CliffyB: Microtransaction is Not a Dirty Word, EA is Not The Bad Guy

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Rachmaninov said:
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Star wars went F2P, now it's free up to level 10, then they bombbard you with "subcriber access only" until you wish to quit because you can't stand the restrictions anymore.
So basically, they want it to be a demo, instead of actual F2P?

EA: "Here, Player X, play our game for free!"
Player X: "Thanks. Wow, this is fun! I'm enjoying this!"
EA: "Good. Now that you're level ten, give us money!"
Player X: "But you said this game was free!"

Oh, EA.

Just writing out that scenario made me want to shake my head in disappointment that I, too, thought it was actually free. They've conned people into thinking it's free, when in truth, you pay, either by harassment or with money.
No it's actually Free 2 Play. We are talking about SW:TOR here right? Because you can play the entire leveling experience for free in that game. You have to pay to use multiplayer content for the most part, but you are allowed a certain number of dungeons per week, as well as warzones and space missions.
 

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Rattja said:
I wanna know, what happened to "the costumer is always right"?

Also.. EA.. Electronic Arts.. Hmm.. Exactly what kind of art is this?

At least they got the "challenge everything" slogan right.
You've never worked in retail, have you?
 

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daibakuha said:
Rattja said:
I wanna know, what happened to "the costumer is always right"?

Also.. EA.. Electronic Arts.. Hmm.. Exactly what kind of art is this?

At least they got the "challenge everything" slogan right.
You've never worked in retail, have you?
Nope, but I still deal with customers, and if I did not do what they wanted they would go somewhere else.
 

daibakuha

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Rattja said:
daibakuha said:
Rattja said:
I wanna know, what happened to "the costumer is always right"?

Also.. EA.. Electronic Arts.. Hmm.. Exactly what kind of art is this?

At least they got the "challenge everything" slogan right.
You've never worked in retail, have you?
Nope, but I still deal with customers, and if I did not do what they wanted they would go somewhere else.
My point is, the customer ISN'T always right, they are often times completely wrong.
 

Rattja

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daibakuha said:
Rattja said:
daibakuha said:
Rattja said:
I wanna know, what happened to "the costumer is always right"?

Also.. EA.. Electronic Arts.. Hmm.. Exactly what kind of art is this?

At least they got the "challenge everything" slogan right.
You've never worked in retail, have you?
Nope, but I still deal with customers, and if I did not do what they wanted they would go somewhere else.
My point is, the customer ISN'T always right, they are often times completely wrong.
It's not litteral, and I got your point, here is mine.
If a customer comes to me and says "I want the wiers in the cabinet to have these colours" It does not matter how wrong I think that is, that is what he wants, so that is what he gets.
As long as it does not conflict with the law, and is possible, it is my job to do what they think is right.
 

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I never did care for this guy or his style, and his picture there along with the points he's trying to make really don't help. It's two parts condescension and one part smirk, muddled with misinformation and poured into a filthy glass, and he expects me to take him seriously?

I had a better time imagining it was Borderland 2's 'Handsome Jack' reading me that over the radio. He seems like that kind of a guy.
 

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I think he's right in some aspects. There are things that EA has pulled off that are for more shady than just microtransaction stuff. Disk locked content, killing old studios like Westwood... but their DLC practices and stuff like online passes aren't nearly the evil shady business practices they're made out to be. Sure they're business practices that people have to pay money for but there's nothing immoral or shady about them.

Valve is held above EA for actual reasons of course, their community interaction is one of the best of all developers out there.

He's right though how many people who would rip on EA, flame and bash their games would also play TF2 and just ignore the microtransaction stuff not seeing it as a big deal. The DLC for EA games functions in the same way as Valve games.
 

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Awexsome said:
I think he's right in some aspects. There are things that EA has pulled off that are for more shady than just microtransaction stuff. Disk locked content, killing old studios like Westwood... but their DLC practices and stuff like online passes aren't nearly the evil shady business practices they're made out to be. Sure they're business practices that people have to pay money for but there's nothing immoral or shady about them.

Valve is held above EA for actual reasons of course, their community interaction is one of the best of all developers out there.

