Clarkson's done it AGAIN!!!
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Meh, I don't like Clarkson and his huge ego/aggronance. But regardless, I used to like his humour and its pretty clear he didn't meant to pee people off...
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Anyway...
Honestly? I friggin' hate Brand and Jonathan Ross has hugely gone down hill. And yeah, I listens to the recording on YouTube and found it stupid, insulting, and typical of Brand and Ross. But hey, I don't share the same opinion as you, hence I'm wrong.Qayin said:
I love how that article refers to prostitutes as "sex workers".
So I guess that makes just average bar sluts "eager volunteers to the sex industry".
So I guess that makes just average bar sluts "eager volunteers to the sex industry".
Personal taste aside, you don't see anything wrong with the fact that...I think it was 23...25000 complaints means that a total of over 13 million viewers/listeners get the finger?Doug said:
Over 6 million people downloaded the Brand podcast - 25000 is tiny in comparison, yet the mob rules over the majority. So, who's going to deal with the offense the 6 million have been caused, who don't have a weekly podcast? Hell, they're put out more than the people who read about Ross saying a naughty no-no in the Guardian.
Personal taste aside...using a form of media to broadcast slander/abuse (whether fair or not) is against the BBC's charter, and is grounds for immediate dismissal.Qayin said:
The intention was to to interview Sachs...The_root_of_all_evil said:
...Then Jonathon Ross blurted out aforementioned statement.
I would say it is grounds for immediate demands of apology - to Andrew Sachs - but the complainers can piss off. As if anyone was truly offended about something they didn't even hear, to a person they've never met, and have no ties to other than that he was in a popular comedy show.
But no, people should not lose their careers over a statement that they didn't blurt out in the first place.
In fact, all Brand did was apologise profusely, several times.
Unless you'd like to blame him for sleeping with someone's granddaughter? If my ancestor was in a dance group called the 'Satanic Sluts', I would not assume they were chaste.
What should have happened was that the line was never broadcasted, Ross should have had to apologise directly to Andrew Sachs, and it should have never gotten into the Guardian.
What actually happened is Brand - who did not actually make the comment himself - resigned, as did high-ups in the BBC, Andrew Sachs is harrassed outside his front door by the media, and the woman in question sells her story to the Sun.
Fantastic, gotta love the media.
Haha!Retoru said:
She engages in a profession you find repugnant so she's not worthy of basic human dignities like the right to sovereignty of body.
Hahaha, you're so clever.
Oh, I completely agree that the media are a bunch of publicity hungry vultures; but if this complaint hadn't gone ahead, no-one would have cared.
That's the problem...to get things done these days, you need an angry mob.
That's the problem...to get things done these days, you need an angry mob.
It's only a typical Clarkson off hand comment, it's not like he gave it much though or actually told an proper joke about it, like
He can't be expected to edit his witty comments and think "I better not say this, because in many months time, it may be broadcast at the same time as an anniversary of something linked to my comment".
Also slightly-off topic, but think the debacal with Russell Brand, Jonathan Ross & Andrew Sachs was blown out of proportion.
I think when people think of Andrew Sachs they think of Manuel in Fawlty Towers, so when they think of his granddaughter, they think of a very young girl, like he had his granddaughter 30 years ago, so it has connotations of paedophilia, but if you actually see any photos of her, especially in the "Satanic Sluts" then it's not so bad.
Also, isn't Top Gear pre-recorded? So if Clarkson's comment was deemed to be at bad taste during the anniversary of the murders, isn't that more the fault of the programme's producers & schedulers, rather than Clarkson?
He can't be expected to edit his witty comments and think "I better not say this, because in many months time, it may be broadcast at the same time as an anniversary of something linked to my comment".
Also slightly-off topic, but think the debacal with Russell Brand, Jonathan Ross & Andrew Sachs was blown out of proportion.
I think when people think of Andrew Sachs they think of Manuel in Fawlty Towers, so when they think of his granddaughter, they think of a very young girl, like he had his granddaughter 30 years ago, so it has connotations of paedophilia, but if you actually see any photos of her, especially in the "Satanic Sluts" then it's not so bad.
I don't find her profession repugnant, I dig prostitutes. I just don't see them as being important parts of society. When I spoke of prostitute rape I wasn't talking about beating the shit outta some whore and fucking her against her will, I was talking about the guys who get charged with rape because they refused to pay her after the deed was done. That's bullshit, it was theft of services.Imitation Saccharin said:
If she's not engaged in business with a guy and he takes her against her will, that's clearly rape. But, when she's on the job and he just refuses to pay after the fact, that's theft.
