"Check please.": Terrible dining

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In early September of '09 my budget deprived school opened up a sushi bar/cafe that would appeal to students with a little extra dosh who didn't want to have to deal with the daily gruel of the cafeteria. When it first opened the newly built "Cafe Norte" bolstered the slogan "Better food, bigger portions", what they neglected to mention was "bigger prices". It was most certainly a gutsy investment on the school's part.

True to their advertisement, the cafe offered a substantial amount of better food compared to what we could buy in the cafeteria, and for the price of $10.65 you could buy a double-cheese burger (with the amenities), a small order of fries and a bottle of soda. And if you wanted to to get a decent serving of sushi you'd better get ready to start handing out Jacksons. Despite the exuberant prices and the ridiculous 25% sales tax (technically it was a 10% sales and a 15% of some other tax, but was pigeon holed as a sale tax), the cafe was actually doing good business. Not only was the cafe supplying the school with good food, it was also working as a "culinary arts" class for those who intended to become chefs in the future. No pun intended, but the students ate up what the cafe had to offer, and by February the school had made back a good portion of its investment and all seemed to be going well for my money-desperate administration.

That is until the State decided to inspect the cafe in mid-April. What the inspectors found was a "substandard" establishment in need of some serious cleanup and better management. The end result of the inspection was a big fat placard with the letter "C" which greets you at the door every time you walk in like a sloppily dressed Wal-Mart greeter. It seems that there was more going on at Cafe Norte than what we saw in the dining area. The major criticisms of the place were mainly tied to cleanliness, service, management, and small problems with food preparation. While some of these these were serious problem, it wasn't enough to sink the establishment. Cafe Norte has been given until the end of May to show improvement or it'll get the yellow tape.

Now I'm no Gordon Ramsey (mind you I can make a mean Salmon Fettuccine Alfredo), but I think I know a few ways Cafe Norte could improve.


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[HEADING=3]1). Better management[/HEADING]
While the cafe is technically a class, the teacher, one Ms. Shin, could definitely use a bit of a reality check that Cafe Norte is also a business. That means you cannot take shit from students and that it is your responsibility to keep them in line. I have seen students snap back at the teacher when mandated to do something and yet she doesn't want to do anything about it. Whether this is out of not wishing to upset her students or just simply not caring I have no clue, but one thing is for certain that a lowly student chef should not go unpunished when they have a freak out.

The solution is simple. Don't think of them as students, think of them as employees.

[HEADING=3]2). Enforce a stricter policy of cleanliness[/HEADING]
This was one of the major complaints from the inspector. It seems that the kitchen wasn't quite up to code on the upkeep of its equipment and work area. This was manifested in the form of crusted up stoves, dirty ovens, stained floors, and poorly maintained utensils. Mind you the equipment they bought from the start wasn't in the best condition to begin with, but it wasn't anything a good scrub over with bleach, lighter fluid and a Magic Eraser couldn't fix.

This could have been avoided by simply having the students clean their area when their class was over, or by having the after school class be responsible for cleaning the kitchen before they leave. By simply doing a little bit of mopping and scrubbing you can prevent numerous things such food-borne disease and problems with food quality.

[HEADING=3]3). Better waste management[/HEADING]
If you were to go out behind the cafe you would find a hill of trash bags sorted out between trash and recyclables. This is a feral animal's paradise because the only thing separating a wild cat from left over tuna is a thin layer of plastic. This is possibly the easiest problem to solve and can be remedied by simply having a dumpster with a closing lid on it placed out back. By simply using one of the dumpsters laying around or having the school request a new one from the district you can solve your problems of torn up trash bags and flocks of seagulls.

By simply filling out a few sheets of paper for a requisition you could easily bump that C up to a B.

[HEADING=3]4). Bigger menu[/HEADING]
One of the major criticisms about the food was mainly centered around the selection. If you're a vegetarian and you're looking to spend a few extra dollars the most you could hope for was a salad from Fresh & Easy. Now I know the term "vegetarian" means that you object to eating meat, but that doesn't mean that all you eat is salad. I can understand that things like "V-Meat" and various other fruits and veggies may add a few hundred dollars to your expenses per week, but by simply spending a few extra dollars at the nearby Costco or Sam's Club you open yourself up to a broader customer base.

