Circumcision: a Pillar of American ignorance

[Rekrul]

my 2 cents, its a barbaric ritual that has no place in our society, other than for the few and far between medical reasons, which in the vast majority of said cases can be solved with out mutilating said penis.

and to those who said, i had circumcision and i dint lose any sensitivity, last time i check, as a baby your not having sex (hopefully) and if you were i pray to god you don't remember it.

Had mine when I was 21, so I got experience sex before and after, and by god its better now. But then I did have mine lopped off for medical reasons.

 

[pumuckl]

First of all, when you call a country ignorant, yes, you are being a troll. My fathers an educated man, and am quite glad he circumcised me, since it looks better imo and many girls here in america. In fact uncircumcised penis's can be seen asrevoltn or even a little frightening here from what I have heard. Soo some people don't want a sock puppet between there legs, the real question is why r u so concerned about other. Mens penis's?

Hmmm, Seems at the end of that you were being deliberately inflamatory and trying to infer that the OP was gay! Sure, I also agree that calling an entire country ignorant is a bit... Not the best idea, but apart from that he is trying to bring up a few good points.

Perhaps you need to look further than the thread title and consider things fully. By calling the thread what he called it he dragged in a lot of Americans who would normally ignore the thread. And people (Like you) need to realise that Circumcision is a pointless operation that can cause irreparable damage.

Such as making you unable to feel anything at all within the head of your penis. Great. Try enjoying sex when you cannot actually feel what is going on.

The reason he is concerned? The same reason any well educated man would be concerned about anything dangerous and stupid that goes on in the world. Why am I concerned that the popular uprisings within Arabia are killing people? I grew up in the Arab Region, I feel a connection to it and, to a degree (Through friends and the like) I bleed when they bleed,

First of all, I should be proud he used tabloid journalism techniques?yes yes yes surely that's to berespected. I like how your trying to tell mehow my penis works. Its just fine thank you. And my father did put thought into it, he diddnt wan me to be rediculed.ur talkng aboutas much danger as piercing your nose or lip can bring, if he wpuld of,mentioned that as a pointless cosmetic alteration as wel, then I could only respectfully agree. You forget theres numerous things that can go wrong with child birth, circumcision being the least deadly. Why no argument against natural child birth? Since c-sections regulay save lives. And r u seriously equating a cosmetc choice that kills no one with a civil war? U sir, out trolled the pumuckl. Seriously though it this line of thinking anyone with a tattoo, natural child birth, piercing,or teavhes their children to swim is ignorant cuz smthing might happen to ur child. P.s. sorry for grammar and spelling getting used to this tablets annoying keyboard




So a man who is concerned about the practices that are affecting other men is not to be expected? I find it worrying how much the Americans seem to think that mutilating children (Like you) before they are at the age to understand anything.

Hell, To use your same logic (And minor insult) Should you not be concerned about the interest your father had in your penis as a child?

 

[pumuckl]

my 2 cents, its a barbaric ritual that has no place in our society, other than for the few and far between medical reasons, which in the vast majority of said cases can be solved with out mutilating said penis.

and to those who said, i had circumcision and i dint lose any sensitivity, last time i check, as a baby your not having sex (hopefully) and if you were i pray to god you don't remember it.

Had mine when I was 21, so I got experience sex before and after, and by god its better now. But then I did have mine lopped off for medical reasons.

Sorry last comment got lost in the middle of quoting you, but if ur just talking about pleasure then everyone is ignoramt for not having sex on Meth or e, cuz u don't knw what an orgasm os till then

 

[Steinar Valsson]

It's not the same since eye color does not change anything but looks. Not having the nerves in the end does change something.

 

[BRex21]

Any surgery carries the risk of infection and death... perhaps we should ban all cosmetic surgery?

An adult can understand and consent to the risks an elective surgery carries, an infant can not.

Removing toenails/getting tattoos/piercings/female circumcision/molestation have no benefits. Male circumcision's possible pros and cons are still debated.

Hyperbole is fun, isn't it?

Technically Type 1 female circumcision shares many of the "advantages" that your typical male circumcision does. Smegma builds up under the clitoral hood and without proper hygiene this can look bad and produce foul odours, and the rates of STD prevention in circumcised women is actually slightly better in terms of correlating than that with circumcised men. Its still far from conclusive or even supportive, and more likely the result of other factors, but there is no way to debate in favour of one and against the other without ignoring any semblance of rationality.

And hitting kids. Hitting kids is illegal now as well.

So in essence you're okay with me using my kids as needle dispensers for my sowing kit (those tiny pillows are expensive and don't writhe as nicely).
That is absolutely repulsive.

Hyperbole is really fun! But it's not a great way of making a point without seeming childish. Circumcision =/= serial killer-levels of creepazoid.

well since about a hundred infants die directly from their circumcisions in the USA each year you could argue that it is more effective than any serial killer. Many of these deaths are from severe shock due to the excruciating pain of having nervous tissue cut from the body usually without anaesthetic. Personally i think i would rather have the pins stuck in me.

 

[pumuckl]

As a post note I do appreciate so many ppl considering us Jews outdated and barbaric, I have a moustache for you. No really its kinda cute how concerned u all r over my meat stick and us Americans. Its OK we have Angelina Jolie and y'all have Stephen fry, just different, but still awesome

 

[Atmos Duality]

I have read that circumcised people tend to 'feel less'.

