Comicbook controversy

[Antwerp Caveman]

Ok, so there's a lot to talk about around comicbooks lately.
- A black guy in Thor (no one remembers Michael Clarke Duncan as the Kingpin in Daredevil)
- Superman renounces US citizenship

Or just mainstream comicbooks that think waay far outside the box
- Kickass, young children fighting bad-ass criminals.

Are comicbooks trying to get some of the attention back from videogames through controversy?
The medium was the previous scapegoat, with the Comics Code Authority (CCA) being started by the US government to censor all. Before comicbooks it was movies, but they get far more license now because they are considered more like art, and because violence, sexuality and other controversial subjects can really be shown in an abstract.

This could distract media from games for a while, but would it have any (adverse) effect on the comicbookindustry as we know it today?

 

[Thaluikhain]

Eh, any medium must change and adapt, and this is always liekly to involve pushing boundaries and upsetting people.

 

[GiantRaven]

This could distract media from games for a while, but would it have any (adverse) effect on the comicbookindustry as we know it today?

The comic book industry is an poor enough situation situation anyway so I don't think it really matters.

- A black guy in Thor (no one remembers Michael Clarke Duncan as the Kingpin in Daredevil)

That's not really a comic book issue. It shouldn't even be a controversy anyway. Same with Superman as well, really.

 

[Antwerp Caveman]

This could distract media from games for a while, but would it have any (adverse) effect on the comicbookindustry as we know it today?

The comic book industry is an poor enough situation situation anyway so I don't think it really matters.

- A black guy in Thor (no one remembers Michael Clarke Duncan as the Kingpin in Daredevil)

That's not really a comic book issue. It shouldn't even be a controversy anyway. Same with Superman as well, really.

What do you mean, poor situation, Disney paid $4.5 Billion for Marvel last year. Comics are still flying like hotcakes.

On your second point, it's a Marvel issue about comicbook sourcematerial, therefore it's ok to call it a comicbook issue. These movies are designed to sell comics and merchandise as well.

 

[bdcjacko]

I had no problem with Michael Clarke Duncan as Kingpin. He played Kingpin too a t. He had the right look and manner. The only thing was in the comics Kingpin is white, in the movie he was black, but it still made prefect sense for him to be black, race is not an issue there. and if marvel wants to change an original character they made from white to black, awesome. That is equality at work.

Thor on the other hand it rooted in Nordic mythology. It isn't their call to change a white god (who is known as the White God) to black. But I still want to see the movie and it won't ruin it for me.

 

[GiantRaven]

What do you mean, poor situation, Disney paid $4.5 Billion for Marvel last year. Comics are still flying like hotcakes.

Disney paid that for the money for the right to licence the Marvel characters. Do you have any idea how much comics sell? It's a great achievement these days if a single comic so much as reaches 100,000 units sold. That doesn't happen particularly often and sales are constantly dropping.

To think that Disney paid $4.5 Billion for a slice of the money that Marvel makes off their comics is ridiculous.

On your second point, it's a Marvel issue about comicbook sourcematerial, therefore it's ok to call it a comicbook issue. These movies are designed to sell comics and merchandise as well.

The movies are designed to sell the comics? Nah. Sales (of the single issues at least) won't go up because of a movie. Some of the more famous trade paperbacks might see a few extra sales though.

 

[Antwerp Caveman]

What do you mean, poor situation, Disney paid $4.5 Billion for Marvel last year. Comics are still flying like hotcakes.

Disney paid that for the money for the right to licence the Marvel characters. Do you have any idea how much comics sell? It's a great achievement these days if a single comic so much as reaches 100,000 units sold. That doesn't happen particularly often and sales are constantly dropping.

To think that Disney paid $4.5 Billion for a slice of the money that Marvel makes off their comics is ridiculous.

Well, Disney accountants and businesspeople didn't think it was ridiculous.

On your second point, it's a Marvel issue about comicbook sourcematerial, therefore it's ok to call it a comicbook issue. These movies are designed to sell comics and merchandise as well.

The movies are designed to sell the comics? Nah. Sales (of the single issues at least) won't go up because of a movie. Some of the more famous trade paperbacks might see a few extra sales though.[/quote]

The movies really bring in new crowds, not everyone will be a die-hard comicbookfan, but it ranges from lunchboxes to Halloweencostumes.
The tv show The Big Bang Theory constantly has superhero jokes that the mainstreamaudience only knows from the movies, they don't read the comics. The industry is SO big.