He's right though how many people who would rip on EA, flame and bash their games would also play TF2 and just ignore the microtransaction stuff not seeing it as a big deal. The DLC for EA games functions in the same way as Valve games.


Whoa, whoa, whoa. Functions may be similar, but they are not the same thing. People like Cliffy B love to spin the information around to make it seem like it's no big deal, when in fact it is. Though Valve does do micro-transactions, they have a history now of actions that have made their customers happy. EA has no such long history to even try the same thing. It's like comparing your Priest to a homeless man on the street. They are both asking for donations, but you know the history of the Priest so your happy to donate. You have very little to no history with the homeless man, so your skeptical about him.

Just because one company can do it doesn't mean that just any company can do the same. Now if EA made a f2p game with micro-transactions in them, that would make sense to buy them since the game survival is solely based on it. But putting them in an AAA game is like they are now charging you for what Cheat Codes used to do...and that is just sleazy.
 

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Negatempest said:
It's like comparing your Priest to a homeless man on the street. They are both asking for donations, but you know the history of the Priest so your happy to donate. You have very little to no history with the homeless man, so your skeptical about him.
Good example, although I'd liken EA more to a homeless ex-convict. I think even the people who don't know EA, will know that in general, people have a strong disliking for them for their previous behaviour.

But my version of your example would be maybe too polarizing, since it would be coloured by my own disgust with EA.
 

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How is Cliffy B. wrong on this one? I don't find EA to be the CAUSE, they're the SYMPTOM. The most important part, the part gamers as a whole seem to conveniently forget, is the last part; our money IS our voice, not a blog or a petition. You can't bring a bought EA game across the counter with one hand and flip them off with the other.

I think the video game industry (as a WHOLE) is falling prey to so many bad habits that we all need to buy fewer games, or have a real justification for the games we DO buy for a long, long time to come. I'm thinking of buying Journey because it's acclaimed, it's cheap and people I might actually respect are singing the praises of it. If it was also an EA product, I would choose to go without due to my principles. Are we all on the same page here? How many of us are doing this already? I hope it's a lot.
 

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PrototypeC said:
How is Cliffy B. wrong on this one? I don't find EA to be the CAUSE, they're the SYMPTOM. The most important part, the part gamers as a whole seem to conveniently forget, is the last part; our money IS our voice, not a blog or a petition. You can't bring a bought EA game across the counter with one hand and flip them off with the other.
This is a subject I've been discussing with people a lot recently.

Our money isn't our voice. Let me explain why;

Firstly, the "gaming community" - or, more specifically, the people who care enough about games to discuss them with other people, usually online - are the minority of video game purchases. The majority are people who buy games, but do not join the community. This creates a big problem, if you're trying to persuade people of the "gaming community" to boycott products they don't like, because even if the whole community unites, the impact is pretty insignificant. And that is if you could get the whole community to agree on anything, which is as impossible as herding cats.

Secondly, boycotting products doesn't send the right message. The publisher would never be able to glean the underlying message behind the boycott. The sole product of boycotting is fewer sales, and we have plenty of examples of how the large publishers like EA and Activision react to low sales, for example;

Activision gets incredible sales for Prototype 2, but less than they wanted. So what do they do? Well, they sack the majority of the developing studio, absorb the rest to work on their other projects, and then they cite Prototype 2's "failure to find a broad commercial audience" as the reason.

And this is not helpful to us, or the future of the industry. But this is the only reaction they've ever had, when a game sold less than they expected.

We could never uproot EA, through boycotts, because the only titles we'd be able to damage would be the "risky", unique, niche titles - the ones we least want to hurt - and cause EA to close the development studio, repurposing whatever staff they don't fire to work on their major titles. So EA would just go back to EA Sports, where our boycotts wouldn't make the slightest tickle of a difference, and they'd still be making enough money to buy more studios.

But how we can effect the industry is through complaining, whining and moaning in places like this. In this, the size of the community isn't such a drawback, because despite our small size, we can grab headlines [http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/03/21/did-the-real-mass-effect-3-ending-go-over-everyones-heads/], when we don't like something about a game.

