Court Told Wikileaks Backlash Cost PayPal £3.5 Million

[flarty]

Your willingness to dismiss these articles, and the fact that you can not even be bothered to even just read anything relating to them from a quick google is displayed in your post. Anyone can claim to be anonymous, they are not some organized group and they have no central leadership. They're a collection of activists and hackers who all adhere to the same idea.

Exactly, they are not some organized group... but they are also not a collection of activists and they also do not share the same idea. they are a loose collection of a bunch of people from 4chan. Some hackers hide in that crowd, but if you follow them on twitter you know who they really are... If they twitter. the true blackhats are criminals hiding from sight. They use whatever cover they can find. But no one considers them to be part of "anonymous" even-though that mass has no boundaries.

So apart from committing the obvious crimes like the one being discussed in this thread. What other crimes are you accusing them of? Because there's no evidence that anyone within anonymous has committed any other crimes because they are "anonymous". So now you are resorting to is spouting unfounded BS and not even presenting any evidence to back it up, which i can not find either.

I shouldn't read your post as you still cant even be bothered to read an article on anonymous before spouting your BS, so what are you going to teach me if you cant even be bothered to learn yourself?

Well, you don't read my postings as you claimed above, so don't complain if you won't learn anything from them... you need to read them to find out .

Erm wut? This makes no sense. I'm not complaining about not learning anything. I'm complaining that you have nothing to teach, as you keep on demonstrating in each post. Also it wasn't a "claim" it was a statement of fact.

Take it easy bro, I doubt I'll bother replying too you again, your about as open minded as a religious fundamentalist, and my time is spent better conversing with people who actually know what they are talking about.

 

[Kathinka]

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none of the articles you linked were in any way connected to wikileaks. these interpreters in question had to flee for various other reasons. if anyone would have to flee because of the leaks, the pentagon of all places would surely not claim otherwise.
fun fact: wikileaks offered to work with the pentagon in order to go through the documents and ensure that no one can come to harm. the pentagon, however, didn't take them up on their offer.

there is numerous other things on wikileaks, of varying importance and location. america just got caught doing the most of the evil shit. that they are featured most prominently on that site doesn't meant that they did not commit those crimes, so simply crying "but..but..they are so obviously hating americans!" is so pure ad hominem.

i know about the charges. but he never confessed to them, no matter what you claim. he admitted into having consentual and lawful sex with them. that is all.
no matter how loud you or any other butthurt americans cry, he is innocent until a court of law has said otherwise. if he done it, he should be punished. but even then, it changes nothing about the wikileaks revelation of american misdeeds.

 

[teh_gunslinger]

I am not exactly defending the actions that our military takes, but it's the Gov't that is the overall problem and not the military. I know many soldiers of high and lower ranks that don't agree with many things that are done, but they have no power in those decisions and if you speak out to much you will be in deep shit. Also America is not the only one with it's hands dirty... Every single Country has skeletons in the closet and do horrid things. There is no true peaceful Country and only Countries that may be better at hiding their dirty secrets...

The soldiers who claim to not agree can just quit. Unless they do that I would say they are morally on the hook for whatever shit happens. If you willingly stay in a place, knowing that laws and rights may be broken, then you are an immoral person.

Claiming they have no power is a weak bullshit excuse. If they are men enough to sign up to kill random strangers they should be men enough to either leave or, if they are in a bad spot, say no to orders that are immoral and then take the punishment. I can't have any sympathy for people willing to kill but not be man enough to do that.

 

[Strazdas]

So if the court is saying that the 3.5 million damage was not enough and we should fine paypay it would be fine. any other way i think the court is crazy.

All legal systems are corrupt? Uh...that is a MASSIVE generalization that you didn't exactly give evidence to support. And yes I will judge them, anon is a bunch of brats who think that they're above the law.

if you think that US goverment cant pull paypals strings you have no knowledge to talk about anything relating politics. the whole point of anon was that LAWS WERE NOT FOLLOWED.
the whole thing that this article things anon has a leader makes me believe somone up there doesnt know whats going on to begin with.

P.S. you guys are aware that in Germany court has decided that DDos is a "fair form of protest on internet". OFC they were pressured to change thier minds because you know you cant do much when you go third of world guns to your head.

Things in the documents can give enemy factions of USA and Allie forces the ability to cause more harm to our soldiers or people that cooperate with them in said Country and hinder operations that would maybe speed up ending conflicts.

Yes, making public information that should have been public by default may compromise security of soldiers that are in conflict that they shouldn't be into in the first place. oh the horror.

Also that it causes more violent hate that is not needed right now...

its needed now more than ever. in fact we need a second french revolution.

People in Annon that do certain things like hack gov't or Corporations just give them the excuse to pass laws to further restrict internet rights for the sake of security... I believe in free speech, but there is a line where free speech and actions can do tremendous harm to people and must be stopped.

governments can only push so far until people throw them over the fence. well of course unless its american government where propaganda makes people believe america is still great.

