Controversial God of War: Ascension Trophy To Be Renamed

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wulf3n said:
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The fact that the developer changed it so quickly after this coming to light means that they too saw it as a problem.
An interesting point, and given the frequency of these "issues" I'm starting to think it's intentional. Think about all the free press they get from the "controversy".

We're just pawns in their game of media chess to increase sales.
(dons tinfoil hat)

Do you believe that this could have been thrown into the game to coincide with the release of Anita Sarkeesian's new series? I mean, sexism in games has exploded as a topic here recently. Maybe you aren't too far off with your free publicity theory...
 

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Brad Shepard said:
People need to learn to take a damn joke.
it'd help if the joke was actually funny and not a pathetic groaner on the best of days.

really though, donno which is more sad.

the original name of the trophy.

that people got pissed about it, it's God of War, your a little late to the party if you wanna whine about it being misogynistic, that's like whining about it being ultra violent (it basically pornography for violence fetishists)

or

that we're getting ANOTHER GoW game. fantastic ....
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Time and energy you're now also wasting on something that's already done.

Ultimately, it was their choice.
Yes. But they were pressured into it.

We can't just let something like this slide. First they take our stupid jokes. Then our masculine heroes. Before you know it, all of humanity's genitals will be hanging on a golden string and used to revive the corpse of Margret Thatcher.

Margret Thatcher isn't worth my genitals.
 

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Meh, saw it, and compared to the beatings that the men took in the games (Poseidon, Hercules...) it is very tame by comparison. I would say it is sexist because it is not as brutal as the men's.

Kudos for the producers for making a better joke out of the popular censorship, because now instead of hearing "bros before hoes" you will be thinking it.
 
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CaptainKarma said:
jcfrommars9 said:
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jcfrommars9 said:
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^^^ But the trophy is still tasteless, yes? That's all I've ever argued.

anthony87 said:
No, you're beating the shit out of one of the Furies.
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck, it's safe to say it's a duck.
If it looks like a Fury, quacks like a Fury, swims like a Fury, it's safe to say it's a Fury. What's your point?
The Furies are based on women. They look like women. They're women. If they aren't women then the original achievement isn't just non-offensive, it's completely nonsensical. WHy would you say Bros Before Hos if they weren't female?
The same reason people assumed that despite Bros and Hos being plural, it was referencing one man beating up one woman. It didn't seem to cross our minds that it contextually makes absolutely no sense.
But the furies ARE female. The furies are women. This is like explaining away Loli-porn by saying they're actually 10 000 year old vampires or some shit (the Tera-Defence, as I call it). They look and act female. Historically they're considered female spirits/gods. They. Are. Female.
I'm not arguing that they're not female. In fact, I quite agree with you. What I'm saying is that "Bros before Hos" doesn't reference Kratos beating up Alecto in no way, shape or form. It just doesn't fit.
You're a fucking idiot. You're bending and flexing in response to every criticism I throw at you, you goddamn troll. You say they aren't women. Then you say they are. Then you say the achievement doesn't have anything to do with all the stuff that happens on the screen AS YOU GET the achievement. The achievement is about them.

Fuck you. And fuck anthony87. You and everyone is this thread defending the achievement are everything that is wrong with the gaming community. Do you ever wonder why Fox news can roll out its anti-gaming rants with impunity? How jack Thmopson still exists? Because games are full of immature shit like that achievement. And everytime somebody tries to clean up gaming's act you shits come flooding out of the woodwork to defend your god-given right to be immature. To be hostile to women. To completely and totally demean women.

The original achievement doesn't reflect too badly on gamers.

YOU DO.

