Congresswoman Defends Violent Videogames

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Dense_Electric said:
She had me up until she started on gun laws.
I'm a cynic who has politically-active friends in California. I assumed she was doing it specifically to bring up gun laws from the get-go.

Pro-gun needs a different scapegoat, so blames games.

Anti-gun wants to scapegoat guns, so supports games simply to pull pro-gun's scapegoat out from under it.

In the painfully black-and-white us-vs-them mentality that is media-based politics, if you're pro-X you're anti-Y and vice versa. Today's X and Y are guns and games.
 

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Legion said:
Dense_Electric said:
She had me up until she started on gun laws. Games can provide inspiration for a crime as readily as guns can provide a means. Most of us would agree that that doesn't mean we should blame games when someone goes and shoots someone after playing GTA IV, so why would you blame the gun? Both are merely scapegoats to excuse a violent individual.

Furthermore, an assault weapons ban would be especially ludicrous. The VAST majority of gun crime (by which I mean between 99%-100%) is committed with non-assault weapons. Most of them are committed with semi-automatic pistols, most of the remainder with shotguns or bolt-action or semi-automatic rifles that don't qualify as assault weapons. Yet I don't hear anyone advocating that those should be banned. I believe I read a statistic somewhere that said something like fewer than 50 murders in which a firearm was used involved an assault weapon since the 1970's. This is the equivalent of advocating that Lamborghinis should be banned because people die in car accidents.
While I agree that statistically removing assault weapons is not going to change much considering how most killings are done with pistols, I do not agree that blaming guns is the same as blaming games, not entirely anyway.

Blaming games is saying that experiencing fantasy violence is akin to wanting to commit it in reality. Anybody with a brain can point out that millions of violent games are enjoyed worldwide and the percentage of those people who go onto kill is so small it's insignificant.

The same cannot be said for guns. Banning guns (which wouldn't work for countless reasons anyway) hypothetically has a more logical argument. Let's say for example, as impossible as it is, that all guns were completely wiped from the planet as well as all knowledge of how to create them. The death toll from murder would drop significantly. Not because guns cause violence, but because they make it so much easier to.

If one of those psycho's went into a school with a knife they'd still cause damage, and almost certainly some death's, but it's a lot easier for a group of people to tackle a single man with a knife than somebody with the ability to kill an entire room of people without moving from the spot.

People often reply to that argument with something along the lines of "They'd make a bomb instead", but the difference with that is that if they wanted to, they could do that anyway. Removing guns does not make creating explosives any easier, it just means less people getting shot.

Although like I said, banning guns would never work for some very obvious reasons. The most obvious one being that you'd simply be removing guns from the kind of person not likely to use them as a tool to murder. The kind of person who is willing to murder is not the kind of person who is going to hand over their gun to obey the law. So really a ban would just mean more criminals with guns, while law abider's do not have them.

People may respond to that in regards to other countries where they are illegal, but bear in mind that those countries don't have millions of them in homes through-out the country already. It's not a case of them being taken away, it's a case of them not having been there in the first place.
Some good points

The real problem is the punishments. Gun laws? how about offender laws? Leave a person in a room with a fully loaded .45 and they will still be alive the next day. The gun will not go crazy and attack at any point. Put someone in a room with a nut job and they will dead in a few minutes.

Know why other countries have lower gun crime rates? Because HAVING one on a crime makes it a capital offence and can get you executed in most of the countries OTHER than the USA. Want to lower gun crime rates? Start killing the people doing that.

Side note Japan has a lower Gun rate and higher knife rate because of cultural differences. They likee the stabbie.
 

Andy Shandy

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I'm just glad that there's an American politician on the gaming side of this for once.

So go Pelosi!

Also captcha, I get the point now, Black Mirror returns to Channel 4 on 11 Feb, I'm pretty sure I deserve some sort of prize for the amount of time I'm answered the variety of captchas about the bloody show.
 

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Why do people keep equating 'Better gun laws' to 'Ban all guns', it's not the case at all, better gun laws would only take guns away from idiots and nutjobs and make it harder for people to get guns beyond what they really need.