I like the part where you promote civil discussion by starting off by insulting me. second I am familiar with the case and the evidence I have seen points to him being guilty.

if you managed to misread the case into thinking he is guilty then you deserve to be insulted. you fool.

you see that 100% government transparency is both unrealistic and harmful? what exactly do you expect the government to do?

whats harmful is 0% government transparency. we cant have enough of transparency everywhere.

Using theft to acquire classified information isn't freedom of speech, its espionage.

classifying information that should be public is much worse.

So Paypal doesn't want to support a website that regularly violates national security, and anon throws a tantrum and makes them lose 3.5 mil, for not encouraging a website that breaks the law and endangering their company's interest by not supporting something they don't even believe in? How is this guy supposed to be in the right again?

paypal supports websites that donate to KKK, neonazis, anarchists and many other things that are far worse, but US pulled the strings and made them freeze wikileaks donations, because maybe for once paypal donations would be used for something good right? hipocracy much? Or are you saying that paypal must believe in what it supports, so then it believes in KKK, nazism abnd dont get me started on fundraisers....
Paypal was completely wrong. its job is to support monetary services, not take sides. appropriate response would be to made enough damage to apypal that it woudl think twice before playing god next time.

All legal systems are corrupt? Uh...that is a MASSIVE generalization that you didn't exactly give evidence to support. And yes I will judge them, anon is a bunch of brats who think that they're above the law.

if the laws and will of people clash, it is the laws that are wrong.

And who's being served by airing the US diplomat mail? That's still unclear. All it did was cause a diplomatic riot, and nothing new was shown otherwise.

safe mind. dimplomats mail should be public by default.

Outside of that, he's directly responsible for the riot that publishing the US diplomatic mail caused. There's just no arguing he harmed US interests without any visible benefit to it at all.

and the whole worse should be US slaves because?

You know that kind of thinking makes me really nervous... so it's ok that Assange endangered lives for his own goals? But that's ok when you see the all the other bad things?

so its ok that people destroy lives for thier own interest and when someone possibly endangers lives because they are trying to expose the ones doing all the killing then you throw a tantrum. if anything it is the government that acts like children here.

Saying that it's always a good thing is too black or white. Leaves no room for discretion of quite honestly common sense. Assange could have choose to not release those particular documents. He did anyways. If any of those civilians were executed by the Taliban becuase of those documents, the blood is on Assanges hands as well as the Taliban and the people running the war on terror.

so, say, i tell you where a gay person lives and you go shoot it. its my fault that you were dumb enough to shoot him (thats theoretical situation not implying you hate gays or anything). kind of backwards thinking there.

Look at history and see that hate speech and propaganda by using speech is the main reason for violence... So yes there needs to be a stop of people saying we should rise and kill one another for bs purposes...

and if that were true we would still live in the stone age. try again.

Vandalism. You should read the whole article next time.

now go back and re-read the post your quoting.

There is no perspective to put it into: Assange endangered the lives of innocent people. That's all there is to it.

looking at it this way, we should ban cars, because they also endangered lives of innocent people. PERSPECTIVE IS EVERYTHING.
and well thne you go on rambling how they saved your life, so i guess you shouldn't even discuss this because obviously your opinion is very subjective.

It was childish, because they way it was done hurt the wrong people,

Paypal claim 3.5m damage. so it hurt the right people for at least 3.5m.

- I am boycotting Sony and Apple

yes, this is definitely working for you seeing how apple and Sony was one of the biggest profiteers this year (in thier group).

- I am talking to people about what those companies do/did and why I boycott them

this is a bit better, but boycotts never really work cause people boycotting a product still use said product most of the time.

- I am going to give a party if one of those companies goes down (even though I will be sad for the unemployed)

helps the goal in no way whatsoever.

... because they are not the enemy.

they should be.

And this where where I am better than any kiddie-hacker who tries to make a point by hurting one of those parties.

all you are is lazy guy who pretends that hes doing anything while actually doing nothing.

Vandalism is nothing anyone should be respected for and it is how things will ever change. Also the world is not full of apathy, it is just full of people who either don't know, or follow the wrong believe. This can be fixed by talking to people.

vandalism was a crucial part of any important revolution. that is to say use of word vandalism may be different from what you assume. if you think talking to people helps, then anon should be your god, because what they did is made the world listen to what they got to say, whether they like it or not.

Jingoism is extreme nationalism and being pro-war, something that doesn't really exist any longer these days.

excelt that this is what america is doing exactly.

Then why have they never ever published them?

they did, but you didnt bother to look. you only care when US cries how their evil plans been discovered.

Why would you accuse me of lying, and in the same sentence admit that he confessed to it just like I said? It strikes me as highly contradictory.

Why would anyone want to defend a sex offender in the first place?

so to you having a consentual intercourse with woman makes you a rapist. good lord, all those married people are rapists now.