This also goes for your drink menus. Because this is a "cafe", yes, they also sell coffee a la 7-Eleven (i.e. buy a cup and fill it yourself). They also sell other beverages like soda, water, and Monster. What they need to consider are possibly selling other things like Gatorade, milk, juice, and fruit shakes (i.e. Odwalla). Some of your customers are coming back from a physical education class and need something to revitalize themselves, and simply offering the option between caffeine, sugar and benzoate, Dasani, and heart attack serum is very inconvenient for them.

[HEADING=3]5). Specialized training[/HEADING]
The other complaint about the food was targeted at the sushi. While yes the selection is quite varied (from California rolls to eel), you need to realize that not all sushi is served raw. Yes, while thins such as tuna and salmon don't require much of anything, Unagi on the other hand requires some form of cooking.

While Ms. Shin made the wise decision to have only certain people make the sushi for each class, they also need to realize that it has to be done right. This is also easily fixed if she was to simply take a day or two (preferably a Saturday or Sunday) to teach your special students how to properly prepare sushi.

[HEADING=3]6). Better service[/HEADING]
This is another killer. If you don't have a welcoming atmosphere you drive away customers. I have seen people be yelled at, scolded, and called various other things. Yes, I understand that the people who are behind the counter are high school students with egos and attitudes, but that doesn't means they can bring it into the work place. Just because you may not like being in a class that requires you learn to wash dishes and deal with the occasional idiot for an hour, doesn't give you the right to be an asshole.

This is solved by cracking down on bad student behavior and handing out bad grades after multiple violations. A server should NEVER snap back at a customer, no matter how stupid or wrong they are.

[HEADING=3]7). Buy a water heater[/HEADING]
If you sell ramen noodles and kimchi along with some other, cheaper munchies that require hot water, be sure that you are the provider of said hot water and not the Junior Reserve Officer's Training Corps across campus. Cheap food such as ramen can be bought in gigantic industrial-sized packs for $0.25 each and sold for a dollar at the register. Ramen is a MAJOR money maker, and losing a large number of low-budget customers to your competitor is a business killer. And besides...

[HEADING=2]...who doesn't like a nice cup of ramen?[/HEADING]

I sure as hell do...

So, on the subject of shitty places to eat, what's the worst dining experience you've had? Be sure to cite what you saw was wrong.
 

Amnestic

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The major complaint I have with food establishments (and this isn't all of them) is often the waiters will be stood around chatting while I'm trying to get their attention. Now I'm not saying I want them walking past every 30 seconds asking if I want anything, but if there's a lull in business and they get some stand-around time, at least keep an eye on your customers to see if any of them are trying to catch your attention.

Also people getting my order wrong. There is nothing which puts me off returning to a restaurant, café or whatever than getting my order wrong.

Oh yeah, also I agree with all your points, the café needs to be run better. Can't imagine cooking with dirty utensils. That's just...urgh.
 

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Hmm.... interesting read there.

Anyway worst place I ate was a Carrabas I think its spelled. (Chain Italian Resturants)

Anyway the restaurant was empty but still took 10 minutes to get a seat. (what the hell man?) We we finally go out seats and ordered our meals, but the chefs apparently got our pizza order confused with some other meal. (how do you mess that up?) So after waiting 45 minutes of waiting(yes 45 fucking minutes for a fucking pizza) we finally get our pizza. And the pizza wasen't even that great! It was greasy and flavorless compared to other I've had. In the end they decided not to charge us due to their constant mess ups, which was nice but I was still pissed at them. That by far was the worst dinning experience I've ever had.
 

Timotei

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Rolling Thunder said:
I once ordered Tuna steak. What I got was a fucking shark.
When you say that, do you mean they handed you I gigantic slab of tuna or was it really a shark?

[small]Because if it was that would be cool.[/small]
 

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Our school wants to do something similar, so it's cool to hear of another school that has done this.

OT: I haven't had a really bad experience at a restaurant, except for one time. It was my 13th birthday, we had a reservation for a few months, (It was just a Red Lobster), and we got turned away. Never gone back since then.
 

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I happen to work in a McDonalds, and I must say, I have an entirely different view of the restaurant after working there, now I can't speak for all McDonalds(I still go into different restaurants and am appalled by what I have seen sometimes) but my particular restaurant is actually amazing.