And when gamers manage to complain so obnoxiously that they get headlines on Forbes, EA sit up and take notice. When we complain loud enough that we give EA bad press, we begin to have an effect on that otherwise unreachable majority, by damaging EA's PR.

This effect caused EA/BioWare to change Mass Effect 3's ending, it got Capcom to say it was done with Day One DLC, and it got EA to stop using SecuROM in all of its games. It has EA doing press release after press release about microtransactions, trying to justify them and half-apologizing, because they're worried that the complaints about microtransactions are going to hurt them. And apparently, judging by the article in the original post, CliffyB's worried about EA, too. This is by no means the full list of things the "gaming community" has changed by just complaining, but it's much longer than the list of "good things accomplished in video games by boycotting" because that list is empty.

The best thing we can do, is buy the games we want to buy, and then complain if someone like EA has messed them up. Complaints from someone who owns the game will be taken infinitely more seriously. If so many people hadn't bought Aliens: Colonial Marines then we'd have nowhere near the righteous furor we have now, and that rage extends beyond the gaming community, damaging Gearbox's PR even for people who have never been anywhere near a gaming forum in their lives.
 

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I'll say right off the bat: I'm not reading many other posts. I might just be repeating what's already said, but this EA crap is really pissing me off, so I'd like to just let this out of my system this once. Honest. I swear.

Origin is crap. It has been and will be. No, dispite what a person working for EA will say, origin will not become more popular, even though Steam did. That's because when Steam came out it was innovative, and when Origin came out it was a money grab because Steam became popular and EA wanted a hand in the pie.

Valve made a 100 dollar engagement ring as a joke, and offered a cute feature with it: everyone playing would immediately get a message about it. It's neat. More importantly, it's unnecessary. IT'S NOT CONTENT, AND IT'S BARELY EVEN A COSMETIC ITEM. They can get away with it, because it's really just a donate-to-TF2 device. Pure and simple. If you have a hundred dollars, and don't mind spending it on a videogame, Valve wouldn't mind spare funding. THEY'RE NOT HOLDING GODDAMNED GAME CONTENT BACK FOR THIS RETARDED SUM. What's even better is that they hold sales on it and all of their games! EA puts games on sale when they're becoming unpopular so they can get more revenue. Valve puts games on sale out the door, and on Wednesdays, and summers, winters, falls, and whenever Gabe sees a bluebird out his window, because they know more people buy cheaper games and they don't mind risking lower profits in exchange for more people buying the game.
 

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Rachmaninov said:
So, like I already said, if you're working on your magnus opus, you simply could not afford to have it taken from you. Imagine your favourite art form, your favourite artist... say perhaps a musician... suddenly being legally unable to play whatever their main, signature instrument is. It's not as simple as just shrugging and saying "Welp, onto the next instrument." like you seem to think it is. So if that musician, through no fault of their own, became the apparently disposable slave of EA (through whatever witchcraft you might like to imagine, play along) and EA could take their instrument away if the musician didn't do as they say... you damn well better believe that most, even those with this fabled "backbone" you talk about, would do as EA say. At least for a little while.
Your analogy is flawed. Many musicians have run into issues with their catalogues of work, the analogous element here. Prince, John Fogerty and Aerosmith all immediately jump to mind for various reasons. Nobody in this analogy is actually stopping them from playing their instrument(s) of choice. However, their music, their actual work, may well be.

Someone's magnum opus is not their instrument, but their art. Their art can be taken, it frequently is, and it's quite possible to move on. It is, by your own analogy (or, rather, the real-world version of it), quite possible to move on.

Although John Fogerty was once sued for sounding too much like John Fogerty. Even then, that didn't fly in the long run (reference: Fogerty v Fantasy).
 

Cid Silverwing

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CliffyB is in denial. Very, very big denial.

I hate people who are in denial that corporations can't be evil.
 

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Can I Just say what is their to hate EA for at least the microtrasnsactions actually do something Valve make hats for Tf2 which are purely cosmetic and cost around £10 which is stupid OK its from a first persons perspective so why buy hats for your chacter and whats with the whole £100 engagement ring bolox yea thanks Valve just what I wanted