It's just that simple. That or try not to spend so much money making a game where fishes move out of the way when you swing close to them, or dogs look so realistic you want to pet them. It's nice, but making something pretty isn't enough to keep people interested. A good story, multiple endings, various paths and choice, etc. Of course there's always making games cheaper so people don't sell them to buy a new one each time.
CliffyB Thinks Used Games Are Bad, Sony is "Playing Us"
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"You cannot have game and marketing budgets this high while also having used and rental games existing." Yup, so instead of the industry setting their goals and budgets to something reasonable, we'd rather trample your consumer rights and FORCE profitability no matter how moronically bloated, short sighted, and arrogant we become. Thanks Cliffy. You can kiss the smelliest part of my ass.
You can't turn something as big as this around in such a short time and you can't get away with having a slide that specifically says 'people can sell their used games' and then introduce used-game DRM. Sony were doing exactly what they did with the PS3 and then they were gifted by the sudden news that MS had decided to suicide.thepyrethatburns said:
Pretty sure they not trying to ease us, Sony just see that digital distribution will come naturally, which by itself eliminate most of the used market, no need to force user into it and alienate the customer who are more comfortable with physical distribution.thepyrethatburns said:
Kay, maybe the problem is with the gross overspending that happens with AAA titles? Not the consumer trying to get a better deal?
He would lash out at Sony. MS is the only reason he has the fame to say what he is saying now. Of course he would adopt MS's stance on used games. In the end, I understand his anger. The shelves of stores that sell used games are littered with all version of Gears of War.... The gamers have spoken. Also, he made games that can be completely handled in SP and MP with a week long rental. He is not the person to look towards is all I'm saying.
Dear Fiscal Cliff,
I played about 2 hours of Gears of War and was bored the entire time. What I did like was Knights of the Old Republic, which I purchased USED because by the time I tried it out it was no longer on shelves. Guess what? I loved it so much I purchased KotOR II brand new. Which in turn led to:
(All new, none used)
Mass Effect (twice)
Dragon Age Origins
Dragon Age Origins Awakenings
Mass Effect 2 (twice)
Mass Effect 3
Used game sales can in reality, lead to new game purchases--because that's what I fucking did. Apologies that I refuse to support the crap shooters that are released, invariably, every year.
I played about 2 hours of Gears of War and was bored the entire time. What I did like was Knights of the Old Republic, which I purchased USED because by the time I tried it out it was no longer on shelves. Guess what? I loved it so much I purchased KotOR II brand new. Which in turn led to:
(All new, none used)
Mass Effect (twice)
Dragon Age Origins
Dragon Age Origins Awakenings
Mass Effect 2 (twice)
Mass Effect 3
Used game sales can in reality, lead to new game purchases--because that's what I fucking did. Apologies that I refuse to support the crap shooters that are released, invariably, every year.
I like that his natural conclusion is that used media is the problem, not bloated game and marketing budgets.Steven Bogos said:
Those numbers don't work anyway, Cliff.
Look, I like Cliffy. He was a Nintendo fan, like me (though he never returned the favor and made a Nintendo game... like me. Yet).
Still, he's HARDLY a business major. Secondly, overblown budgets are YOUR problem, not the problem of used games. Third, he built a career out of a partnership with Microsoft.... so, er, a little bias there, maybe?
Still, he's HARDLY a business major. Secondly, overblown budgets are YOUR problem, not the problem of used games. Third, he built a career out of a partnership with Microsoft.... so, er, a little bias there, maybe?
For the car example: Who is responsible for the gas, maintenance, and other necessities to keep the car running once it has left the lot? The TV manufacture is not responsible for the cable bill or other things to view on the TV. Why is the game publisher responsible for the service costs of the game?Armistice said:
no, they didnt change their tune. Like, at all, wtf are you talking about?thepyrethatburns said:
Your analogy only works for games with online. And for that, there is a little thing called online pass.Baldr said:
Personally, I've disliked the man since the Unreal Tournament days. Notably, for making some of the worst maps in those games.Chester Rabbit said:
Since then, he's done nothing to change my view of him. In fact, as time goes on, he sours it further.