Changing it is a tiny, trivial thing. But you have to screech and rant and rave about "free speech", "censorship", "feminazis". Shit like this:

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Because god-forbid you actually consider the implications behind what you say. Does the idea that other people have emotions terrify you so much? Are you so very scared of a little bit of introspection, of thinking about what your words mean, how they might hurt people? Bugger empathy, let's fucking quibble over why it's technically not offensive.

mjc0961 said:
Nobody called the demon a prostitute at all. The phrase "bros before hos" has never been about calling women prostitutes. Much like the author of this article, you ought to try learning what you're actually speaking about before you open your mouth.
Like this. The Fury's aren't called prostitutes. They're just presented along with a word used to describe prostitutes. Here's a hint dude: that's calling them prostitutes. Ho means prostitute. The joke is that it's bro's before hos because women are just good for sex. Because they're prostitutes.
I think I spy mod-wrath on the horizon.

These people are rightly telling you that there is no "men should team up and beat the shit out of women" message happening here(how do you get there?...). A male character takes another male characters side in an altercation/dispute, the fact that the phrase only very loosely fits the context seems to be a big part of the joke... it's funny(sorta) by virtue of being silly as much as anything else.

Does the House gif with the same phrase that people keep posting bother you?
 

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How DARE they make a small change to something so that it doesn't offend?!
THAT OFFENDS ME!
They must only listen to the people I SAY!
What is the gaming industry COMING to, when people who are slightly offended get small things changed?!

I find it funny that the people who are most outraged are the ones saying nobody should be.
 

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Skeggers said:
Come on, really? It's a little joke thrown into the trophies; it's not like the game stops after you kill the woman and displays the message on the screen surrounded by huge flames, AC/DC music and a videoreel of guys high fiving.
That would actually be pretty amazing
 

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One minute feminists insist they are not special snowflakes that need protection (which is right) but the next there is a huge bruhah over a pixelated angry dude killing a pixelated daemon thing and getting a meme as the achievement title.

Feminism confuses me.
 

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Father Time said:
They think it'll start a trend where things that matter will get changed to appease the easily offended.

I can see where they're coming from but as it stands now the names of the trophies are one of the least important things in the game ranking below boxart.

I am reminded of a game (Fallout I think) that had drugs in the game and they were going to give them real names (like morphine) but someone made them change the names to fake names. I think it was the publisher. That would be something worth a backlash over because having real drugs vs. fake ones does change the atmosphere of the game. Trophies ... not really.
When developers listen to their main audience, people who aren't in the main target demo get told to shut up.
So... yeah, people bitching about this can just shut up.
The developers are gonna do what they think is best for image and profit.
 

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Father Time said:
J Tyran said:
One minute feminists insist they are not special snowflakes that need protection (which is right) but the next there is a huge bruhah over a pixelated angry dude killing a pixelated daemon thing and getting a meme as the achievement title.

Feminism confuses me.
If the trophy was called broes before foes from the start there would be no controversy.

Kratos brutally killing women was done in God of War 2 and nobody compalined. Ever since they announced the
Kratos is pretty into equal opportunities, he murders everyone he comes across regardless of ethnicity, gender, religion and whether they are human or deity.
 

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Lvl 64 Klutz said:
The phrase "bros before hos" basically labels all women as "hos" and it's offensive, and if you can't see that then shame on you.
Depends on whether you take 'bros before hos' to mean:

A: Men before women

Or

B: Friends before romantic/sexual interests.

If it's A then 'hos' refers to all women.

Hint: It's not A.

Plus there's the question of whether hos in this context actually means 'prostitute'. I'm pretty sure it doesn't. Meanings shift around a lot. Isn't language fun?
 

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Baresark said:
I mean, Adam Sessler looks like a pandering little whiner in the context of this article. I don't have anything against him personally, but one man shouldn't wield this kind of power. The internet is rather famous for giving people like this power though, I suppose.
the only power he has is the power that we give him. he simply said that the name of the trophy offended him, and voicing his opinion is well within his right. but then, because gamers cant handle words like sexism without getting defensive, it exploded. my impression of his review was, "a decent gow game that doesnt hold up to the standards of the previous ones, and one aspect that may offend some people." but as soon as he mentioned it i also though "uh oh, he brought up sexism in gaming. this will not end well for him"
 

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Aiddon said:
not surprising the even made the trophy considering the horrendously misogynistic overtones of the series. At least someone noticed how stupid it was. Kinda like the Dead Island trophy
The God of War series isnt misogynistic in the slightest bit. Kratos hates everybody equally and in no way singles out women.

