Cheaters and Warnings

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Blatherscythe

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I've recently seen the article about 15000 people getting the ban hammer from Bungie and noticed a trend between their whines and the whines of other cheaters. "We didn't even recieve a warning" and many other variations of it. This makes me wonder, why does this company even need to tell you to stop? Exploiting glitches, using third party software and 9 times out of 10 your aware what you doing is cheating, why do you think they should even warn you about an impending ban? Your wrecking their online community and making it harder for others, why do you think you deserve a warning?

So should Companies give a warning before resorting to the banhammer for charges such as exploiting glitches and third party software in multiplayer matches?
 

StriderShinryu

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I think warnings are appropriate if something is sort of straddling the line between an exploit and some sort of emergent gameplay, but when it's obvious that you're exploiting something for obvious gain then no, no warnings are needed.
 

aprildog18

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For severe stuff: I think first offense (no warning) would be to be banned for a week and be demoted to noob status.
The second offense would result in the destruction of the hacker's gaming console.
That should solve most cheating problems.
 

Lullabye

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Really? I give people warnings myself all the time.
"Keep hacking and I'll report you"
half an hour later they're still doing it? Then reported. Fair warning.
 

Kermi

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Bungie warns you against network manipulation via in-game messages. People unplugged their network cable to reset their daily challenges and therefore earn more credits than would normally be possible. They were warned.
Most of the whiners claim they stopped when they found out they might get banned. Oh no! I didn't know you'd ban me for that bannable offence!
 

DementedSheep

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Serious stuff should be an instant ban IMO but with other less serious offences then it?s probably best to give people a warning (only one mind you) if only to cover your own ass and stop people bitching about not getting a warning. I don?t sympathise with the people who got banned tho, really wtf did they expect.
 

ultrachicken

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The only thing that happened to them was a loss of credits. Who gives a fuck?
DementedSheep said:
Serious stuff should be an instant ban IMO but with other less serious offences then it?s probably best to give people a warning (only one mind you) if only to cover your own ass and stop people bitching about not getting a warning. I don?t sympathise with the people who got banned tho, really wtf did they expect.
People would just ***** about how unfair the rule is. It doesn't matter what Bungie does, the people they punish are going to *****.
 

Alfador_VII

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If people are hacking or exploiting they deserve all they get and more. OK, so if a company wants to warn them, or even impose a temporary suspension, that's good and might stop some people.

But, the bottom line is if you're hacking the game, you shouldn't be able to keep playing it.
 

kebab4you

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No way, why should they get a chance to stop? Just throw them away instantly.
 

maddawg IAJI

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I think the size of the crime would determine whether or not you receive a warning. If you're doing something as big as network manipulation and you're aware of it, then you won't get a warning.
 

Amnestic

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I believe it depends on the exploit and intent. Let me make an example.

In World of Warcraft, there might be a boss in the latest raid dungeon. Raid Group A notices that the boss is weak to a certain tactic (eg. kiting) and uses this to help mitigate some of the damage recieved. As this is a new boss which no one has fought before, it is easily argued that kiting this boss could be considered a legitimate tactic. It is, however, an oversight in Blizzard's code and thus could also be deemed an exploit. As Raid Group A is the first to ever fight this boss outside of Blizzard's closed testing facilities, how are they to know?

In that respect, they might be exploiting the boss - the nature of it (that being that it is unknown) and the intent (honestly believing that this could be 'the' tactic to beat the boss) however I would find myself hard pressed to say that they are in the wrong and should be punished for it.

Example 2:
Raid Group B is facing up against a gauntlet-type encounter where they need to rush to the end and hit a trigger to continue/finish the encounter. A member of Raid Group B notices that if they jump up on the terrain in a certain way, they can bypass the gauntlet entirely without recieving a single bit of damage. Raid Group B notices this, and uses it to get past the gauntlet encounter and recieve their phat lewtz.

Exploiting the terrain in such a way, even if it was previously undiscovered, is unquestionably a bug and an unintended use of an oversight by the programmers, and thus could be deemed an exploit which - even though previously unknown - still warranted punishment as the other nature (jumping over terrain to skip an encounter) is clearly an Exploit.

It's not as clear cut as "Exploit=Ban". One needs to look at the deeper mechanics, intent and knowledge behind the exploit before dishing out punishment or you will catch a lot of innocents in your wide net.
 

Hijax

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I dont think warning are needed. Seriously, how hard can it be?

Kermi said:
Most of the whiners claim they stopped when they found out they might get banned. Oh no! I didn't know you'd ban me for that bannable offence!
LOL!
Thats just fucking great.
 

sylekage

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They should have known better. Exploiting anything should be bannable, a slight warning could work, but most of them would say "well, I didn't know, I'll wait a few days then do it again." Now they know better. It's only in game credits anyway. No applications to real life, x-box marketplace or anything. It doesn't matter that much.
 

rapidoud

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All the people calling for a ban first time are morons. Honestly, no wonder America has 200 times the amount of life-term prisoners than the entire world combined.

In other news, bungie deleted my god damned campaign saves (when I have not glitched of any kind) right in front of my face. WTF?

Oh so tempted to trade reach back in or at least pirate the next game they release. Campaign was an absolute shocker and beyond pathetic.

Oh, and OT: You guys better stop lagging too, i'm getting sick of being blamed for lag when I use 20Mb/s internet and all they use is 2Mb/s but they HAPPEN to get host for living next door to the servers.
 

MurderousToaster

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They shouldn't get a warning, hell no. In my opinion the Halo cheaters should just be happy they're not getting banned from playing.

If a cheater cheats, they knew the risk they were taking and they knew that cheating was illegitimate. Yet they do it, adversely affecting other players in the process. This is completely their fault and I see no reason as to why they should get a warning for it.

If you consciously do something that violates the game's rules, you deserve to be punished and giving you a warning would just be weakness on the punisher's part.
 

DazZ.

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Warnings if they're just being annoying, if they're abusing the system a temp ban, still doing it later permaban.

In this case, resetting their stats or whatever should be considered the warning.
 

Booze Zombie

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In this particular case, they were warned... by being banned for a day and having all their shit taken off of them.

I'm guessing if they do it again they'll get a perma-ban.
 

TheComedown

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Don't they get a warning in the EULA anyway? and saying they didn't know is complete bullshit, they get whats coming, no right to *****.
 

Hisshiss

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StriderShinryu said:
I think warnings are appropriate if something is sort of straddling the line between an exploit and some sort of emergent gameplay, but when it's obvious that you're exploiting something for obvious gain then no, no warnings are needed.
Seconded.