Cheating and Scoreboards: Opinions?

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Psycho11Edge

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So recently I picked up Agarest: Generations of War for PC as I like the series and having the first one on my laptop would allow me more time to play when away from home or when others are using my Xbox. It came to my attention while on the Steam page for it, a lot of people were complaining about how people had already cheated their way to the top of the scoreboard. Even though this does suck and is kind of insulting to the game developer, I don't really care, whether it's the cheating or the leader boards themselves.

When it comes to cheating, when it's not directly competitive things like FPS games, I don't care. A lot of people enjoy being that all powerful person of unstoppable awesomeness, but as long as they don't ruin anyone else's day with this, who am I to tell them no, especially when I myself can find entertainment from being godly powerful in a game. I would never use cheats to influence competitive stuff, but I would cheat in something like Skyrim for the fun of it as it doesn't affect anyone's game and experience but my own.

The leader boards for A:GoW (That acronym sounds too similar to Gears of War, which I hate, but oh well) are, for all intents and purposes, competitive, but not so much in the way as something like Halo or CoD, as being on the top of the leader board is impossible for 99% of the people playing anyways, so it really doesn't matter if you are 2,564,783rd place or 2,564,784th place simply because someone cheated to the top. (Exaggerated numbers of course)

Not to mention leader boards in nearly any game are hacked, cheated or broken not long after their release. They usually fall into 3 categories. Single highest, Total highest, or fluctuating.

Single highest are things like longest headshot, or longest killstreak, or things like that, and are almost always cheated in by people to be extremely high. BF3 for example has listed longest headshots as well over several miles. My longest is about half a mile, and at that distance, the person barely showed up, and to hit him, I had to have him almost off the bottom of my screen while zoomed in. To hit too much further than that is pretty much impossible.

Total highest are things like highest total scores, or most lifetime kills. These are pointless for anyone who hasn't been playing nonstop since the game in question's release, as the only way to catch up is to hope the people in the lead stop playing, and then you play for as long as they had before you had started. And I don't doubt some of these may be cheated as well.

Fluctuating means things which statistical value varies up and down, such as accuracy or K/D. These are also almost always cheated, as you'll find on games like Crysis 2 the most accurate person on there according to the leader boards has an accuracy of 1800% with negative missed shots.

Leader boards are pointless, and cheating in a single player game has no real effect on anyone else's game, so in my opinion, this really shouldn't matter. But like I just said, this is my opinion. What do you all think on this?
 

Alfredo Jones

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I'm just going to go ahead and admit it: I cheat like an mofo when I'm playing PC games. Trainers, hacks, mods, the whole shebang. I will not, however, cheat in a live multiplayer environment where said cheating affects the enjoyment of the game for other people. As for scoreboards, I don't care about them much but I know some people can be very serious about them. If possible I try not to let my scores be submitted, though that isn't always an option. In that case I just don't care. I'm sure someone can have pride in being in hypothetical first place beneath all the hackers.
 

MysticSlayer

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I personally don't have fun with cheats most of the time. Sometimes they make the game a little more enjoyable, but I find them to normally not be as fun as the game in its original state. I also don't care about scoreboards, as I can only see two ways of reaching the top: 1). Cheat (which I don't like) or 2). Have no life (which I'm not inclined to do). As a result, I just ignore scoreboards and have fun with the game.
 

Yuuki

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Go nuts with cheats/hacks as long as you're doing it in your own little bubble (i.e. singleplayer games).

But whoever uses cheats/hacks in a multiplayer environment to gain an advantage over others deserves a fucking slow painful death. Especially hackers in multiplayer shooters...you can be having a really fun/competitive round and then some cheater comes along, insta-kills everyone and jumps from server to server pissing off countless players.
What's worse, some of these fuckers have infinite access to their parents' credit cards which means banning their accounts does nothing, they spend literally hundreds of dollars on game keys + subscriptions to cheating sites/tools JUST to gain enjoyment from pissing people off (or getting that feeling of "winning").

I never let online trolls get to me, but multiplayer cheaters/hackers have a special place in hell for what they do.
 

TehCookie

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The only time I look at a scoreboard is when a game forces me to, like Tokyo Jungle. Which I find it annoying, I don't care about the scoreboard at all. Cheating is a fun way to mix up the game and change the rules and I enjoy it. I never thought of how it affects leaderboards since I ignore them, and I'll continue to do so and play how I want.
 

Elfgore

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The only time I have ever looked at a scoreboard is for Battlefield 3 aka the only game I play seriously. I don't cheat and never try to glitch the game. I will take advantage of certain unfair positions though.