As for the trophy name the God of War series has always thrown in "frat boy" phrases and silly movie references as trophies.
 

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Father Time said:
jcfrommars9 said:
CaptainKarma said:
^^^ But the trophy is still tasteless, yes? That's all I've ever argued.

anthony87 said:
No, you're beating the shit out of one of the Furies.
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck, it's safe to say it's a duck.
In context, you're beating up a woman who is as every bit as violent and murderous as you are. She intends to capture and torture you mentally and physically forever because you will not serve a man who with her help, tricked you into killing your own family. Furthermore, she's letting you do it so you can be fooled into thinking you've won.
Where was this?

Edit: Kratos gets out of his bond with Ares and escaped. I'd call that a win over the Furies who only exist to punish people who break their oaths to the Gods.
But he had to kill them to do it. There's a whole backstory regarding all of it. The Furies are basically female versions of Kratos in terms of sociopathic and murderous tendencies. And even Kratos doesn't sadistically torture his enemies. They do. Kratos has done many things but he never made a home out of a Titan while they were still alive.
 

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Father Time said:
CaptainKarma said:
anthony87 said:
CaptainKarma said:
^^^ But the trophy is still tasteless, yes? That's all I've ever argued.

anthony87 said:
No, you're beating the shit out of one of the Furies.
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck, it's safe to say it's a duck.
If it looks like a Fury, quacks like a Fury, swims like a Fury, it's safe to say it's a Fury. What's your point?
The Furies are based on women. They look like women. They're women.
That's like saying Gaia counts as a woman. They're clearly not human. Yes their faces and voice are feminine but they have legs growing out of their back.
She does? She's a female personifcation. Father Time is a male personification. Santa is male. Yes, the furies have extra legs, but they're still largely female. A literally can't understand this objection.
 

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J Tyran said:
One minute feminists insist they are not special snowflakes that need protection (which is right) but the next there is a huge bruhah over a pixelated angry dude killing a pixelated daemon thing and getting a meme as the achievement title.

Feminism confuses me.
Show me the "huge bruhah". Because it seems to be Sessler, and this thread. That's nothing. Stop using feminist's supposed hysteria as an excuse to dismiss their complaints.
 

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CaptainKarma said:
J Tyran said:
One minute feminists insist they are not special snowflakes that need protection (which is right) but the next there is a huge bruhah over a pixelated angry dude killing a pixelated daemon thing and getting a meme as the achievement title.

Feminism confuses me.
Show me the "huge bruhah". Because it seems to be Sessler, and this thread. That's nothing. Stop using feminist's supposed hysteria as an excuse to dismiss their complaints.
Enough of bruhah to get it patched out, this isn't the only thread or site discussing it. The patch was one of the weeks biggest stories and its grabbed a lot of blog and forum space.
 

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Little Gray said:
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not surprising the even made the trophy considering the horrendously misogynistic overtones of the series. At least someone noticed how stupid it was. Kinda like the Dead Island trophy
The God of War series isnt misogynistic in the slightest bit. Kratos hates everybody equally and in no way singles out women.

As for the trophy name the God of War series has always thrown in "frat boy" phrases and silly movie references as trophies.
Cute. Guess what, it still doesn't change the fact the almost EVERY major female in that series is either A) Victimized B) Objectified C) Overly sexualized or D) some combination of the three. It's hard to say that the game is equal what with how many times women are reduced to fucktoy minigames or juvenile eye candy and that's when they're not being killed for no reason other than to cement Kratos as the juvenile power fantasy he is.
 