That's being said, I still know exactly where the faults are, both from the mystery shopper perspective and from an average customer perspective. From the mystery shopper our only fault is ever slow service(from the time they join the queue to the time they have food in hand should be under 5 mins, if not, its a fail) and occasionally dirty toilets/cold fries, but thats it, and they are hardly deal breakers either, well the toilets might be but still. Its incredible hard to keep the toilets clean, I should know, its my job. I check them every 10 mins without fail and almost every time the ladies toilets in a mess. It is hell just trying to keep it clean.

But thats only the mystery shopper, its not the same as what the average customer gets. If they order a specific burger like a plain big mac or something they could be waiting upwards of 10 mins for it. Thats crazy. I deal with complaints, and I would say once a month I hear of something completely new thats gone wrong and has never happened before. Most recently it was because the cap on the top of the chairs, to protect the metal, fell off and the glue that held it leaked onto some womans jacket. That was fun to help with.

I can only speak for fast food restaurants but holy fuck, you will look at them in such a different light should you ever work their for an extended period of time. The amount of things to constantly stay on top of is unreal, Cleanliness of the food prep area is most important though, if you fuck up that then you shouldn't be a restaurant, plain as.
 

Amnestic

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Sronpop said:
I check them every 10 mins without fail and almost every time the ladies toilets in a mess. It is hell just trying to keep it clean.
Do I want you to define "mess", and if you did, would it make me feel ill? :p

Sronpop said:
Most recently it was because the cap on the top of the chairs, to protect the metal, fell off and the glue that held it leaked onto some womans jacket. That was fun to help with.
A) Was the jacket nice and B) Was it ruined afterwards?
 

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Timotei said:
Rolling Thunder said:
I once ordered Tuna steak. What I got was a fucking shark.
When you say that, do you mean they handed you I gigantic slab of tuna or was it really a shark?

[small]Because if it was that would be cool.[/small]
No, it was shark meat. Literally, the meat from a shark. I know because there was skin on it, and it was not tuna scale.
 

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marter said:
It was my 13th birthday, we had a reservation for a few months, (It was just a Red Lobster), and we got turned away. Never gone back since then.
Aha! I smell civil lawsuit! Reservations constitute a verbal contract. They didn't live up their side for whatever reason, therefore they have to subsidize you for travel & inconvenience caused.

Edit: In the UK anyways . . . maybe the same in Canada . . . They turning you away isn't right regardless.
 

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Eerors said:
marter said:
It was my 13th birthday, we had a reservation for a few months, (It was just a Red Lobster), and we got turned away. Never gone back since then.
Aha! I smell civil lawsuit! Reservations constitute a verbal contract. They didn't live up their side for whatever reason, therefore they have to subsidize you for travel & inconvenience caused.
A bit late now, considering that was years ago.
 

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marter said:
Eerors said:
marter said:
It was my 13th birthday, we had a reservation for a few months, (It was just a Red Lobster), and we got turned away. Never gone back since then.
Aha! I smell civil lawsuit! Reservations constitute a verbal contract. They didn't live up their side for whatever reason, therefore they have to subsidize you for travel & inconvenience caused.
A bit late now, considering that was years ago.
Maybe you have late onset trauma? very late onset. *hint hint*
 

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Eerors said:
marter said:
Eerors said:
marter said:
It was my 13th birthday, we had a reservation for a few months, (It was just a Red Lobster), and we got turned away. Never gone back since then.
Aha! I smell civil lawsuit! Reservations constitute a verbal contract. They didn't live up their side for whatever reason, therefore they have to subsidize you for travel & inconvenience caused.
A bit late now, considering that was years ago.
Maybe you have late onset trauma? very late onset. *hint hint*
Yes, not being able to have seafood on my 13th birthday has just now started to scar me for life. I could die any second due to this trauma. I must get working on that lawsuit. :)
 

Amnestic

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HG131 said:
Admittedly, morons deserve to be treated like that.
While I do agree that morons in restaurants deserve being ridiculued, you shouldn't disrespect your customers openly. It's unprofessional and makes the entire staff look bad. If you're having trouble with an idiot, you should stay polite until you can head back into the kitchen/out back and have a mini-rant.