That makes no sense to me.
Removing the sheathing for the Glans-Penis shouldn't damage the glans' reception at all.

Our fingertips are the among the most sensitive parts of our body, yet constant usage and contact doesn't dull them short of permanent damage.

 

[SD-Fiend]

unless you had sex, had been circumcised, and had sex again your opinion is probably wrong

 

[Beryl77]

I'm circumcised, doesn't bother me at all.

 

[Phasmal]

Medical Science to the rescue: UNCIRCUMCISED PENISES ARE LESS HYGIENIC.

No they are not. That is called basic hygiene that is dependent on YOU.

Fact: NO modern medical organization EVER recommends circumcision anymore.

In fact, its classified as a cosmetic surgery. Utterly useless.

ACTUAL science to the rescue: Your argument is grade A bullshit.

I really dont get the guys argueing the hygiene route.
I may be a girl, but I have had a boyfriend for the past 2-and-a-half years, and he has absolutely no problem with his hygiene.
I asked him about it and he said theres no issue keeping himself clean downstairs.
You'd have to be pretty scummy not to keep it clean.

 

[BRex21]

That makes no sense to me.
Removing the sheathing for the Glans-Penis shouldn't damage the glans' reception at all.

Our fingertips are the among the most sensitive parts of our body, yet constant usage and contact doesn't dull them short of permanent damage.

The head of the penis is supposed to stay wet and lubricated, without the foreskin it dries out and ends up with thicker skin. While a finger has several layers of skin to protect it friction and exposure to harsh climates does exactly the same thing, that's why guitar players and ice fishers etc. have thicker rougher skin that is less sensitive.

 

[tofulove]

my 2 cents, its a barbaric ritual that has no place in our society, other than for the few and far between medical reasons, which in the vast majority of said cases can be solved with out mutilating said penis.

and to those who said, i had circumcision and i dint lose any sensitivity, last time i check, as a baby your not having sex (hopefully) and if you were i pray to god you don't remember it.

Had mine when I was 21, so I got experience sex before and after, and by god its better now. But then I did have mine lopped off for medical reasons.

what ever the medical reason was, im sure it had a negative impact on things of a sexual nature, and as time goes on it will become more numbed.

 

[LetalisK]

I do enjoy reading threads like this. It makes me so happy that I live in a society that we can have such heated and melodramatic arguments about things that are ultimately meaningless. Yay first-world problems.

Edit: No, I'm not being sarcastic

 

[Weentastic]

My circumcision has altered my quality of life absolutely none. Surely there are more important breaches of freedom going on in the world. On a side note, we fix cleft palettes with no consent from the child while they are still an infant. What if they wanted that hole in their mouth? (That was a joke.)

 

[Hugh Intactive]

It doesnt really matter I think. Its just a clipped dick.

* With a Gomco or Mogen Clamp it's sliced - and a Mogen may take more than just the foreskin, which has led to successful claims worth millions and the Mogen company going out of business.
* With a Plastibell or PrePex it's crushed and allowed to die.
* With an Accu-circ it's chopped.

But never "clipped".

 

[Rodrigo Girao]

To those who insist on that "uncut is gross, cut is cleaner and healthier" bullshit...

(warning: NSFW pic)

Spoiler

Which one looks healthier again?

 

[Hugh Intactive]

I have read that circumcised people tend to 'feel less'.

That makes no sense to me.
Removing the sheathing for the Glans-Penis shouldn't damage the glans' reception at all.

Our fingertips are the among the most sensitive parts of our body, yet constant usage and contact doesn't dull them short of permanent damage.

As with many "scientific" studies of this issue, you are ignoring the rôle (and the roll) of the foreskin itself. It has >20,000 specialised nerve endings - quite comparable to those of the fingertips - concentrated in a ridged band around the tip that are invariably lost to circumcision. The frenulum, which circumcised men call "the male G-spot" is just the last remnant of that band. As well as touch, they are sensitive to the stretch of the foreskin. There is some suggestion that the brain, waiting in vain for signals from those nerves, reconfigures to give greater significance to signals from nearby areas such as the glans and shaft, but in an unpredictible way.

 

[theultimateend]

I mean, I'm circumcised and i don't want to be, and i never will be able to undo what was done to me. Unless of course, that one Swedish scientist works magic with stem cells.

In the Penn & Teller Bullshit episode on circumcision (You should be able to find it online), they do actually show off a couple of guys who have managed to grow back their foreskin. (NSFW)

They did so by pulling on it daily. I believe it is accepted as a method that works, actually.
It has a wikipedia page, in fact.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreskin_restoration

Stretching your skin and regrowing the area are a bit different.

They basically did the ear lobe thing but with their penis and weights instead of ear lobes and gauges.

At any rate, it is an unfortunate practice but it does help solidify our place in the world. Since every nation is built on hypocritical actions, we just want to be part of the club.

I do enjoy reading threads like this. It makes me so happy that I live in a society that we can have such heated and melodramatic arguments about things that are ultimately meaningless. Yay first-world problems.

You are invariably leading a path towards death in a universe that will basically cease to be at some point in the future. Heat Death and Entropy unraveling everything we know as order.

Ultimately anything and everything is meaningless. So saying "Ultimately meaningless" is about as helpful as saying nothing at all.

Cognitive Dissonance is a serious issue that leads to most of the worlds ills. To act like any piece of CD is meaningless is an impressively ignorant and destructive thing.