Commentary on "A Golden Crown"

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Greg Tito

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Commentary on "A Golden Crown"

The best part of the series are the minor characters.

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JasonBurnout16

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A Golden Crown - Best bit so far. And we got rid of that tit.

Also thinks Tyrions a great character - haven't read the book, but I hope he lasts a long, long time.
 

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i would of liked to see the strategy that Bronn put into fighting in the trial and lysa overly pushy attitude getting him killed. i think everyone weve seen so far has been using splint mail rather that plate or chain mail
 

Mathak

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To hell with season 2, we need a spinoff series featuring just Bronn and Tyrion. They were awesome in the books, but the series just cranks it up to 11.

 

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Talking about minor characters I'm noticing a lack of Jeyne Poole, Sansa and her were together a lot in the book right? but so far in the show I think we see her once, during the dinner back at Winterfell?

I also would have liked more screen time for the hand's tourney.
 

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HankMan said:
Um what was that whole "You fight without honor" thing about? I mean Bronn was standing there waiting for Lady Arryn to end the fight and she didn't say a dam thing. And he even stood as Tyrion's champion (granted it was a given that he wouldn't go unrewarded for his efforts) but he's still got more honor than anyone in Eyrie. (excluding the members of the Stark house of course)
Running around, throwing chandeliers and bystanders at your opponent is generally not regarded as a valid tactic in an honourable duel between True Knights (tm). Bronn, being a sellsword, doesn't actually give a damn about that sort of thing of course, but still.
 

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HankMan said:
Um what was that whole "You fight without honor" thing about? I mean Bronn was standing there waiting for Lady Arryn to end the fight and she didn't say a dam thing. And he even stood as Tyrion's champion (granted it was a given that he wouldn't go unrewarded for his efforts) but he's still got more honor than anyone in Eyrie. (excluding the members of the Stark house of course)
In lady Arryn's mind, Bronn was using underhanded tactics. Running away from the heavier, slower, more protected fighter. Jumping over furniture, knocking down lightstands, throwing bystanders in the way. All methods of tiring out the armored knight and then surgically striking the weak areas of the armor.

In Lady Arryn's mind, the only honorable method of fighting is probably just to hammer at each other with sword and shield. The knight's dance as described by Syrio. Bronn wouldn't have any of that and chose a more effective tactic.

Also, Lady Arryn is fucking crazy, so her opinion on honor is skewed.
 

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HankMan said:
Also it's really starting to bug me the way they portray Khal Drogo. The more I see of Tyrion owning every shot he's in, the more I'm aware that they're leaving Drogo so one dimensional. I haven't even read the books and it feels like there's something missing.
Must resist spoiling ...

Suffice to say that Khal Drogo is pretty one-dimensional and the drama of the story there is preserved in the show fairly well.
 

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HankMan said:
I mean Bronn was standing there waiting for Lady Arryn to end the fight and she didn't say a dam thing.
In addition to what was already said above RE: knight fights, I'm pretty sure his pause at the end was more of a taunt than a "want him to yield?"
 

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When Khal Drogo poured the gold on ...that guy with a funny name (you know who I mean)'s head...
that was one of the most awesome and horrible things I've ever seen on TV. It was just epic.
Khal was just like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WWloVLRt24&feature=related.

I love this series, and am desperately wrestling with myself not to read the books as it will spoil it :/
 

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I enjoy the series so far but for me I think it would better if there was pov character narration during some of these scenes.

For example in this episode, during the trial by combat scene Catelyn Stark has some extremely revealing insights about the fight.

The way it is present in the show it just makes Ser Vardis Egen look incompetent when that wasn't case.

Also when Tyrion first called for a champion, in the book this is where we first learn that Tyrion really hates being laughed at, but that's missing from the show just like all the other character narrated insights.

For anyone thinking about reading the books. Don't, get the audio book read by Roy Dotrice instead it's absolutely fantastic and much more enjoyable than the eyestrain that would come from reading the novel.
 

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Lex Darko said:
I enjoy the series so far but for me I think it would better if there was pov character narration during some of these scenes.

For example in this episode, during the trial by combat scene Catelyn Stark has some extremely revealing insights about the fight.

The way it is present in the show it just makes Ser Vardis Egen look incompetent when that wasn't case.

Also when Tyrion first called for a champion, in the book this is where we first learn that Tyrion really hates being laughed at, but that's missing from the show just like all the other character narrated insights.

