I wonder why people don't post stories about cutting games out of Steam? Oh yeah people don't have an irrational hated of Valve and their huge monopoly only EA.
Pirates being pirates. Nothing new. Not much to say beyond, saw it coming.
Steam collect information on your computer without your consent. Making it technically spyware. Just spyware with a happy face, a limited collection set, and a good company behind it. What makes me angry is not that people are challenge this junk but that they are being complete hypocrites about it and doing it based on who they personally like or don't like and not who does what.
a) you consent to it when you install steam and read the EULA.
b) they give you more information on what is collected, in nice simple little graphics such as hardware statistics in little graphs
c) I'd rather trust a company like VALVe with my data, rather than EA, who time and time again have fucked up royally with everything to do with gaming.
"Ugh. This multi-million corporation has installed spyware on my computer! Good thing this .EXE I downloaded off some site will let me play the game without it."
This is an .EXE devloped by Razor though. Some facts: They're a signatory to the UPN clauses of 1999, they've been around since 1985, they moderate on Neowin, and their releases list (that is, their public releases) dates back to 1996 when they published Doom the day after ID put in out.
I wonder why people don't post stories about cutting games out of Steam? Oh yeah people don't have an irrational hated of Valve and their huge monopoly only EA.
Pirates being pirates. Nothing new. Not much to say beyond, saw it coming.
Steam collect information on your computer without your consent. Making it technically spyware. Just spyware with a happy face, a limited collection set, and a good company behind it. What makes me angry is not that people are challenge this junk but that they are being complete hypocrites about it and doing it based on who they personally like or don't like and not who does what.
a) you consent to it when you install steam and read the EULA.
b) they give you more information on what is collected, in nice simple little graphics such as hardware statistics in little graphs
c) I'd rather trust a company like VALVe with my data, rather than EA, who time and time again have fucked up royally with everything to do with gaming.
b) They give you back some information when they do your hardware survey but they do collect other information that they don't explicitly tell you about. Nothing major but still they could theoretically do a lot worse if they want to. Valve is not a bunch of dicks now but neither was EA way back when.
c) Note the above about hypocrites. Personal preference plays more more in what people say then facts or actual severity of action. EA is the punching bag and comedic devil and Valve is the golden god and so people treat them as such no matter what. (not just on this issue either) and that bugs me.
not surprised to read this. it was pretty obvious some one will crack it. and for once. i dont blame them. they said, for people who got the game legally and dont want origin spying on you. thats something i cant accept. the company still gets their money. but i guess EA will not sit there and do nothing.
If this sticks around... nah who am I kidding, I'm not buying Battlefield 3. EA you disappoint me too often you money snatching arseholes. And Dice, make a god damn Mirror's edge 2.
If this sticks around... nah who am I kidding, I'm not buying Battlefield 3. EA you disappoint me too often you money snatching arseholes. And Dice, make a god damn Mirror's edge 2.
EA will always be a money grabbing whore. BF3 will not be on my pc either. and yes, dice should make a mirrors edge 2. i still enjoy the first one a lot. but if they ever should do a part 2, it might still require origin.
i'll be first to say i like Battlelog. For a browser base system of game launch it works fantastically well and pretty please with how the game alt-tabs readily.
But can someone tell me y we need to run Origin as well? If its the software that is updating Battlelog's data on the fly than boy is this a clunky ass system of work arounds D:
Also, Origin takes an age and a half to startup when executed! Grr, and i refuse to have it startup on windows boot up!
Plenty of people monitor Steam and what calls it makes to the HDD. Outside of the Hardware survey, the ONLY files it accesses are files within the steam directories and the misc data from it's own programs that because of Windows design constraints are outside the steam directories. Those are the only files it accesses.
I can confirm that. I've run Steam through rigorous Sandboxing for over two years now.
Since then, it has only accessed its registries when it needs to (and only does so during major client updates or first-run installations of games) and its access directory.
First of all, Steam isn't a DRM. It's a service like iTunes. iTunes isn't the only place to get songs, you can get them other places and add them to your iTunes library if you want it. It's not compulsory to buy games through steam, you have the choice to buy games on disc and not have to deal with Steam. There are cracks for all of Valve's games that allow you to go steam free. Steam doesn't prevent piracy, it just makes games available to download instead of buying them on disc. Just like iTunes doesn't stop you from pirating music, it just gives you the option of buying it through them instead of in a store.
