Concerning Dante's Inferno

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Gladion

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Okay, the reason this post has grown so much is because I need to describe my experience exactly to make my point reasonable. Basically its: Dante's Inferno is God of War in disguise. See, doesn't sound credible - let me explain (I promise the text isn't too boring):

So, today (more like tonight) I played the Dante's Inferno demo together with my friend. We just downloaded it, started playing and my friend was like "Well, I think I heard about this game - what is this?". I didn't want to explain a gazillion things, so I just said "God of War clone".

What I didn't know was how right I had been.

We started playing, and it turned out to be a hack 'n slash game - what a surprise - and a pretty good one, too. Then the first boss came along, still, we weren't too suspicious. A cutscene with blood and titties, shown through still images? Fair enough, God of War never patented these three attributes and, frankly, they are used in gaming in general from time to time. I'm sure you can think of at least two examples right now, plus God of War.

Then the game told me I could grab enemies and massacre them. A cool feature, I like doing that from time to time. Always loved to do this in God of War to release some tension. It also provides you with experience points you can spend on upgrades. We're talking true originality and innovation here, kids.

Then Dante went a small pathway to a church. Camerawork and Dante's running animations are 100% identical to God of War's respectively Kratos'. I want to address something here: I'm not TRYING to see similarities. I play Left 4 Dead (2) on a regular basis and I'm usually inured to similarities. So think about how exactly the same this has to be to remind me of a game I last played about two years ago. My friend and I started smirking. I mean, stuff like this is pretty harmless - why make something shitty when you can copy it perfectly? I'm cool with that.

Inside the church, Dante started shooting cross-shaped lightning out of his crucifix at flying demons I would call resembling the hydras from God of War. In fact, even the animation is identical, as well as the move Dante does when grabbing one of these beasts in mid-air (even though he uses a scythe as apposed to Kratos' chains). Okay guys, now you're realling pushing it.

As Dante progressed, he came to a spot where he had to kill many minions very quickly, as a gigantic drum threatened to squash him. I already mentioned I am not trying to find similarities.

After that short intermezzo, Dante entered a room where Minotaurs spawned. Okay, they were not exactly Minotaurs, they were more like two-legged goats, but fighting like them exactly felt like fighting against Minotaurs in God of War, as they were the exact same size and were fought the exact same way. As I finished them (oh yeah, I forgot to mention the quick-time events, but everyone does those now, so I'm not going to pick on that), I halfway expected Dante to jump onto the goat's belly and ram his scythe into its mouth.

After having killed all the demons here, a giant monster broke through the wall - rode by a small monster who controlled it. This was the same time the camera zoomed out so far (due to the monster's size), Dante started even looking like Kratos, with his white armor and the red ornaments on it, doing the exact same attacks Kratos does, only with another weapon. My friend and I had to pause the game because it was impossible to play due to our laughter. You also don't kill the giant monster, you just kill the small one riding it and take over its place. Then you can control the big monster, right from the God of War 3 demo. Incredible, we laughed tears. Killed a few monsters (which controlled clumsily and was a little boring, to be honest), then the demo was over.

If you read this much - thank you for doing so. My point now isn't to bash the game Dante's Inferno because it's "so much ripping off God of War" or anything (quite frankly, God of War is a Devil May Cry ripoff, but perfected the gameplay).
I want to congratulate the developers for having the balls not to even try to cover up their blatant rip-off. Also, they made a great game, the demo was huge fun, not only because it was so funnily ripping off GoW. They did a great job and I'd love to buy this game.
But I am afraid this might be the first case where I'm propagating piracy instead of buying the real thing. It'd just feel as if I bought something stolen from the black market. Just doesn't feel right to give EA money for work Sony did.

So, to everyone having played the demo as well - did you feel the same? To everyone who hasn't played the demo - don't call me stupid please ;) You haven't seen what I've seen.
 

Icecoldcynic

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Well perhaps it will be the kind of rip-off i like to refer to as the 'Saints Row' in which, it doesn't care that it's a rip-ff, and produces a fucking awesome game out of it.
 

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There's nothing wrong with copying a good game if you do it well.


What is insulting is if you copy a good game and make it a half asses shitty attempt.