 

[VanTesla]

I am not exactly defending the actions that our military takes, but it's the Gov't that is the overall problem and not the military. I know many soldiers of high and lower ranks that don't agree with many things that are done, but they have no power in those decisions and if you speak out to much you will be in deep shit. Also America is not the only one with it's hands dirty... Every single Country has skeletons in the closet and do horrid things. There is no true peaceful Country and only Countries that may be better at hiding their dirty secrets...

The soldiers who claim to not agree can just quit. Unless they do that I would say they are morally on the hook for whatever shit happens. If you willingly stay in a place, knowing that laws and rights may be broken, then you are an immoral person.

Claiming they have no power is a weak bullshit excuse. If they are men enough to sign up to kill random strangers they should be men enough to either leave or, if they are in a bad spot, say no to orders that are immoral and then take the punishment. I can't have any sympathy for people willing to kill but not be man enough to do that.

Ok then if you say so... Listen the USA military is not like it was way back where you could say screw your orders to a superior it's wrong and not get instantly court martial, dishonorable discharged, or worse depending on the case and severity. Also one can not just quit once in the military it is not that simple and if you think you can say I have had enough and head right out the door, then you are sadly mistaken on how things work... To say man up to a soldier and take the punishment is just amusing since they go through shit you and I can't imagine so I would not speak about manning up unless you are say a soldier or have been in war...

 

[teh_gunslinger]

I am not exactly defending the actions that our military takes, but it's the Gov't that is the overall problem and not the military. I know many soldiers of high and lower ranks that don't agree with many things that are done, but they have no power in those decisions and if you speak out to much you will be in deep shit. Also America is not the only one with it's hands dirty... Every single Country has skeletons in the closet and do horrid things. There is no true peaceful Country and only Countries that may be better at hiding their dirty secrets...

The soldiers who claim to not agree can just quit. Unless they do that I would say they are morally on the hook for whatever shit happens. If you willingly stay in a place, knowing that laws and rights may be broken, then you are an immoral person.

Claiming they have no power is a weak bullshit excuse. If they are men enough to sign up to kill random strangers they should be men enough to either leave or, if they are in a bad spot, say no to orders that are immoral and then take the punishment. I can't have any sympathy for people willing to kill but not be man enough to do that.

Ok then if you say so... Listen the USA military is not like it was way back where you could say screw your orders to a superior it's wrong and not get instantly court martial, dishonorable discharged, or worse depending on the case and severity. Also one can not just quit once in the military it is not that simple and if you think you can say I have had enough and head right out the door, then you are sadly mistaken on how things work... To say man up to a soldier and take the punishment is just amusing since they go through shit you and I can't imagine so I would not speak about manning up unless you are say a soldier or have been in war...

A lucky stroke I used to be a soldier then. Granted I left as soon as I could due to not being interested in killing people when the war in Afghanistan broke out, but still. I have a very good idea of what they go through.

I don't particularly care about that though. Moral absolution is not forthcoming from me if they didn't refuse immoral orders. Simple as that. Following orders is never, ever and excuse. Better to man up and face the music for refusing.

 

[Muspelheim]

Um, hi. Cöuld we pleäse håve öur suspect sö we can try him ånd decide whether he's innöcent ör nöt, like cöurts usuälly dö? Is thät töö much tå äsk?

I do love how apparently it's the sex crime legislation that's the problem here. Knobbing people who are asleep are alright if you're the good guy, right? And honestly, considering how unusual it is to see anyone actually convicted of rape reguardless of evidence, he'll probably be either aquitted or face one year or so at the very most.

Now, there is the whole business of him being turned over to the American government, and to be perfectly honest, that isn't that farfetched of a suspicion. The government have gladly turned people over to states, including the United, even if it was very reasonable to assume that they would face torture or worse. However, that isn't a very popular move anymore, for obvious reasons, and if Assange would somehow end up in the hands of the American world police, there would be a shitstorm. It'd be near political suicide. I know I would chuck my fair share of cobblestone if that happened, and I'm not even very fond of Assange.

With that said, I do like Wikileaks, and what they've done, a whole bunch. I think that showing America and the world what the army's really up to when no one is looking is a good, if a bit depressing, thing. If it's dangerous for that sort of information to be disclosed since it can create more anger and hatred, then maybe the better solution would be to not gun down civilians in the first place, eh?

 

[UberNoodle]

LoL, that is a strange statement. It certainly did affect wikileaks because the US government used their power to inhibit people donating to the defense of Julian Assange. I would say that them caving to the US Government like they did very badly affected both Wikileaks and Julian Assange. But some of us are more justice minded than others I guess.

OT: It's amazing what anonymity does to peoples courage. They just weren't anonymous enough. The idiotic thing is when someone takes credit for this kind of thing. If they actually did it anonymously, we most likely wouldn't be seeing this article.

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That quote up there, is not me, by the way. They are the words of the person who replied to me on page one, and somehow you've messed it all up and I got the notification.