top of.
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It's exactly as credible as any of the current stories about the killer being a leftist or having a trans lover.
Political Violence Is Abhorrent. Charlie Kirk Didn’t Think So.
The murder of Charlie Kirk was a moral travesty. We can recognize that without ignoring that he repeatedly fanned the flames of political violence himself.
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Remember the words often attributed to Stalin: the death of one man is a tragedy, and the death of a million is a statistic.
The principle is no clearer than in the rhetoric of the political right - Charlie Kirk included. Make the relevant nods to decency and respect when specific, individual people are murdered as Charlie Kirk was, whilst in truth relentlessly approving and endorsing violence against non-specific leftists.
Whereas you guys were all moderation, peace and harmony, eh?
I'm not actually totally averse to the view that the left has moved, but I think something very different has gone on. Firstly, I think new generations appear, and new generations have fresh ideas, and these leave behind those older. They fought for what was trendy when they were young, and when the new youth bring the next idea, plenty of them are not on board. They got their progress, and they're not interested in the next.
Secondly, I think this is the internet, and its echo chambers, and its tech platforms with outrage-driving alogrithms. I think the whole of society has been polarised and embittered, and the centre is collapsing from both ends.
The right then has a nifty line in concealing its bloodlust and animosity in wholesome-sounding ideas of defence from extremists - which you of course parrot like all the others. And if one day your elites do send in the stormtroopers until the rivers run red with the Democrats' blood, you'll be cheering on every bullet fired, because you have already written your defence of them doing so. This forum is proof enough that you excuse the Republicans everything, you're not going to stop doing so if they turn to mass murder.
I mean, we had GOP congresspeople laughing when Dem senators who were assassinated a few months ago. And millions of conservatives who then asked for more. Laughing at assassinations is now the new standard. Congrats on moving the Overton window
If you actually cared about this, you would have done something then. It is way too late now and just reeks of identity politics
"One of yours murdered a man in cold blood"
Uh-huh.
Oh, hey, remember Gabby Giffords? Remember this little gem from Sarah Palin?
You want some help getting that beam out of your eye before you go after the mote in anyone else's? Conservatives have been the "Second Amendment solutions" / "vote from the rooftops" party for decades. Don't sit here and play as if you're not on the side that's been casually promoting political violence and then shrugging and saying "well, it's really your fault" when some nutter (who, 85% of the time, is on your side) acts.
Yes. Honestly, this is probably all going to blow over in a few weeks. A year later things will be mostly the same and occasionally the odd one of us will think "Oh yeah, some guy shot that other guy a year back, didn't they?"
It's just everyone gets caught up in the emotion, and they want to be a part of the hubbub, and it's so terribly exciting! Get upset! Get outraged! Hurl accusations! And so in pile a load of people who haven't been seen in the forum for months-years because this is the biggest goddamn drama party of the season, and they need to be in there too. Then the trolls are aroused by the smell of controversy, so they wade in as well, which helps keep the shitball rolling.
But alas, it will run out of steam, and there'll just be some dead guy and a few weeks of overcharged comment for everyone to feel a bit foolish about later.
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I mean, if Sandy Hook changed nothing, I dont think anything will
That being said, Trump has been sending tripwire troops into cities for a while now so he can justify a civil war. And now is targeting Memphis because he thinks they are more gun-toting and less calm about things. I think he's wrong but at some stage, something will go wrong.... Kirk can be used as a replacement justification if this fails
It isn't, it is certainly less credible, but I will accept the premise that the two options are in the same ballpark.
With that in mind, why do you knowingly choose to spread misinformation at the same level as those you most resent?
I believe it was literally yesterday that I told you some Republicans had less than ideal responses to the shooting for which condemnation is justified. Your fantasy version of me is rather silly.
Is he though? Or is the pathetic old fart just playing as close to dictator as he can get away with without someone deciding enough's enough? TACO, remember.
Since Trump started rampaging ICE all over the country, public support for hardline anti-immigration policies have been dropping, because it turns out it makes lots of people feel uncomfortable, even Republicans. Let's imagine Trump sends in the national guard to a city, and it even just accidentally kicks off a massacre. I think those troops would be out in a matter of hours and he'd never put troops anywhere near another US city.
I am sure that Trump would bloviate like crazy, and blame others, and self-justify, and tell everyone how tough he is. But I think enough people would be appalled, and the chickenshits in Congress would finally draw some sort of line and tell Trump just how deep in the shit he is. Then the Congressional Republicans would cover for him like crazy until he left office of course, but the line would stand.