Well, they're trying to argue that the device was designed not to work for ethnicities. There by being racist. Even though it was prooved to be a lighting issue and not something programmed into the machine, from racial hate.Tenmar said:
Consumer Reports Claims Kinect Is Not Racist
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1) before claiming dark-complexioned people will have issues, try leaving the basement and put some light in front of you
2) try a lighter person with a very bright light behind the camera, you should see the same
3) most camera's of this kind have this problem
4) this is a motion capture device, i dont really care anymore since i bought a wii that hasn't been on since a month after purchase
2) try a lighter person with a very bright light behind the camera, you should see the same
3) most camera's of this kind have this problem
4) this is a motion capture device, i dont really care anymore since i bought a wii that hasn't been on since a month after purchase
I tend to think that racism is a reaction based off the perception that one race is superior to another. I do not think a machine is capable of making such a judgment. If that were the case, then a whole slew of motor vehicles are "racist" for not working properly with people of certain builds.Zachary Amaranth said:
If you wanted to apply an inflammatory word to the device, I'd call it "defective" instead. Assuming of course that it did indeed fail to work properly when operated by a person of color.
anybody else reminded of that Better Off Ted episode where the doors, lights and bathrooms were fitted with sensors...that couldn't pick up dark skin?
I can still see Portia de Rossi in her business suit narrowing her eyes and smiling. "Walk away...tall"
I can still see Portia de Rossi in her business suit narrowing her eyes and smiling. "Walk away...tall"
Wouldnt be an issue - If he tested it, his sparkly diamond teeth would light the room enough based on the reflections off the Kinects lense, so hed be fine.FungiGamer said:
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A device cannot be racist. Furthermore, who was it that even said "The Kinect isnt working for me, it MUST be because of my race! Lawsuite."
you can't be "racist" towards a physique. that could be why you "tend to think" of racism in selective terms. The act of discriminating based on characteristics of race is racism. I mean, honestly, I'm not going to tirade against the evils of the Racist Kinect, especially not for an off-hand comment I made, but since you are objectively wrong, I figured I'd mention it.Eclectic Dreck said:
I'm not sure "defective" is really an inflammatory term here, either. Or adequately describes the situation
But then, at this point I have completely wandered away from the jocularity in my prior post.
Wheras I would fact-check a claim by Gamespot that the Sun rose in the east.Fearzone said:
It's not just the Escapist; look at the Google News search for articles on the issue, of whom the vast majority picked up on the "racist" angle. Even if the term wasn't in the GS article, the intent was clearly to gain attention by hitting cultural hot-buttons. (Yes, I'm explicity accusing GS of trolling for hits. I'll also accuse them of sloppy methodology in their testing, something I certainly expect Consumer Reports to get right with their extensive experience with product testing.)Fearzone said:
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The Kinect is racist because it's black! And you know what else is racist? Nighttime! Someone needs to ban nighttime!
Yeah... Somehow I doubt if there was an issue, that it was intentional. I mean, an optical tracking system having difficulty tracking darker colours?
Who would have thought it... (And since it has an IR projection pattern, that would probably make it worse.)
But the kinect technology is rife with potential discriminatory issues; It contains a lot of image recognition features that are related to biometrics.
Considering it can recognise and load your user profile, it means it can determine who you are based on how you look.
But, from the rumours I've heard, it can also recognise people without a profile and classify them according to gender...
And if you think failing to track dark-skinned individuals is racism, what about when it mis-classifies your gender?
Anyone care to think about the reaction you'd have if the system decided you were a girl?
(Or male, if you happen to be female.)
Every time you intentionally program a system to classify people into groups, you're far closer to issues relating to discrimination than if your system happens to fail to recognise certain racial groups due to technical issues.
One is an unintended consequence of how the technology works, the other is explicitly programming the device to discriminate, and probably pissing off anyone who seems to be somewhat ambiguous.
Still, how many features of kinect can we list that have the potential to be offensive to some groups of people?
Who would have thought it... (And since it has an IR projection pattern, that would probably make it worse.)
But the kinect technology is rife with potential discriminatory issues; It contains a lot of image recognition features that are related to biometrics.
Considering it can recognise and load your user profile, it means it can determine who you are based on how you look.
But, from the rumours I've heard, it can also recognise people without a profile and classify them according to gender...
And if you think failing to track dark-skinned individuals is racism, what about when it mis-classifies your gender?
Anyone care to think about the reaction you'd have if the system decided you were a girl?
(Or male, if you happen to be female.)
Every time you intentionally program a system to classify people into groups, you're far closer to issues relating to discrimination than if your system happens to fail to recognise certain racial groups due to technical issues.
One is an unintended consequence of how the technology works, the other is explicitly programming the device to discriminate, and probably pissing off anyone who seems to be somewhat ambiguous.
Still, how many features of kinect can we list that have the potential to be offensive to some groups of people?
So not only do you need an enormously spacious room you also need a well lit one? Bah! make your system requirements less restrictive MS!
You'd know if you had actually read any of the posts instead of jumping straight to the Reply button.BrEnNo1023 said:
Yep. As if unfounded accusations of racism weren't enough of a problem, now we're getting unfounded accusations OF unfounded accusations of racism. We're like a windmill attacking imaginary Don Quixotes.HobbesMkii said:
Meh, the page was new, i hadn't refreshed the tab it was in in a loooooong time, too busy watching zero punctuation and others -.-Steve the Pocket said:
But anyway, that's just how the news works. The medias need to rumour that there's a rumour before the rumour becomes a rumour to the majority...most news reporters get their stories from other bigger news reporters anyway, and some articles are even based on facts gleamed from celebrities' Twitter tweets..it depends on the credibility of the particular news group you read the info from.