Little Woodsman said:[snip] I suppose if anything it's that the 'out of combat' contributions she makes to the team are much harder to spot, leaving the impression that she's not as active or 'out front' for the league as Supes, Bats, MM or even GL.jamail77 said:snip
I also did have a hard time with her being
The one who would never forgive Hawkgirl. In a bitter bit of irony, like Hawkgirl WW also has an agenda of her own that she pursues (albeit more openly) and relays information about the JL & it's members/activities back to her homeland. While I can see her cultural background of intense loyalty to those who fight beside her being key to this attitude, she's also the one who's supposed to be trying to lead 'men's world' out of it's quagmire of endless recrimination and blame games.
OTOH, she's the one who pushes J'onn to go on his journey of self-discovery. Which was a great thing for him.
In the show, that wasn't her agenda though. In the very first episode Wonder Woman was drawn to the Imperium invasion partly because of the tragedy going on across the world and partly because J'onn J'onzz, or Martian Manhunter if you prefer, was sending subconscious telepathic messages for help to people like her. She stole her armor and ran away. Themyscira in the show was very isolationist; they didn't really want to help man's world and if they did and it wasn't explained well or shown then they didn't put much initiative, care, or forethought into it. That is why it was hidden from the rest of the world. I suppose they could have been waiting for the right time??? I don't know which of the various although fairly similar origins is canon in the comics, so I'm not sure if you're mixing up the show with the comics.
Even if that was part of the show's introduction of her she would still have done it openly rather than go behind their backs as you said. That's understandable from their point of view. Besides it was mostly to help Themyscira, at least in the show, than help man's world from what I could tell. They did want to talk to them and learn of them and from them, yet the one time we see Wonder Woman ambassadoring she talks about how global warming negatively affects Themyscira and how concerned Themyscira is and how her mother might consider military options.
Anyway, so that was never a reason to identify. I liked that someone never forgave Hawkgirl soon after; everyone was just sort of fine with it or at least openly fine with it (Except maybe The Vigilante as he never really described his frustration well during that mission with her and Vixen. That was hard to judge though and he joined the League when they expanded vs. being part of the founding members and after Hawkgirl had left and before she had joined again so that is more complicated). I couldn't tell if Wonder Woman forgave her or just learned to respect her more and move on after Felix Faust's return but I like to think she fully did after that even if really she just sort of did (I'll stick to my fantasy regardless haha). I would forgive her quickly too but it was nice to see someone who didn't in the type of show, in which it was likely everyone would.
Even if that was part of the show's introduction of her she would still have done it openly rather than go behind their backs as you said. That's understandable from their point of view. Besides it was mostly to help Themyscira, at least in the show, than help man's world from what I could tell. They did want to talk to them and learn of them and from them, yet the one time we see Wonder Woman ambassadoring she talks about how global warming negatively affects Themyscira and how concerned Themyscira is and how her mother might consider military options.
Anyway, so that was never a reason to identify. I liked that someone never forgave Hawkgirl soon after; everyone was just sort of fine with it or at least openly fine with it (Except maybe The Vigilante as he never really described his frustration well during that mission with her and Vixen. That was hard to judge though and he joined the League when they expanded vs. being part of the founding members and after Hawkgirl had left and before she had joined again so that is more complicated). I couldn't tell if Wonder Woman forgave her or just learned to respect her more and move on after Felix Faust's return but I like to think she fully did after that even if really she just sort of did (I'll stick to my fantasy regardless haha). I would forgive her quickly too but it was nice to see someone who didn't in the type of show, in which it was likely everyone would.
I don't know about the "out of combat" stuff. When I think about it, it certainly seems she contributed less in that department, even if in reality she didn't and it was just harder to spot, than the other founding members except HawkGirl who really had the least contributions in that department. Does her part in that self discovery make up for her possible lack of non-combat contribution? I don't know.
Out of curiousity does anyone know if I formatted this correctly. I technically left out a reply from someone else in the quoted post but it was irrelevant to my response. I'm just curious if I followed "snip" etiquette here on The Escapist.