So, yeah. Like you, I too will be adding this little tid-bit of news to my ever-growing pile of evidence for when someone asks why I dislike CliffyB.
my stance is, if a game can't be purchased used on the consoles, I'm not going to buy it.
I buy new games when something comes out that I know I'll love and I either don't want to wait for the prices to drop to the bottom (5 dollars is not enough incentive for me to buy used, when I buy used they're typically 20 dollar 5 year old games).
If a console game is going to lock itself to my console then I don't want it, new, or used. I'll just buy something else. Or nothing. I'm not such a wanker that I NEED MY VIDYA GAMES WAHUUUUUU.
No. If a publisher chooses to shut out the used market for their title on PS4, then I just won't buy that game. If it turns out he's right and Sony's "playing us" and straight lying, then I won't be buying a PS4. I'm freaking 28 years old, you can't just pull this shit anymore.
Nintendo seems to get it, and even if I just get a WiiU, and somehow between Microsoft and Sony they absolutely destroy the used game market, I'll go back to nintendo as my primary system, even if I do have to buy everything new. I'm not buying new from Microsoft or Sony just because of their bullshit marketting tactics. I'll buy new from Nintendo if I must buy new. Or I just won't.
I'll collect 360 games until I have every 360 game I could concievably want to play, and then I'll just call that a fucking day. I'm sick of this garbage.
oh, and cliffy.. bought all 3 gears new. jussayn. gears 3 was an impulse purchase at best buy when I was buying my laptop, and I liked it so much I bought the other 2. Not buying Judgement though. Maybe when its 20 dollars used
I buy new games when something comes out that I know I'll love and I either don't want to wait for the prices to drop to the bottom (5 dollars is not enough incentive for me to buy used, when I buy used they're typically 20 dollar 5 year old games).
If a console game is going to lock itself to my console then I don't want it, new, or used. I'll just buy something else. Or nothing. I'm not such a wanker that I NEED MY VIDYA GAMES WAHUUUUUU.
No. If a publisher chooses to shut out the used market for their title on PS4, then I just won't buy that game. If it turns out he's right and Sony's "playing us" and straight lying, then I won't be buying a PS4. I'm freaking 28 years old, you can't just pull this shit anymore.
Nintendo seems to get it, and even if I just get a WiiU, and somehow between Microsoft and Sony they absolutely destroy the used game market, I'll go back to nintendo as my primary system, even if I do have to buy everything new. I'm not buying new from Microsoft or Sony just because of their bullshit marketting tactics. I'll buy new from Nintendo if I must buy new. Or I just won't.
I'll collect 360 games until I have every 360 game I could concievably want to play, and then I'll just call that a fucking day. I'm sick of this garbage.
oh, and cliffy.. bought all 3 gears new. jussayn. gears 3 was an impulse purchase at best buy when I was buying my laptop, and I liked it so much I bought the other 2. Not buying Judgement though. Maybe when its 20 dollars used
So ridiculously bloated budgets are now somehow our problem?
This is exactly why the games industry is on the verge of crashing.
How about getting the budgets under control if the whole model isn't sustainable, what with games being resounding failures if they don't sell 4 million copies and such.
This is exactly why the games industry is on the verge of crashing.
How about getting the budgets under control if the whole model isn't sustainable, what with games being resounding failures if they don't sell 4 million copies and such.
This coming from the guy with the small dick complex.
"The visual fidelity and feature sets we expect from games now come with sky high costs,"
No. The visual fidelity and feature sets YOU expect. I couldn't give two shits about visual fidelity. Besides bloated budgets and what not are YOUR problem, not the problem of used games or piracy or any other damn thing.
"The visual fidelity and feature sets we expect from games now come with sky high costs,"
No. The visual fidelity and feature sets YOU expect. I couldn't give two shits about visual fidelity. Besides bloated budgets and what not are YOUR problem, not the problem of used games or piracy or any other damn thing.
Cliff, heres an idea, free of charge:
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Actually, you know what? that'll be $5...
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dont spend so much fucking money!!!
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