I mean, Look at 2 Worlds trying to be the next Oblivion. THAT was insulting
 

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imahobbit4062 said:
Congrats! You explain in a wall of text, what everyone knows already.
It's a clone, but it's a good one.
I thought I said something else. Something like 'in a world where everything is based on plagiates, they at least don't even try to decieve us, and just deliver'.
Was that message so well hidden?

Besides, many letters =/= wall of text. :] If you think this is too much writing, you should consider reading books instead of just small messages on internet forums and chat rooms.

Edit: To clarify my point, since people keep telling me it's not wrong to copy:

I know that, and I'm not saying that. I'm saying it's a good thing they don't try to shit us and just concentrate on making the game fun instead of using that power to make us think this was something new. There is no irony behind this, I'm dead serious with that statement.
 

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I can't finish your wall of text. There is such a thing as explaining something TOO well, ya know.

But yes, we already knew this. The very second I saw gameplay of Dante's Inferno, I instantly knew and described it as "The 360's God of War" That's all it is, just a different mythology.
 

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Icecoldcynic said:
Well perhaps it will be the kind of rip-off i like to refer to as the 'Saints Row' in which, it doesn't care that it's a rip-ff, and produces a fucking awesome game out of it.
Well said. On the evidence presented here the game still sounds like it'll be good fun.
Who cares if it's a clone, as long as it's enjoyable to play?
 

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Man, I came on here to make the exact same thread, the only difference is you went in to much greater detail, and I think my titles a little punchier "David Jaffe's gonna sue!"
 

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Wilbot666 said:
Icecoldcynic said:
Well perhaps it will be the kind of rip-off i like to refer to as the 'Saints Row' in which, it doesn't care that it's a rip-ff, and produces a fucking awesome game out of it.
Well said. On the evidence presented here the game still sounds like it'll be good fun.
Who cares if it's a clone, as long as it's enjoyable to play?
Well, I need to come in here now and say: Is there even any right for this to exist, if it is that similar to another game which is at least equally as fun? As a PS3 owner, should I get this or God of War 3? I don't want to have the same game twice.
(Again, this statement only to bring a little discussion in here - this is not my personal view, just an objective one).



imahobbit4062 said:
It's a wall of text, I never said it was too much. I read plenty of books infact. If you're going to insult someone, atleast do a decent job of it.
Hey, I never tried to insult you, I was trying to give you a nice tip since I realized you registered 9 months after me (aka two months ago) and still managed to get more than twice as many posts as me.
But if you make such a big deal out of any little thing somebody says to you, I can see how you sum up this many posts.

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aimhellfire said:
Man, I came on here to make the exact same thread, the only difference is you went in to much greater detail, and I think my titles a little punchier "David Jaffe's gonna sue!"
Yeah, you beat me to that one.
 

Poomanchu745

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It is a clone but just look at Activision's business plan:
Step 1) make a game
Step 2) See if that game made a lot of money
Step 3) If it did make 15 sequels to that game

I mean GoW has made a shit ton of money and so EA figures if it makes another good hack n slash for all consoles it will make a lot of money. And you know what? Im pretty sure it will. People like playing basically the same thing with a little bit different content and new title.
 

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The difference between God of War and Dante's Inferno:

I enjoy playing Dante's Inferno.

Know why? It's the cross. Seriously. The ONE weapon/feature that makes the game ever-so-slightly different, that simple crowd control tool is all it takes for me to instantly prefer the clone to the original. It's a clone, and a really friggin' shameless clone at that, right down to the crazy stretchy weapon, the fixed camera, and the "use the right stick to dodge" thing, but it's got its tweaks here and there, and they're tweaks I quite enjoy.
 

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Gladion said:
Wilbot666 said:
Well said. On the evidence presented here the game still sounds like it'll be good fun.
Who cares if it's a clone, as long as it's enjoyable to play?
Well, I need to come in here now and say: Is there even any right for this to exist, if it is that similar to another game which is at least equally as fun? As a PS3 owner, should I get this or God of War 3? I don't want to have the same game twice.
(Again, this statement only to bring a little discussion in here - this is not my personal view, just an objective one).
I see what you're trying to say but (without trying to sound patronising because I'm really not) that's kind of like saying that Streets of Rage shouldn't exist because Double Dragon did it first.

