I will happily hold the door for people, but I might hold it longer for a woman I find attractive, so I guess I'm really only chivalrous to women I find attractive, and even then only when I'm paying attention, normally I'm zoned out and don't notice them.
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Okay, speaking as a woman, here's my take on it:
Chivalry today is pretty much synonymous with being polite, as said. Also, if a man today doesn't act chivalrous it generally doesn't count against them. However, being chivalrous when it is not expected or required does put a man into a better light and makes me think highly of them. Likewise, I am expected to be courteous and kind to the man who was polite to me. I will hold a door open for a man who holds a door open for me and compliment a man who compliments me and so on and so forth.
Women who get angry at guys for being polite are insane. They need to chill and take a deep breath and reanalyze their thought process. (Men who hold doors open are not trying to insult you!) Same goes for guys who think that acts of chivalry are stupid. It's a sad world when acting in a polite, courtly manner is scorned.
Things like hitting women? I think it's the same standards that should apply to everyone. Only fight if provoked. I would not get angry at a man who said they knocked a woman out because she was attacking him. In fact, I'd honestly expect that he should do that. However, attacking anyone, man or woman, unprovoked is not cool.
Chivalry today is pretty much synonymous with being polite, as said. Also, if a man today doesn't act chivalrous it generally doesn't count against them. However, being chivalrous when it is not expected or required does put a man into a better light and makes me think highly of them. Likewise, I am expected to be courteous and kind to the man who was polite to me. I will hold a door open for a man who holds a door open for me and compliment a man who compliments me and so on and so forth.
Women who get angry at guys for being polite are insane. They need to chill and take a deep breath and reanalyze their thought process. (Men who hold doors open are not trying to insult you!) Same goes for guys who think that acts of chivalry are stupid. It's a sad world when acting in a polite, courtly manner is scorned.
Things like hitting women? I think it's the same standards that should apply to everyone. Only fight if provoked. I would not get angry at a man who said they knocked a woman out because she was attacking him. In fact, I'd honestly expect that he should do that. However, attacking anyone, man or woman, unprovoked is not cool.
True Chivalry/gentleman conduct should extend to both sexes as it was orginally and even then you shouldnt think you have to say not burp into peoples faces because its unchivalrous you shouldnt do it because its not good manners not to mention disgusting and annoying.
Chivalry's dead, and women killed it. 
And for the best, too. Women don't deserve special treatment due to their gender. Isn't it better for yourself AND other people to treat them according to their perceived merit rather than some vague principles of conduct?
And for the best, too. Women don't deserve special treatment due to their gender. Isn't it better for yourself AND other people to treat them according to their perceived merit rather than some vague principles of conduct?
I treat girls exactly like I treat other guys, and in my experience they seem to prefer it that way.
To all those "nice guys" who believe in chivalry, consider this: if your friends treated you the way you treat women (all polite and formal and shit), would you be having fun? I dunno about you, but I'd be bored out of my skull. People (women included) want to get to know your real personality, not how well you can adhere to pre-determined codes of behaviour.
To all those "nice guys" who believe in chivalry, consider this: if your friends treated you the way you treat women (all polite and formal and shit), would you be having fun? I dunno about you, but I'd be bored out of my skull. People (women included) want to get to know your real personality, not how well you can adhere to pre-determined codes of behaviour.
Well. I'm polite to women. For example, if she is cold, then she gets my coat, no objections. However, if said women is a *****, she gets blanked, because I cba to put up with that shit, I have more important things to occupy my conciousness with, although I will not be a twat just for the sake of being a twat. There's no point.
Well, yes. No ... but there's no reason why 'chivalry' cannot change to recognise that whilst women are not the weaker sex, there are weaker men and women then the average person.
The aged, the injured, the pregnant.
I mean women aren't the weaker sex, but it's foolish to believe that a physical condition such as being elderly, having a disability, or being pregnant does not affect your life condition and maske you more vulnerable.
The aged, the injured, the pregnant.
I mean women aren't the weaker sex, but it's foolish to believe that a physical condition such as being elderly, having a disability, or being pregnant does not affect your life condition and maske you more vulnerable.
I like chivalry.
And quite frankly, I hardly think it's sexist or anti feminist or whatever. And this is coming from a female.
Perhaps people dislike it because it falls into the category of many double standards and catch-22s. I see it more of a nice bit of politeness for the "fairer" as opposed to weaker.
I include things like a man walking on the outside of the street while the female is inside as to protect her from the cars and stuff. Or like back in England and stuff when people dumped trash and waste out their windows so men walked near the inside so they'd be more likely to be hit by the sludge and other unpleasant things.
Or laying your jacket over a puddle so they don't get wet.
And quite frankly, I hardly think it's sexist or anti feminist or whatever. And this is coming from a female.
Perhaps people dislike it because it falls into the category of many double standards and catch-22s. I see it more of a nice bit of politeness for the "fairer" as opposed to weaker.
I include things like a man walking on the outside of the street while the female is inside as to protect her from the cars and stuff. Or like back in England and stuff when people dumped trash and waste out their windows so men walked near the inside so they'd be more likely to be hit by the sludge and other unpleasant things.
Or laying your jacket over a puddle so they don't get wet.
1st, anyone who complains when someone holds a door for them needs to see a therapist.
2nd, I find that I hold the door for both genders, so rather than chivalry I prefer politeness.
Also, isn't it the fairer sex?
2nd, I find that I hold the door for both genders, so rather than chivalry I prefer politeness.
Also, isn't it the fairer sex?
While I don't actively treat women differently than men, sometimes I do catch myself inadvertently doing it with a female friend. sometimes it's being a good friend, but most of the time it's that sentiment that's driven into the minds of most males; treat women nicely, with respect, and "don't hit girls". That being said, if I'm interested in a girl I will certainly show it by treating her differently than I would others, but that's expected.
BTW, as for holding doors open, I have one thing to say about that. When I hold a door for someone, regardless of gender, I will rarely go so far as to hold the door open as they pass through, but instead I will hand the door to them, so to speak. This has basically the same effect, they just have to grab the handle of the door from me instead of reaching for it and puling the door open. It's a little convenient for them, and I don't have to make it look like I'm trying to patronize anybody.
BTW, as for holding doors open, I have one thing to say about that. When I hold a door for someone, regardless of gender, I will rarely go so far as to hold the door open as they pass through, but instead I will hand the door to them, so to speak. This has basically the same effect, they just have to grab the handle of the door from me instead of reaching for it and puling the door open. It's a little convenient for them, and I don't have to make it look like I'm trying to patronize anybody.
Yes yes, just as most hippies weren't actually open-minded lovers of peace and such and so-on ans were never interested in changing the world for the better, but their ideals and the origins of their ideals were still good, just as the original concept of chivalry was good. That's all I said.archvile93 said:
Guys holding doors for me is nice (and kind of romantic). Standing up would be... weird. Also, I never really thought about the hat thing being part of chivalry.ham and red bull said:
I mean, when I think of chivalry, I think of men dueling for the honor of sleeping with me. Two handsome knights, fighting with swords, just to be with me.
I could use more of that.
Of course, there is the issue of sexism. So hot women could also fight for me. ^^
I'll stop now, before I bring up the warm oil wrestling....