For anyone thinking about reading the books. Don't, get the audio book read by Roy Dotrice instead it's absolutely fantastic and much more enjoyable than the eyestrain that would come from reading the novel.
But reading is "fun"damental. :)

I agree about the narration parts. I knew what was going on because I had read the books, but a newcomer could easily miss those elements. Of course I think any narration added at this point, would detract from the style already implemented
 

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Lex Darko said:
I enjoy the series so far but for me I think it would better if there was pov character narration during some of these scenes.

For example in this episode, during the trial by combat scene Catelyn Stark has some extremely revealing insights about the fight.

The way it is present in the show it just makes Ser Vardis Egen look incompetent when that wasn't case.

Also when Tyrion first called for a champion, in the book this is where we first learn that Tyrion really hates being laughed at, but that's missing from the show just like all the other character narrated insights.

For anyone thinking about reading the books. Don't, get the audio book read by Roy Dotrice instead it's absolutely fantastic and much more enjoyable than the eyestrain that would come from reading the novel.
Except if they did it like the book, you'd have a bunch of internal monologues from various characters, which doesn't work nearly as well for tv/movies as it does in novels (different mediums, different ways of telling a story). See the Dune movie for an example of how annoying that can get.
 

Errahtik

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An awesome recap, but I would have mentioned that the spoilers given would not be limited to the episode. I can't unread those last few sentences now.
 

El_Ganso

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I second the need for introducing more characters of the Brotherhood, I was so looking forward for a bald monk dressed in red swinging around a flaming sword :(

Also, where the hell is all the Jon Snow I asked for last week? sigh

Anyway, aren't we still missing a scene where Ned tells Cersei "I know who the father of your children is"?

Oh and the shrug Bronn made when he volunteered to be champion was priceless :D
 

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Anyone else wondering when the filler is gonna start coming in? I mean if they pick this up ala True Blood, then GRRM only has 5 years to get out the 6th book, and then book 7 would have to come out right after. Considering the 11 years it took for books 4, and soon 5, I don't see that happening. That's of course assuming GRRM doesn't pull a Jordan on us. With his stance on fan fiction, I would find it ironic if someone else had to finish the series.
 

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rickthetrick said:
Anyone else wondering when the filler is gonna start coming in? I mean if they pick this up ala True Blood, then GRRM only has 5 years to get out the 6th book, and then book 7 would have to come out right after. Considering the 11 years it took for books 4, and soon 5, I don't see that happening. That's of course assuming GRRM doesn't pull a Jordan on us. With his stance on fan fiction, I would find it ironic if someone else had to finish the series.
Nahh he said that this one was just messed up, and that the last two would be coming out a lot quicker.

OT: I really enjoyed that one, however was disappointed at the lack of Jon. Ah, well, you can't fit every character in the episode.

Also crowning with gold was eevveennn better than I imagined it to be.
 

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The Diabolical Biz said:
rickthetrick said:
Anyone else wondering when the filler is gonna start coming in? I mean if they pick this up ala True Blood, then GRRM only has 5 years to get out the 6th book, and then book 7 would have to come out right after. Considering the 11 years it took for books 4, and soon 5, I don't see that happening. That's of course assuming GRRM doesn't pull a Jordan on us. With his stance on fan fiction, I would find it ironic if someone else had to finish the series.
Nahh he said that this one was just messed up, and that the last two would be coming out a lot quicker.

OT: I really enjoyed that one, however was disappointed at the lack of Jon. Ah, well, you can't fit every character in the episode.

Also crowning with gold was eevveennn better than I imagined it to be.
So I read into that, that he's being paid more to finish faster. Lol all kidding aside, this show is great, and I'm loving it so far.It will be interesting to see how the more mystical elements are implemented.
 

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Well, I have to disagree this time around. I found that the scenes with Tyrion (who is by far my favorite character in the HBO production) and Mord didn't work well. Mord did as much, or more, cringing then Tyrion did. Every time Mord approached Tyrion he did so with so much timidity, that he comes across as cowardly. So much so that I could not envision Mord being in charge of any prisoner who could possibly be a physical threat. He gave the impression that he could barely handle Tyrion.

Mord is supposed to be a brutish lout, who enjoys taunting and abusing the Eyrie's prisoners. But in this episode he comes across more as a mean spirited little boy - in fact, you could have played out both scenes with Robert Arryn (Lysa's sickly son) and not change a single thing up to the point where the bribery occurs.

And lastly, in the first scene they took away Tyrion's greatest asset - his intelligence. When Mord comes into the room, Tyrion retreats to a SKYWARD corner. I know they did it to show the dire nature of the skycells, but that was just as easily done in the scene where Tyrion almost rolls out of the cell in his sleep. Tyrion certainly could have retreated to the landward corner across from the door.