But for games like Tokyo Jungle and stuff, I couldn't care less. Like TehCookie above me I hate the fact they show you the scoreboard after every game. It's stupid, give me an option to turn it off damnit!
 

thethird0611

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I really dislike people using cheats for the scoreboard. I remember the one game that everyone in the multiplayer universe was at the mercy of certain small groups. Chromehounds.

Basically its a 1v1v1 battle between nations in smaller fronts of 5 man squads, which those 5 men are apart of a larger group of up to 20 people. Well, there were 2 groups I believe that used cheats to make their nation win and get the top achievements every time, since some of them were "Be the most influential squad" etc. We all had fun, but we always knew it wouldnt mean shit if we tried hard to beat them.
 

Doom972

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I dislike it because it takes away a feature from the game. Being able to compete for the best time/score with other people does add something to the game, and once the top players are all hackers, it makes it pointless.
 

Smooth Operator

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Well I don't mind anyone cheating as long as it is for themselves, but if things connect to a community even just highscores then there should be a segregation of legit and non legit play.

I may not have a need for highscores, but some people do and they should have their fun same as me.
 

Floppertje

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It's completely pathetic that your sense of self-worth is apparently so fragile that you need to cheat to get to the top of the scoreboard of a videogame. Now if you really like it and you're really good at it, it's fine to be proud of that, but it's not something you should cheat for. In competitive mp it's even worse because you're ruining other people's fun. It would also make me feel like crap to cheat because apparently, I'm so terrible that I need a different set of rules from everyone else so I don't get too much boo-boos...

Of course as a pc gamer I cheat all the damn time when I'm offline to tweak games to be more fun for me. It's called modding.

P.S.: OP, your post is WAY too long. You could've said all that in 2 paragraphs, you're not trying to write an article here. Almost made me skip it entirely.
 

GoaThief

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Cheating on scoreboards is usual just about as bad as cheating in a multiplayer game with multiple clients.

Some games such as pinball are built around competitive play and scoreboards, same with hot lapping. Just because it's not done in real time when the other players aren't "face to face", doesn't mean it's any less of a wrong. You are still spoiling other people's games by cheating.

I'm sure it's considered a "more acceptable" form of cheating by many due to the above real time reasoning. Just as people are less likely to cheat in person than on the internet. A sliding scale if you will, one that I don't subscribe to.

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Bat Vader

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I cheat in the games that I play and I am not ashamed to admit it. My one rule though is to never cheat in multiplayer. I will cheat as much as I want in single player but never multiplayer.

If a game I own has a leader board I will try and never let it submit my score.
 

Drummodino

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I honestly do not understand the appeal of hacking leaderboards and cheating in a multiplayer game. I remember playing Star Wars Battlefront: Renegade Squadron on PSP back in the day (fun game btw) and being really proud of getting into the top 250 of the world (there was a total of around 16 000 accounts if I recall correctly). However the top 20 were obviously hackers. I remember playing a game where one showed up and just insta-killed everyone on the opposing team. Most boring game I've ever played. There's no challenge - how can that be fun?

I just don't get it.
 

Psycho11Edge

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I seem to be mostly alone in my thinking on this matter.

And to Floppertje: I apologize. I have a habit of writing a lot. It comes from socializing with groups of individuals who regularly type out pages worth of stuff in one message.
 

aguspal

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Bothare pretty damn useless and serve litte to no purpose IMO...

But then, that also means there is literally no reason to hate them either...


I guess they can stay, they wont do bad stuff in the games I think.,
 

DementedSheep

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I don't really care about leaderboards (its not like I'm a top player) but I don't like people who cheat them. It may not be not quite as bad as cheating in something directly competitive because you're not affecting the actual gameplay but its still really scummy and I don't see the point. Any pride you would get from being at the top of the board is completely invalid. All you've achieved it dicking over the people who do want to rank themselves legitimately. The fact that most leaderboards are hacked doesn't make it any less scummy. Ideally that wouldn't happen.

Cheating is absolutely fine in single player but when involves other people, whether that's direct or just comparing scores is not.
 

Racecarlock

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Cheating for score? Those people sound boring. Where are the people who mod in spongebob soldiers and Metal Slug tanks?

I mean, cheating for score is really lame when you could literally be god on your own virtual plane of existence.
 

Eve Charm

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Leader board cheating is horrible and should outright get people banned. It's blatantly obvious most the time and ruins the competitive experience. It's also a good indicator of how much a company is actually gonna give a damn about their game if they let it stay.