But, other than that caveat, I stand by everything else I posted. Street walking prostitutes are of absolutely no value to society and a few being murdered here and there doesn't bother me in the least bit. Why do you think so many serial killers prey on prostitutes? They're victims that nobody gives a shit about making it that much easier to get away with it.
Apologies.Retoru said:
I say again, violation of sovereignty of body. Consent for sex was only given provisionally.Retoru said:
The same could be applied to you. Society needs no one individually.Retoru said:
It's a rather slippery slope to walk on when you think you can consent sexual contact with someone and then revoke that consent after the fact. That's no different than my wife fucking me on the provision that I'll do the dishes later then crying rape if I don't do the dishes. Once consent is given it can't be revoked, if you consented to sex, even under a false pretense, you consented. It's not rape if both parties were willing participants in the sexual encounter as it was happening.Imitation Saccharin said:
I didn't say they deserved to die, just that most people don't give a shit if they die. Is a prostitute's life worth less than, say, a senator's life? No, life is still life. But, is a prostitute as valuable to society as the senator? Not by a long shot.fish food carl said:
Prostitutes, are, in general a drain on modern society. Not only do they ply an illegal trade, but they tend to also spread disease, give birth to children who will likely have no hope due to either growing up in such an environment or being born addicted to drugs, and drain tax payer resources by utilizing public assistance such as welfare checks, SSI checks, or food stamps.
So, yeah, I couldn't care less if some guy goes on a decades long murder spree and kills a few dozen prostitutes. Like I said before, there's a reason why so many killers prey on prostitutes...they are easy marks that nobody cares about. Even cops don't investigate the deaths of prostitutes that intensely, they have more important shit to worry about than some crackhead whore getting gutted in the red light district.
There's no way around it - a dozen prostitutes dying of cancer is better than one doctor, nurse or surgeon dying of cancer.
While I consider prostitution a means of gainful employment that many people enjoy, for me that puts it on the same level as, say, a McDonalds employee. If they died, society at large wouldn't be affected. Friends and family yeah, but no one else. If a surgeon, doctor or nurse died, the potential he had for making change in the world is lost too.
Retoru has said pretty much what I believe needs to be said other than the above.
While I consider prostitution a means of gainful employment that many people enjoy, for me that puts it on the same level as, say, a McDonalds employee. If they died, society at large wouldn't be affected. Friends and family yeah, but no one else. If a surgeon, doctor or nurse died, the potential he had for making change in the world is lost too.
Retoru has said pretty much what I believe needs to be said other than the above.
1. the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.Retoru said:
I would maintain it's the duress angle that alters the nature of the act. Of course I also maintian contract law should be to a certian extend situational, so *shrugs*
Fish food Carl - as a formerly homeless and unemployed person I can tell you that yes, indeed, there were plenty of alternatives. It's really not as difficult as people think.
There is plenty of support out there for people unable to find gainful employment by themselves, or who can't afford a roof over their heads. Prostitution is unnecessary.
I'm talking about Scotland, by the way, no idea how it works over in the US.
There is plenty of support out there for people unable to find gainful employment by themselves, or who can't afford a roof over their heads. Prostitution is unnecessary.
I'm talking about Scotland, by the way, no idea how it works over in the US.
Sure, they are still people, I'm not saying it's right to murder prostitutes. But, I'm not backing away from my stance that it's a crime that nobody gives a shit about. Murder is very rarely ever something that's the right thing to do, all life has value. But, there are certain portions of society that are just a drain on resources and when those portions are culled nobody worries about it or cares much.fish food carl said:
I bet it really chafes at a sanctity of all life guy such as yourself when drug pushers get killed. Not only do most people not care about that, they actually inwardly celebrate just a little bit because such a vile person was removed from the world.
How is it that you're failing to get this when I've said it in every single post. Do they deserve to die? NO! Do most people care that they died? Again, no. Not caring if someone lives or dies is not the same as saying the deserve to die.fish food carl said:
I don't think many people in the world deserve to die, but there are a great deal of people that I don't care as to whether they live or die. Prostitutes, drug pushers, etc. While I agree that they deserve the chance to live, I don't mind a bit if they die.
Clarkson is too funny and too much of an obviously presumptuous dick for anything he says to be taken offensively. Another case of something being blown out of proportion by the media in terms of sensitivity I think.