You're absolutely right. I loved Dredd and I saw it first. I still love Dredd. Then recently I went on a trip and saw Raid, and it had martial arts. I love Martial Arts. Dredd was nearly a frame by frame rip off, even to the SAW/Chaingun scene. Of course I love the Character of Dredd, so it made me still give it a pass. But I was disappointed when I realized it.newwiseman said:
Well, the difference of Dredd is that you see he's hunting down killers and people who are actually breaking the law. He literally doesn't notice you if you're not doing some sort of infraction. That IS the type of cop we all want.Eri said:
Thing is, that's true to the comics, Dredd very rarely executes anyone (killed during arrest happens a lot more often, but that's understandable), and most often puts down perps with non-lethal wounding shots.Skeleon said:
Apart from the good old observation that the forum isn't a hive mind, so getting different viewpoints form different user should be expected, is it really so strange that people like things in their fiction that they don't like in real life? Just because someone likes Batman, doesn't mean they approve of vigilante justice. You can enjoy Starship Troopers without endorsing a fascist, militaristic government. Plus of course, Dredd is at heart a satire, so what's amusing about people enjoying it and not approving of irl police brutality/excessive force?Eri said:
Disappointed in what? The 2 film are similar either by coincidence or it's the Raid that's ripping off Dredd, seeing as Dredd started filming a month before The Raid went into pre-production. While I haven't seen The Raid, given the time frames around the movies, it is impossible for Dredd to be ripping off the Raid, unless Alex Garland has a time machine.ObsidianJones said:
Are you sure you even meant to quote me? I wasn't complaining about Judge Dredd. I said that I find it funny that the Judge Dredd game was closer to how a policeman should act than a lot of other games featuring cops-gone-rogue. The Judge Dredd game punished you if you killed everybody, you were actually supposed to arrest folks. But compare that to, say, the Dead To Rights games, where the protagonist slaughters hundreds of enemies instead of trying to arrest people.Megalodon said:
Valid Question. I'm not sure if you're into martial arts as much as I am (I practice, study, and just try to absorb as much of it as I can), but I knew that the The Raid Redemption was just it's English name. Its Indonesian name is 'Serbuan Maut'. I knew it was a movie that was release a long time prior. Well, a year. Here, I'll give you the google infoMegalodon said:
Dredd, however, came out in 2012
So, yeah. that's why I'm disappointed.
I did mean to quote you, but I also messed up the quoting. I like that the Dredd game did that, because it is true to the comics (and is a trait that is often lost oyside the comics thanks to the old Judge, Jury, Executioner tag line.) The bit you quote here was directed at Eri, because I found it strange that they being amused by supposed hypocrisy that doesn't make any sense to me.Skeleon said:
Yes Dredd came out after The Raid. However Dredd started pre production in August 2010, with filming starting in November of that year. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dredd#ProductionObsidianJones said:
Just wanted to point out that those Metacritic scores do not represent people's opinion of the movie. The User Score rating of each movie is 8.2, meaning people in general enjoyed each movie about equally. Why anyone would go by the Critic Reviews over the User Score is beyond me.ObsidianJones said:
The jist of why I was posting that was to show the time reference of when both movies shipped. I have no idea why you're talking about reivews.Locke_Cole said:
Have movies, games, and the like paused to add new content into their finish product? Yeah. It happens all the time. Can I say with certainty that the crew of Dredd did that? No. I can't. I can say that the first time the Raid was ever Shown was in Canada at the Toronto Film Festival On September 8th, 2011 [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1899353/releaseinfo?ref_=tt_dt_dt]. I'm not sure when Dredd stopped production.Megalodon said:
So you're suggesting the Dredd guys "paused" to completely remake the film after they saw The Raid? Seriously, think it through. Plus Dredd was famously low-budget, there's no way they could have afforded extensive re-shoots. Hell, that's the whole reason they went with the small, contained tower block setting in the first place.ObsidianJones said:
I was debating whether to respond to this due to perceived tone. Again, perceived. I can be wrong. Although I only use phrases such as 'think it through' in a not so flattering manner. However, the need to make my feelings clear won out. I state this as if I do come off as rude, forgive me in advance. I will look this over and edit it and hopefully it will just come out as factual.Eamar said:
Absolutely no negativity was meant, apologies if it came across that way. It was meant to be a kind of light-hearted disagreement, but yeah, tone is difficult on the internet without spamming emoticonsObsidianJones said:
([small]see what I did there?[/small])Ok, fair enough. To be fair though, a film of a big franchise like Judge Dredd doesn't exactly happen overnight either. Work started on the script in 2006, and it was announced in 2008. I can't find the corresponding dates for The Raid, but I doubt it was much earlier than that.
I once started working on a story and got really into it, only to turn on the radio a couple of weeks later and hear a radio drama that was so similar to my story it was genuinely spooky and I had no real choice but to scrap the whole thing. I also once wrote a piece of music where part of the melody, completely unbeknownst to me, was unbelievably similar to a song my friend knew, but which I had never heard. My views on creative coincidence changed as a result of those experiences, though I acknowledge it's difficult to accept unless you've been in that situation. My theory on how such a thing is possible revolves around the different creators drawing from the same pool of tropes and influences (and yes, that goes all the way down to things like shot composition, dialogue and musical chord progressions).
Here at least we can agree