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Aiddon said:
Little Gray said:
Aiddon said:
not surprising the even made the trophy considering the horrendously misogynistic overtones of the series. At least someone noticed how stupid it was. Kinda like the Dead Island trophy
The God of War series isnt misogynistic in the slightest bit. Kratos hates everybody equally and in no way singles out women.

As for the trophy name the God of War series has always thrown in "frat boy" phrases and silly movie references as trophies.
Cute. Guess what, it still doesn't change the fact the almost EVERY major female in that series is either A) Victimized B) Objectified C) Overly sexualized or D) some combination of the three. It's hard to say that the game is equal what with how many times women are reduced to fucktoy minigames or juvenile eye candy and that's when they're not being killed for no reason other than to cement Kratos as the juvenile power fantasy he is.
Every single major Character is either,

-Brutalized
-Victimized
-Sexualized (yes muscular men in sarongs is sexualizaton, some men and women would certainly consider them attractive)
-Objectified (yes having a character simply as a means of pointing the way or moving the plot forward is objectification)

God of War is an over the top power fantasy, thats the point of it but it never singles out women as a target. As for the mini games, well lots of games include sex and TV series like Game of Thrones and the Spartacus series are packed full of sex and nudity. God of War is the same.

Guess what? Humans find sex appealing in entertainment.
 

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This is a bad sign, because it just means that people are going to be encouraged to do more trolling like this when they want some attention or a platform.

I find it truely disturbing that a bunch of faux-liberals trying to get attention force a game change, when huge amounts of the gaming community couldn't get the "Mass Effect 3" ending changed when it desperatly needed it in a real sense rather than just being an attention grabbing exercise.

For those who don't really understand the issue, there is no real problem with women being beaten up in games. That's just how it goes when women fight, sometimes they lose. In this case you had a legendary female powerhouse (Medusa) challenging Kratos, and it ended pretty much like you'd expect. Kratos is pretty much equal oppertunity when
brutalizing anyone who gets in his way. The entire situation is perfectly straightforward, fits the series, and there
is nothing wrong with it. The "achievement" is simply a bit of irreverant politically incorrect humor, using a bit of "bro talk" dismissively in response to what was an epic fight.

To be honest for those few people complaining about "OMG, a female on the receiving end of violence" let me put it to you this way... that's equality on action. We have our action girls running around now, and they aren't being patronized by being limited to only fighting other girls (as per the old "cat fight" tropes, where the bad girl will always wind up fighting and being defeated by a hero's love interest so he can maintain his purity in not striking a girl). Women are being pretty much treated like anyone else in video games, it's what people crusaded for, and people need to get used to it. Girls losing is the flip side of girls kicking butt, it goes both ways.

Ironically, it seems to me that people complaining about this scene and achievement seriously, are actually some of the most un-progressive people out there. I mean what, should Medusa have been limited to staying in the kitchen making Sandwiches where she wouldn't get hurt?

Interestingly, I'd also point out that like any enemy in God Of War if the player isn't as quick on the buttons as he needs to be, she is also fully capable of killing Kratos (and is trying to) which kind of invalidates any complaints about the material itself... and being a bit irreverant about it with the achievement is no big thing.

The reason why this is lib-trolling (people trolling with a liberal issue knowing it will get attention) is that plenty of things like this have gone on for years without getting attention. What's more there have been some pretty irreverant bits with female characters brutalizing guys and one liners and such being made about it as well. You'll notice our "crusaders" here didn't seem to be lined up to complain about Bayonetta being sexist against men, people got into the whole "OMG, what a piece of eye candy" thing, but let's be honest... she's even more needlessly brutal and cruel than Kratos is. Kratos might slam someone's head in a door 15-20 times, or pulverize faces or whatever else, Bayoneta will conjure torture devices from thin air just to brutalize her enemies while obviously having a great time doing it, as opposed to Kratos who is usually pretty grim and rage filled during the entire thing, his brutality usually being more of a "excesses in the heat of combat" rather than sitting back giggling while someone gets deconstucted by a floating torture device when the enemy could have been just as easily put down with a couple of bullets at that point. :)