Sylveria said:
Therumancer said:
I can't say I'm surprised actually, I think you guys are underestimating the whole "Arcade" culture as it stands now. Granted tweens and teens aren't heading to the malls to blow tons of quarters anymore, and it's not a social hub like it used to be, but Arcades DO exist in places like oh say... Casinos (like where I worked, which happen to be in Connecticut) where irresponsible parents like to dump their kids for hours upon hours at a time while they go and gamble (despite posted and live warnings to not leave kids unattended). A lot of what I say about child molestation and such comes specifically from having worked around places where kids are left unattended for long periods of time.
At any rate, most "violent" games wound up being voluntarily weeded out for security concerns, due to not having them giving creepy dudes less of an excuse for hanging out in locations largely inhabited by unattended children. Some 40 year old dood can't claim "Well, I'm here to play that game" and pop in the occasional quarter while waiting for oppertunities.
That said kids do want their action games, and things like "House Of The Dead", "Time Crisis", "Operation Terror" (which involved shooting digitized actors with a light gun... I think I have the name right), and others do periodically return, after all they are among the types of games that will get kids to beg for more money (and it is a business) and these kinds of games not only look fancy, but are one of the few types of games that arcades can still do better than home consoles.
Add to this that your dealing with a fairly major tourist area in SE Connecticut (Mystic Village/Seaport, Sailfest in the summer, etc...) in addition to the casinos, your dealing with a bunch of hotels and motels that all have their own arcades and game rooms where kids wind up being dumped for prolonged periods.
Now this guy is wrong about tying the games to violence, my simple point is that he's not quite as out of touch as those dissing him might want to think. There are far, far, more of these machines out there than people are considering, and they are also in places where kids tend to be left unattended... even if by definition kids should not be being dumped in arcades while the parents go off and do other things (it happens, constantly).
So your counterpoint to people claiming he's stupid is "This needs to be done because parents are irresponsible." Seems to me that we should be arresting and throwing fines at parents rather than blaming the device they use as a surrogate and depriving people of appropriate age and responsibility from having access to something.
No, my comment is simply that these games exist in greater numbers than people give them credit for. If you read what I said, I said the guy was an idiot, but the people acting like he's out of touch with reality because there aren't many arcade machines out there are being fools. I was responding more to them than to the article, which I believe this should make fairly clear... though since your not the only person who didn't quite get it, probably because of my penchant for tangents, it's my fault I guess.
At the end of the day I think the guy is wrong about video games, and even if he was right, censorship is wrong, and games causing violence would be the lesser evil to the free speech controls needed to make a differance. Ultimatly my opinion is that it's a non-issue because even if it could ever be proven that games were responsible for violent behavior (the opposite has actually been proven) the basic human right to free speech and expression should put this outside of the goverment purview to control or limit.
I do not agree with him, but I DO understand where he's coming from. It's not a situation where lightgun games or kids being left for hours upon hours in arcades is not common, contrary to some of what the responders here seem to think.
That said, in response to a response you received about parents "needing all the help they can get" my opinion after long experience is that social services needs to take a more firm hand with things. The places where the greatest amounts of child neglect take place, like say casinos, where I've seen kids abandoned on the concourse or at the arcade for 18 hours plus, or put inside a bathroom stall and told to lock the door and "not open it until mommy comes back", is where social services needs to be. The Casino itself isn't going to do anything because at the end of the day it only gives a F@ck so far as it can make money and it's reputation isn't going to be hurt, it doesn't want kids being raped in stairwells, but at the same time it wants the parents to come in and drop as much money as possible (with kids not being allowed on the gaming floor due to agreements with the state gaming comission). As a result they make a show out of posting what parents are supposed to do, but otherwise ignore the problem, and leave departments like Security to act as unofficial nannies/child bodyguards while at the same time telling us it isn't expressly our job... (uh huh). Of course half the problem where I worked was the State getting a cut of the gambling profits, so it really didn't give a crap either, when something bad happened it just meant a scapegoat and pretending to give a crap for 15 minutes until everyone forgot about it again.
IMO at the end of the day the best "help" for parents and the kids has nothing to do with video games or anything else (if anything I think the violence comes from the way kids are treated and neglected). I think one day social services should just drive a couple of school buses up to say Foxwoods or Mohegan Sun, load every unattended child they or security can find on board, and then wait and see how long it takes before any parents even notice the kids are gone. Truthfully I think sending a lot of kids to foster homes or orphanages is better than leaving them abandoned in places like this, and some are there pretty much every day.
Of course with the money involved I can't help but wonder if when it comes to violence in Connecticut in paticular, anyone will bother to wonder what role the casinos might have played in it. Some kid who spends 12 houra a day growing up on the Foxwoods concourse might just develop some psychological problems, combined with a healthy dose of paranoia, and abandonment issues.
Of course I'm rambling and going on tangents again.