Creationist Scientist Wants Airtime on Cosmos for Creationist Views

[Rhykker]

I respectfully decline your request.

I genuinely laughed out loud. I also shared that Family Guy clip with friends when Cosmos premiered; classic.

I'm not one to refute religious beliefs, but just as much as I would never expect a Church to teach evolution, I don't expect a science program to teach religion.

 

[FalloutJack]

Ok...Someone tell me if I'm wrong here. But isn't a Creationist Scientist an oxymoron?

Well, yes. I mean, unless he was one of those open-minded people who actually accepted, you know, science. But a Creationist into science is like a fish not only out of water, but in the desert on a horse with no name.

This is like a scientologist asking for an audience with the Pope, or Stephen Hawking getting up and walking like Dr. Strangelove, or god apologizing for the inconvenience. We'd love to see it, but we know it ain't gonna happen.

 

[Sniper Team 4]

When did evolution become fact? No, seriously, can someone tell me when? When I was still in school, all the way up through college, evolution was still referred to as a theory. Then is seemed like one day theory was dropped and evolution became fact. I'm curious when that happened, or was my city just slow to catch on?

EDIT: Okay everyone, I have my answer. Or should I say answers? Anyway, while most of the quotes were nice and polite in explaining my question, I have my answer now. My inbox has exploded, so please no more quoting. Thank you.

 

[VanQ]

No. How about we keep the crazies away from our educational TV. It's bad enough that religious nuts indoctrinate children from birth. As someone who grew up in a religious family, I'm extremely thankful for the education I was lucky enough to get. I've been able to open my eyes to how truly miraculous the universe is, and how amazing it is to learn the truths behind how the universe began to how we theorize it is going to end.

I still wear the cross on my neck that I've had since birth, not out of faith. But as a permanent reminder of the narrow minded and slightly bigoted person I once was. I have never been a better human being as I've become after I turned my back on religion. I feel like I've made so much more progress in my life since leaving it behind and educating myself.

So yeah. Keep religion out of the classroom and keep it out of our science documentaries. You have every right to have blind faith that some omnipotent guy in a robe with a white beard that totally isn't Zeus ejaculated the universe into existence over six days. Just like we have every right to keep your nonsense out of our educational material and believe that the universe came into existence 13.8 billion years ago and continues to expand.

There is no "creationist theories". In a scientific context, "theory is the highest level of truth. Socalled "creationist theories" do not pass this test and can at best be call a "hypophysis".

The word is Hypothesis. The Hypophysis is another name for the pituitary gland, in the human body.

 

[Neta]

Which religion's version of creationism do they want to give airtime to?

I'd be interested in learning about ancient Egyptian, Greek and Norse creationism. How about those?

 

[LysanderNemoinis]

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I don't even know why you put that up, because you should know only the most open-minded of people frequent The Escapist and they'd never insult a person or a religion...unless they don't agree with it, then they're just as bigoted as the people they say they're against.

 

[HorrendusOne]

Then, we might as well give airtime to every single belief on the planet, even though certain of those beliefs don't believe that those other beliefs exist in the 1st place, since some civilizations are older than some said beliefs.

 

[Sniper Team 4]

When did evolution become fact? No, seriously, can someone tell me when? When I was still in school, all the way up through college, evolution was still referred to as a theory. Then is seemed like one day theory was dropped and evolution became fact. I'm curious when that happened, or was my city just slow to catch on?

Evolution is short hand for lot of things unfortunately. Strictly speaking evolution means "species change" and that is a fact. It is also short hand for natural selection, which is a mechanic of evolution (along with selective breeding) and that is theory (as is selective breeding).

Ah, thank you for clearing that up. I always thought it was a little strange, but I understand now.

 

[Raggedstar]

When did evolution become fact? No, seriously, can someone tell me when? When I was still in school, all the way up through college, evolution was still referred to as a theory. Then is seemed like one day theory was dropped and evolution became fact. I'm curious when that happened, or was my city just slow to catch on?

There is a difference between a theory and a scientific theory. A scientific theory is a well-constructed explanation of tests and observations (my wording may be a bit unclear, so perhaps someone else can do it better). Just because something is a scientific theory also doesn't mean people can take it as fact until something comes along to change everything (which has happened in history). Most scientists agree to some level that the idea of evolution and heredity is fact (though new discoveries that change how we see evolution works are still being made).