First of all, Steam isn't a DRM. It's a service like iTunes. iTunes isn't the only place to get songs, you can get them other places and add them to your iTunes library if you want it. It's not compulsory to buy games through steam, you have the choice to buy games on disc and not have to deal with Steam. There are cracks for all of Valve's games that allow you to go steam free. Steam doesn't prevent piracy, it just makes games available to download instead of buying them on disc. Just like iTunes doesn't stop you from pirating music, it just gives you the option of buying it through them instead of in a store.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Steam is DRM.
Steam is also forced on consumers who purchase retail discs.
While we're at it; iTunes is also a form of Digital Rights Management. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management
I didn't, and I won't, buy Battlefield 3 despite initially being completely sold on the game.
My reasons? Origin was forced on everyone and if it weren't for that mistake, for the most part, EA's Origin would have been doing the right thing by me. I must admit that exposing people to Origin by using a title like Battlefield 3 was a smart move that makes perfect sense so, while I don't agree with it, I certainly understand it.
So long as it leaves me alone and I'm given the choice, I'm dandy. Until then, however, I won't buy EA. Just like I don't buy Valve or titles that use Steamworks (don't worry, I look for that fucking logo on the back of the box now).
Valve had, and clearly still have, an incredibly tight grip on the platform and they're trying to keep it that way.
If things continue to go the Valve way; publishers will have a stranglehold and games will be unique to their exclusive service with... and here's the important part... Significantly less competition. Funnily enough, it was EA who decided to do something about this... The tantrum aimed at Valve was over something else and they were definitely looking out for their own interests... But they seem to have agreements with other DD services, the extent of which I just don't know, at least it's something.
I did a search for Valve games on other Digital Distribution services, wanna know how many were available?
http://www.impulsedriven.com/explore/search/valve - Nothing
http://www.direct2drive.com/Search.aspx?SearchTerm=valve -Nothing
http://www.gog.com/en/catalogue#all_genres/search/valve -Nothing
http://store.origin.com/store/eaapac/en_US/search/?keywords=valve -Nothing
http://www.gamersgate.com/games?prio=relevance&q=valve - A LFD2 guide, SCORE!
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/Search?q=valve#Games FINALLY! We have Left 4 Dead 2 and The Orange Box.... For Xbox360.
http://www.direct2drive.com/
Check it out, BF3 on their homepage.
I don't like Steam. I have never liked Steam. It's DRM, it's forced on me, region markups are bullshit and my internet sucks. Also, as I've posted around here before, sometimes I have to make a choice between food and the internet. Guess which one wins by default?
*Shakes fist at nature*
Should I have to go without the games that I've already paid for too?
I'll leave you with some screenshots... Apologies for the size, I've wasted enough time on this.
I'm not trying to paint EA as the good guys. Their service is still new and the effects of it, including the way they conduct their business, are yet to be seen. However, if they didn't force people to install Origin to play their games and if they made the surveying optional, they would be pretty darn close in this case. (Though, of course, they didn't).
Please, people, please just stop giving Steam a free pass.
So, there you have it, I've tried to include as many of my views as possible (I'm sure I missed some) in the hope that I never have to post on these subjects again and so people won't patronise the shit out of me for not understanding that Steam is God. Not everyone will read this and not everyone will agree with me, I'll probably just avoid these threads in future. Oh, who am I kidding? I'll read them furiously but will refrain from posting, so, pretty much my everyday here.
Now... release it without forced Origin for disk and best to release it on steam too you moronic ****s and get more sales as opposed to losing sales due to pirates hating origin.
Also detecting this shit is impossible unless your going to search the entire internet for the games being hosted on various anonymous locations >.>
You can't beat the patch, and if the people running the servers are tech savvy enough then they can avoid direct IP detection.
I don't think so. The crack allows you to play a legally purchased version of a game without extra software running in the background. The escapist has a no-piracy policy, and as no sales are lost by this crack I think it is in line with it.
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