If it were on the street I'd probably agree with you, but when you're an employee at a business things are rather different.
 

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Amnestic said:
Sronpop said:
I check them every 10 mins without fail and almost every time the ladies toilets in a mess. It is hell just trying to keep it clean.
Do I want you to define "mess", and if you did, would it make me feel ill? :p

Sronpop said:
Most recently it was because the cap on the top of the chairs, to protect the metal, fell off and the glue that held it leaked onto some womans jacket. That was fun to help with.
A) Was the jacket nice and B) Was it ruined afterwards?
95% percent of the times its just tissue/water/general dirt, nothing bad, but enough to look dirty. The rest of the time? You really don't want to know. Irish girls aren't exactly know for being classy, finding bottles of vodka/wine in the toilets its more common than you would think.

The guys toilets are fine, the worst mess you get their is some pisses on the floor, no big deal really, mops aren't that hard to operate. But the ladies, stuff from there has scarred me. The balls on some girls to do the 'shit' they do. Some girl did a shit right in the middle of floor in the toilet before, like not even in a stall, just on the floor. Never caught the ***** but holy fuck like.

Yeah, looked like a nice enough jacket, well define ruined. If by ruined you mean a spot on the shoulder where it looked like she got jizzed on? Then yes it was ruined. We apparently dry cleaned it and it didn't come off so I dunno what the story was. I think my boss just gave the woman 100 quid of something and that was it.
 

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Here in South Africa, we are surrounded by the ocean, meaning that everyone goes there for December holidays. Therefore it is understandable that coastal restaurants are under some pressure...

But cafe Dolche vita has no excuse for what it did. I ordered a nice sweet chilli and chicken wrap and a coke.

After 10 minutes, they say they don't have coke. I order a water. It costs money. when it comes it is just tap water in glass. Tastes salty.

Wrap finally arrives, is very soggy and hardly has any chicken in it and is essentially sauce in a roll. Restaurant air-con turns off for god only knows what reason. I manage to consume wrap.

Nine o'clock that night... I have the worst illness I had felt until that stage in my life. My father also gets and within 12 hours of our meal at dolche vita, the entire family is downed by diarrhoea. Fun.

I wake up a day later, my mother has recovered and I feel OKAY, not good however and my stomach hurts.

Within three days my father has had so much muscle strain from vomiting that he gets a hernia... To this day he still has the scars from where the doctors operated on his hernia.

If you want a life threatening illness, eat at cafe dolche vita in the summer holidays :]
 

SimuLord

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I don't really have a terrible dining experience of my own (getting sick from KFC doesn't count), so I'll tell one of my mother's stories from the Ninety-Nine Restaurant, Lynnfield, Massachusetts, 1990 or so (I was 13):

My mother is severely allergic to Swiss cheese. As in, "get to the fucking hospital" allergic. She also likes French onion soup, but she has to get them to either take out the Swiss cheese or substitute a cheese she's not allergic to like provolone or mozzarella. (and no, before you ask, I don't know what it is about Swiss in particular.)

Anyway, she ordered a bowl of French onion soup, asked for it with no cheese, and the server brought it out with cheese. My mom, not normally rattled by incompetence, said calmly, "I'm allergic to Swiss cheese, take it back and bring me a bowl of onion soup with no cheese, please."

Fast-forward about two and a half minutes and the server brings back out a bowl of onion soup...with very obvious traces of cheese on the rim of the bowl. My mom went ballistic, and we stopped eating at that restaurant after that.
 
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Once, in Spain (yeah, my family is original) we went to this restaurant (good start eh?). This was one of those bayside dealies - we'd circle the bay each night looking for a nice place to eat. We all ordered something different, and it was all shite. We ended up going to a different one for more food.

I have never, ever eaten a pasta dish where the pasta was rubbery. How easy can it be to not fuck up pasta? And I'm fairly certain it wasn't a Spanish delicacy. Paella is delicious after all.

That was bad food. Bad service was something we also encountered in Spain. Possibly a different visit. They made a fiesta as some sort of excuse for their staggering lateness, but really, it wasn't that hard to bring food out. That being said, the food was probably the best I'd ever tasted. That time it was steak, and I've never had any steak more succulent or flavoursome.