There's also a lot of other scientific theories people tend to hold as facts one way or another, such as cell theory (living organisms are made of cells, cells are the most basic unit of life, all cells reproduce from other cells) and atomic theory (all matter is made from atoms). Believe it or not, I've met people who think cells don't exist and microscopes are the way of Satan tricking us.

 

[Nooners]

Or, you know. All science that we see everywhere is true because God did it. Why is it so hard for these two views to coexist? God made the universe able to run on science. He made it with a firmly established set of rules for physics, biology, geology, etc, etc... Why is this so hard to understand?

 

[Shamanic Rhythm]

It seems to me that 'appeal to authority' has been replaced by 'appeal for balance' as the go-to tactic for avoiding the need to engage in actual arguments, evidence, rebuttal etc. Happens all the time with climate change.

 

[Shaidz]

When did evolution become fact? No, seriously, can someone tell me when? When I was still in school, all the way up through college, evolution was still referred to as a theory. Then is seemed like one day theory was dropped and evolution became fact. I'm curious when that happened, or was my city just slow to catch on?

I think you are confusing the term Scientific Theory with the general use of Theory.

"A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method, and repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation."

This is not to be confused the the general use of "Theory" which is used more like the word "Guess" which is "estimate or conclude (something) without sufficient information to be sure of being correct"

So as you see, a Scientific Theory is more or less considered Fact and not a guess.

 

[Billsey]

When did evolution become fact?

When atheistic thinkers decided they don't like where the evidence is really leading.

Kind of like an ostrich, really.

If you're open to views that Darwinists refuse to look into, you can read "Signature in the Cell" and "Darwin's Doubt". Both are well annotated and documented and written from a scientific point of view, using the same method of reasoning that Darwin used to advance his own theory.

And no, even in genuine science, a theory is not considered a proven fact. If it were, then scientists would not be calling it a theory.

 

[Shaidz]

Believe it or not, I've met people who think cells don't exist and microscopes are the way of Satan tricking us.

Really, like really? Sigh...

 

[Verkula]

Didn't they already wrote and shot all the footage for the whole thing, and only going through post-production on the last few epidosed at this point? I mean I think that's about how a shows production would go.

 

[Neta]

Or, you know. All science that we see everywhere is true because God did it. Why is it so hard for these two views to coexist? God made the universe able to run on science. He made it with a firmly established set of rules for physics, biology, geology, etc, etc... Why is this so hard to understand?

Which God? Why *that* God and not any of the hundreds of others?

More importantly, HOW did *that* particular God do all of those things?

 

[1337mokro]

This already contains an oxymoron. A creation scientist does not exist. A preacher, a doctor of philosophy, maybe but science concerns itself with the scientific method which creationism is not a part of. You see creationism has no explanative nor predictive power given that it is utter horse shit. Therefore it cannot be an actual theory nor be studied as a science because literally every question answered by that "theory" is "Gawd Did It With His Magic Powas!"

It's a science show. Not a random bullshit show, why not allow the geocentrists, the flat earthers and the Vikings on board as well to explain their different viewpoints. I would greatly enjoy hearing how all life started from a giants armpit.

Creationism is utter garbage and belongs in the same spot where we put geocentricism, in back water communities and religious institutions. You do not have a right to go on air and spout nonsense just because you are too dumb to understand the concept of a heliocentric solar system and you are also not allowed to spout nonsense about the origin of life just because nobody is there to slap you across the head with the theory that explains the origin of life.

It's quite simple here. Science is not fair because it's only concern is with accuracy and truth. There is no sharing of time with garbage along sides legitimate theories. Your bullshit doesn't fit either of those criteria then tough luck, try not thinking with your ass next time.

Homoeopaths don't get a special section on a show about medicine because homoeopath is bullshit and thus creationists get the same treatment when it comes to a science show.

 

[Neta]

When did evolution become fact?

When atheistic thinkers decided they don't like where the evidence is really leading.

Kind of like an ostrich, really.

If you're open to views that Darwinists refuse to look into, you can read "Signature in the Cell" and "Darwin's Doubt". Both are well annotated and documented and written from a scientific point of view, using the same method of reasoning that Darwin used to advance his own theory.

And no, even in genuine science, a theory is not considered a proven fact. If it were, then scientists would not be calling it a theory.

What the hell is a "Darwinist"?

Evolution is a very real, very well established FACT. The "theory" part of the "theory of evolution" is all about *HOW* evolution happens. There's absolutely no controversy that evolution does, in fact, really happen. The framework that describes the "how it happens" part of evolution is what "theory" part refers to.