I really don't think anyone has a problem with sensible people having guns.
 

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This sounds like a trap. Someone alert the Admiral! She is using logic and common sense so there is no way she is a Republican, right? Maybe I just woke up in bizarro land this morning?
 

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sorry but i dont trust anything that comes from this womans mouth. Shes been lieing to people for years why should she stop now?
 

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Oh crap, an American politician with thier head on striaght.

Doubtful she will make it past the next election now that shes revealed that to the world now.
 

burningdragoon

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While it's nice to see a high level politician not be rabidly against video games, her argument against guns wasn't very strong. At least not as seen on this article, since I haven't read the Huffpo source. The fact this somehow became an either guns are bad or games are bad argument means I wouldn't be surprised if she was siding with games simply because it means siding against guns.
 

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CriticalMiss said:
This sounds like a trap. Someone alert the Admiral! She is using logic and common sense so there is no way she is a Republican, right? Maybe I just woke up in bizarro land this morning?
She's a Democrat, but there is still a chance that we're all in bizarro land right now.
 

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Orks da best said:
Everyone vote this woman! Now Now Now Now Now Now Now Now!
Thats an order!

She logic in a world of lies and half truths.
Wait are we talking about the same person who said let's pass Obama (really Romnie care) care to find out the details rather than spend a couple days reading.
 

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LoL, and the debate flops back again. It's video games! It's guns! It's videogames! It's guns! And here we have people applauding the flip flop of the whole situation.

burningdragoon said:
While it's nice to see a high level politician not be rabidly against video games, her argument against guns wasn't very strong. At least not as seen on this article, since I haven't read the Huffpo source. The fact this somehow became an either guns are bad or games are bad argument means I wouldn't be surprised if she was siding with games simply because it means siding against guns.
It's not worth reading the Huffington Post article. It's just not a good source of news, only agenda. People need to get off this whole scapegoating thing. This site of course would rather see guns blamed than video games, and anyone who has a vested interest in the gun industry (aka. your average republican) would rather see movies (Hollywood is run by liberals) and games (see side note about Hollywood) get the blame. All the while the central social issue is avoided by both parties.
 

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The problem here is that blaming gun laws is to make the issue less complicated than it is. I believe that some strict gun control could reduce gun violence over time, but the fact that people has guns is just a part of the problem.

Remove the guns and it will remove gun violence, but not the reason for the gun violence that is currently there. Make some changes in the educational system, make some changes in law enforcement, make some changes in prison conditions, make some changes in dealing and finding mental problems. Even this isn't a solution, there's more to be done and I am nowhere near smart enough to make more than guesses on how this could change.

Guns are the tools to make these tragedies happen, but they are not the cause. Politicians need to stop looking for one thing. Blame video games for changing us, but don't make that the only thing to blame. The answer is much more than a quick solution.
 

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In Japan, people aren't allowed to own guns but there is also a huge degree of social stigma in place for criminal behavior. If you kill someone, your other family members are at a risk of being fired from their jobs, merely due to being related to you. There's this thing called "shame" there, huge social pressure to be orderly and lawful.



The gun laws are half of the equation, the other half is a society that is built around massive SHAMING of lawbreakers, quite unlike the one of glorification of crime that we come across here.



In Japan, you can't have a public sector job if you have a tattoo, since Yakuza have tattoos and the mere appearance of criminality is unforgivable. There's even lots of public beaches with a tattoo ban for this same reason. Japan just really has zero tolerance for criminals in general.
 

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The only reason she is defending video games is so she can get back to anti-gun agenda. Once she is finished walking all over our second amendment rights she will get back to Limiting our freedom of speech. New anti-gun & violent video game
laws are never going to stop people with violent psychosis from killing people or hurting themselves. It is time we enforce current gun control laws and revamp our mental health system.
 

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Why do liberal politicians and organization representatives even bother going on Fox news? All that will result in is them getting chewed out with stupid.
 

Diegolomac

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Suck it Fox News! Hell yeah! I can only imagine the disappointment the interviewer had at that point.