The real question for me here I suppose is this: Can it actually be a clone of a game that hasn't out yet? Sure, it can take the best elements from the last GoW games but the two products can't truly hope to be that analagous can they?
On the other hand, those GoW3 trailers have been out for a while now....more than enough time for a smart developer to revamp certain game mechanics.

Now I'm not sure what to think....
 

RatRace123

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Hmm, I figured just as much. Fancy marketing tactics can't disguise your true colors, if thou be a clone, thine aura of originality be broken.
 

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imahobbit4062 said:
Congrats! You explain in a wall of text, what everyone knows already.
It's a clone, but it's a good one.
Ah, what a great post. It feels so good to know that there are still intelligent people on the forum boards.
 

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Don't matter... GoW is shit... what happens when you clone shit? You get more shit.

And that's just my opinion people, no need to get up in arms.
 

Gladion

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Thibaut said:
imahobbit4062 said:
Congrats! You explain in a wall of text, what everyone knows already.
It's a clone, but it's a good one.
Ah, what a great post. It feels so good to know that there are still intelligent people on the forum boards.
May I ask where the greatness, that needs so much intelligence, lies?

Wilbot666 said:
I see what you're trying to say but (without trying to sound patronising because I'm really not) that's kind of like saying that Streets of Rage shouldn't exist because Double Dragon did it first.
Again, I have nothing against similar games which are, unfairly, often labelled 'clones'. I like many of them and some even manage to surpass the original (Saint's Row is often named). But this time it was just the extreme blatant and bold ripping-off that I noticed.
You see: God of War can also be called a 'clone' of Devil May Cry - but at least God of War featured originality by taking the bare game design of Devil May Cry and approach it a different way. In Dante's Inferno, even the animation and attacks seem similar.


Wilbot666 said:
The real question for me here I suppose is this: Can it actually be a clone of a game that hasn't out yet? Sure, it can take the best elements from the last GoW games but the two products can't truly hope to be that analagous can they?
On the other hand, those GoW3 trailers have been out for a while now....more than enough time for a smart developer to revamp certain game mechanics.

Now I'm not sure what to think....
I think it can. Most of the stuff Sony made was planned years ago, they just need time to produce all this (and as you said, they even showed parts of it off). But nevermind now ;) as I said, I don't really care a lot, the game's fun and that's all you can ask for.


TPiddy said:
Don't matter... GoW is shit... what happens when you clone shit? You get more shit.

And that's just my opinion people, no need to get up in arms.
Heh, you're clever, getting out the 'just my opinion' card just in time - but you shouldn't be surprised at the fans for being angry with you if you call their favourite game shit. Seriously, what do you expect? This has nothing to do with opinion, you're just flat out picking a fight. :p
 

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Gladion said:
TPiddy said:
Don't matter... GoW is shit... what happens when you clone shit? You get more shit.

And that's just my opinion people, no need to get up in arms.
Heh, you're clever, getting out the 'just my opinion' card just in time - but you shouldn't be surprised at the fans for being angry with you if you call their favourite game shit. Seriously, what do you expect? This has nothing to do with opinion, you're just flat out picking a fight. :p
Yeah, I will admit I was feeling pretty ornery when I wrote that. But honestly, I don't see the appeal of GoW... they took all of the difficulty out of epic boss fights of the old school games and turned it into QTE's. It's also largely inane repetitive violence that just reminds me of when Mortal Kombat tried the "career mode".

So when I heard that Dante's Inferno was a GoW rip-off it made it all that easier to cross it off my list.
 

Julianking93

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So?

Yes, it plays almost exactly like God of War, but GoW is fucking awesome and just because its a clone of it doesn't make it bad.

So far, I'm liking the look of Dante's Inferno more than GoW 3.
 

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Well, that whole essay was entirely predictable.

Regardless, I don't really care if it's a clone. Dante's Inferno Art Direction > God of War Art Direction. They have a hell of a lot more(See what I did there oh I'm so original and funny) ideas to play around with when it comes to the Nine Circles than they have to play around with in Kratos' setting.