 

[GiantRaven]

Well, Disney accountants and businesspeople didn't think it was ridiculous.

Did you miss the part about licencing characters? Disney wants the money from that, not the money made from the comics.

 

[Antwerp Caveman]

Well, Disney accountants and businesspeople didn't think it was ridiculous.

Did you miss the part about licencing characters? Disney wants the money from that, not the money made from the comics.

Maybe, yes. Did they tell you that? I think they looked at the whole picture.

 

[Kolby Jack]

I know Comic-Con has become much less about comics and more about any kind of popular media, but I'm pretty sure comics themselves are still doing okay. Now, NEWSPAPER comics, oh man, are they in trouble.

 

[boag]

Ok, so there's a lot to talk about around comicbooks lately.
- A black guy in Thor (no one remembers Michael Clarke Duncan as the Kingpin in Daredevil)
- Superman renounces US citizenship

Or just mainstream comicbooks that think waay far outside the box
- Kickass, young children fighting bad-ass criminals.

Are comicbooks trying to get some of the attention back from videogames through controversy?
The medium was the previous scapegoat, with the Comics Code Authority (CCA) being started by the US government to censor all. Before comicbooks it was movies, but they get far more license now because they are considered more like art, and because violence, sexuality and other controversial subjects can really be shown in an abstract.

This could distract media from games for a while, but would it have any (adverse) effect on the comicbookindustry as we know it today?

No, Its just a whole of people making a big fuzz about nothing.

Im pretty sure more than half the people complaining have either never picked up a comic book ever, or havent read on in more than 20 years.

The Superman deal was hyper politicized, when it was a short story dealing with Super Mans beliefs.

And the people having a fit over Heimdall are just racists because there are a lot of other issues they should be complaining about before the skin color of a character.

 

[Antwerp Caveman]

Ok, so there's a lot to talk about around comicbooks lately.
- A black guy in Thor (no one remembers Michael Clarke Duncan as the Kingpin in Daredevil)
- Superman renounces US citizenship

Or just mainstream comicbooks that think waay far outside the box
- Kickass, young children fighting bad-ass criminals.

Are comicbooks trying to get some of the attention back from videogames through controversy?
The medium was the previous scapegoat, with the Comics Code Authority (CCA) being started by the US government to censor all. Before comicbooks it was movies, but they get far more license now because they are considered more like art, and because violence, sexuality and other controversial subjects can really be shown in an abstract.

This could distract media from games for a while, but would it have any (adverse) effect on the comicbookindustry as we know it today?

No, Its just a whole of people making a big fuzz about nothing.

Im pretty sure more than half the people complaining have either never picked up a comic book ever, or havent read on in more than 20 years.

The Superman deal was hyper politicized, when it was a short story dealing with Super Mans beliefs.

And the people having a fit over Heimdall are just racists because there are a lot of other issues they should be complaining about before the skin color of a character.

Don't know about racists, could be they're mythology purists. Not sure, don't wanna know.

Ask if they're republicans and then look at:
"Not all republicans are racists, but if you're a racist, you're probably a republican" - Bill Maher

But my bigger question is, in games, controversies like these equal big salesnumbers. Think the Comiclabels are trying for the same thing?

PS. I guess Idris Elba was way better than Antonio Banderas though.

 

[boag]

Don't know about racists, could be they're mythology purists. Not sure, don't wanna know.

Ask if they're republicans and then look at:
"Not all republicans are racists, but if you're a racist, you're probably a republican" - Bill Maher

But my bigger question is, in games, controversies like these equal big salesnumbers. Think the Comiclabels are trying for the same thing?

PS. I guess Idris Elba was way better than Antonio Banderas though.

Well the Mythology Purists would throw a fit first about Odin not trading in his Eye for Wisdom, Thor not having his magic chariot pulled by Goats.

No Magic Belt of Strengh or Gaunglets to hold Mjolnir, along with a lot of things that differ between the Marvel Thor and the Nordic Myth.

As for the Comics, I dont think it makes that much of a difference, the Obama Comics never sold that well when he won the Election, and supposed Controversy would never had made it into the news if Elections werent so close.